Protests spread from coast to coast against California’s Proposition 8. Drew Levinson reports from the newest demonstration just last night at the Mormon temple in New York City.
In simple….I think it is wonderful someone who just wants to display love, hope, a dream for “me” and others who she feels is family , as well as friends. That speaks to my heart, to my life.
wtfwtf Said:November 14th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I know. This issue is just getting going and we’re going to need all the high profile support we can get.
slt ma devise a moi ,:l’âge , la distance , la couleur etc…. n’ont pas d’importance pour moi tu comprend , pour moi l’importance es la sérénité du coeur et la fidélité ainsi que la confiance dans un premier début de contact.
je me nomme FRANCK je suis un jeune homme agee de 33 ans gay actif et passif monter 25/5 a la recherche du reel avec homme serieux et sincere qui saura mle donner lamour dun dhomme.
Je suis beaucoup sentimental , affectueux , avec aussi les personnes que j aime . J’ai également beaucoup d amour a donner a lhomme que mon ceour aura choisir.
si jamais tu recherche la meme chose que moi alors ajoute moi a ton msn pour mieu en parler car : franck_amour@hotmail.fr
Je te signal que je suis très sérieux dans ma démarche et que j aimerais tavoir comme le bon homme, sérieux sincère et fidèle ,car je ne veut plus fidèle d échec encoPRESENTATION DE TEXEre dans ma vie.
cordialement
Rodney Moore Said:November 15th, 2008 at 11:35 am
“By their fruits, ye shall know them”
When those cute young Mormon missionaries come to our doors, bringing their Books of Mormon to give potential new converts they often quote this scripture from the Gospel of Mathew, 7:16 to be exact. Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be exact, love to show off their good works. Their prophet and founder Joseph Smith broke with the protestant tradition of “By faith alone”. He and Mormons believe that not only must you believe in Jesus Christ, the Book of Mormon and the ordinances (aka sacraments) of the church but also must do good among men. And this doing good among men, is what our Mormon friends, neighbors and acquaintances take seriously. Those Mormon missionaries with their white shirts and black pants bicycling around sharing the Gospel according to Joseph Smith, are the most public face of their church. They try to do good, they offer to volunteer, help elderly people go to and from the pharmacy, help people moving in and out, they hold doors open and they do all of this with a genuine smile on their face and a desire to do good. As they preach their newer, more complete and restored Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Joseph Smith, they have a tough time selling to people that Native Americans are lost tribes of Jews who fled just before the Babylonian Captivity and that Jesus Christ after his Crucifixion appeared resurrected to these same Native American Jews as Quezacoatl. So more often than not, Mormons fall back on this scripture in the Book of Mathew as a means of validating themselves to potential converts who are likely skeptical of Joseph Smith’s revelation.
The Mormon Church, very much like the Roman Catholic Church, recognizes that gay and lesbian people do not choose to be gay. Their current and former President (or Pope) has acknowledged scientific evidence that homosexuality is not and has never been a choice. But despite this the church still views homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and sex between same-sex couples as wrong. Far be it for me to tell Mormons what to believe, but here’s why this matters to the rest of us. While Mormons seek the full protection of the First Amendment’s protection of Freedom of Religion, due to their own history of persecution, they themselves don’t feel obliged to respect the freedoms of others, particularly the Freedom to Marry, which gay and lesbian Californians had prior to Proposition 8. The Mormon church didn’t simply preach their version of marriage in their own churches, chapels and temples, they used their church’s vast resources and deliberately meddled in the political affairs of California, breaking not only federal law, but violating the sanctity and dignity of marriages between same-sex couples. By doing this, the Mormon church spread a campaign of deliberate lies, telling the voters of California that Prop 8 was not about being anti-gay, but pro-family. Marriage equality never threatened traditional heterosexual marriage it only extended the current legal definition to include same-sex couples, in accordance with the equal protection clause of both the federal and Californian Constitutions. The Mormon church lied, bore false witness, used its funds in complete contradiction of federal law and even it’s own church doctrine. For gay and lesbian people, particularly married couples or couples on the verge of marriage, the Mormon fruit that is being born is not one of love and kindness but of hatred, intolerance and malevolent intervention in the private contractual affairs of people.
Mormons are wondering why there is so much venom, so much anger, so much hatred being shown to them. They need only look in the mirror, for those Mormons who didn’t support Prop 8 and haven’t ever harbored homophobia, they need to look at their church leadership. The Mormon church is getting the Lion’s Share of the attention, because they donated the Lion’s share of the Yes on Prop 8 money. “What thou sowest thou shalt also reap”, Mormons have no one but themselves to blame for the venom being shown their way, for they sowed the seed of intolerance, bigotry and hatred. Gay and lesbian people have justifiably grown tired of religious based attacks on themselves and their rights. And we’re judging Mormons by their fruits, and those fruits are bigotry, intolerance, malicious and slanderous lies. And as long as Mormons continue in their quest to force and legislate their beliefs on what marriage should be, gays and lesbians will be there to stop them.
Kurt Said:November 15th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Franck: celui n’est pas un site de rencontre - soyez plus attentif au contexte dans lequel vous postez vos demandes. Les dètails sur la taille de votre bite sont pas de tout appreciés ici.
And on an unrelated note… Whoopi’s ‘friends’ are gay? quelle surprise. Is it just me, or does her endorsement seem to be offered from the safety of the Hollywood closet? Just sayin’.
Thank god we got Gay Marriage passed in Canada through legitimate political process, despite the same divisive arguments from religious groups and conservatives at the time. Last I checked, our society hasn’t crumbled in the wake of the legislation, and if anything, has disappeared as an issue from our collective radar. I hope that one day soon, the USA will reach the same place. The new militancy of the LGBT community in the states is inspiring to see. It gives all of us living outside your borders hope for the future so compromised by the Bush administration.
We’re with you.
blacksteel Said:November 15th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Kurt, thanks for letting Franck know that the personal ad he posted here is not appropriate for this site. 365gay.com should take note.
Paul Said:November 17th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Thanks Rodney for your comments. I have had a lot of anger against the Mormon church lately. It really helped me to put it into perspective and to validate my feelings about the whole situations. We’ve just been going about our business, trying to live our lives, honestly, openly and equally. And then the mormons come along to fuck with us. Screw their damn book of lies! I am so tired of having to defend myself against these religious nuts with there fairy tales of miracles and damnation. Let’s keep their bible out of our constitution! Isn’t that what America is all about?
AlexH Said:November 18th, 2008 at 5:52 am
I love Whoopi! She has been an outspoken supporter for gay people LONG before it became chic. She’s truly one-of-a-kind.
And LOGO dropped the ball this past weekend. They should have been covering the Calif protests on the 15th, but I didn’t see them anywhere. Maybe I overlooked it or I haven’t tuned in at the right time, but every time I check out what’s on LOGO it seems to be shows like “Gimme Sugar” or “Noah’s Arc” or “Click List.”
Of course, those shows are wayyy more important than anything going on right now.
I would like to receive all info
about Gay and Lesbia activities.
Also about all things happening.
I am 85 years old, and have been Gay most of those years. It took me a while to realize I
loved women only. I was so disapointed when the proposition
failed.
Benjamin Clark Said:November 24th, 2008 at 5:56 am
The statement that the Mormon church made about being “singled” out is pure proof of their tactic to use their powerful influence to get their members to vote a certain way in order to get their agenda across and the play the victim card by stating that they were only using their constitutional right of free speech. When the GLBT people protest around their places of worship they call it a “mob” and use the old persecution complex to make it look as though they are being unfairly dealt with. They do it all the time in response to these issues. It’s pretty scary to say the least.
jason bourne Said:November 25th, 2008 at 1:38 am
Interesting that Obama got voted in and he made it very clear that he does NOT support gay marriage either.
Lonny - Ohio Said:December 13th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Maybe we should require all straights to pass a test before they can married. Look at all the mess up so-called God Fearing People.
When that happens os about the same time we have the rights all people in the USA is suppose to have.
Paul Boston Said:December 19th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Go, Whoopie!!! I would have voted for her over Obama.
In simple….I think it is wonderful someone who just wants to display love, hope, a dream for “me” and others who she feels is family , as well as friends. That speaks to my heart, to my life.
I know. This issue is just getting going and we’re going to need all the high profile support we can get.
slt ma devise a moi ,:l’âge , la distance , la couleur etc…. n’ont pas d’importance pour moi tu comprend , pour moi l’importance es la sérénité du coeur et la fidélité ainsi que la confiance dans un premier début de contact.
je me nomme FRANCK je suis un jeune homme agee de 33 ans gay actif et passif monter 25/5 a la recherche du reel avec homme serieux et sincere qui saura mle donner lamour dun dhomme.
Je suis beaucoup sentimental , affectueux , avec aussi les personnes que j aime . J’ai également beaucoup d amour a donner a lhomme que mon ceour aura choisir.
si jamais tu recherche la meme chose que moi alors ajoute moi a ton msn pour mieu en parler car : franck_amour@hotmail.fr
Je te signal que je suis très sérieux dans ma démarche et que j aimerais tavoir comme le bon homme, sérieux sincère et fidèle ,car je ne veut plus fidèle d échec encoPRESENTATION DE TEXEre dans ma vie.
cordialement
“By their fruits, ye shall know them”
When those cute young Mormon missionaries come to our doors, bringing their Books of Mormon to give potential new converts they often quote this scripture from the Gospel of Mathew, 7:16 to be exact. Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be exact, love to show off their good works. Their prophet and founder Joseph Smith broke with the protestant tradition of “By faith alone”. He and Mormons believe that not only must you believe in Jesus Christ, the Book of Mormon and the ordinances (aka sacraments) of the church but also must do good among men. And this doing good among men, is what our Mormon friends, neighbors and acquaintances take seriously. Those Mormon missionaries with their white shirts and black pants bicycling around sharing the Gospel according to Joseph Smith, are the most public face of their church. They try to do good, they offer to volunteer, help elderly people go to and from the pharmacy, help people moving in and out, they hold doors open and they do all of this with a genuine smile on their face and a desire to do good. As they preach their newer, more complete and restored Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Joseph Smith, they have a tough time selling to people that Native Americans are lost tribes of Jews who fled just before the Babylonian Captivity and that Jesus Christ after his Crucifixion appeared resurrected to these same Native American Jews as Quezacoatl. So more often than not, Mormons fall back on this scripture in the Book of Mathew as a means of validating themselves to potential converts who are likely skeptical of Joseph Smith’s revelation.
The Mormon Church, very much like the Roman Catholic Church, recognizes that gay and lesbian people do not choose to be gay. Their current and former President (or Pope) has acknowledged scientific evidence that homosexuality is not and has never been a choice. But despite this the church still views homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and sex between same-sex couples as wrong. Far be it for me to tell Mormons what to believe, but here’s why this matters to the rest of us. While Mormons seek the full protection of the First Amendment’s protection of Freedom of Religion, due to their own history of persecution, they themselves don’t feel obliged to respect the freedoms of others, particularly the Freedom to Marry, which gay and lesbian Californians had prior to Proposition 8. The Mormon church didn’t simply preach their version of marriage in their own churches, chapels and temples, they used their church’s vast resources and deliberately meddled in the political affairs of California, breaking not only federal law, but violating the sanctity and dignity of marriages between same-sex couples. By doing this, the Mormon church spread a campaign of deliberate lies, telling the voters of California that Prop 8 was not about being anti-gay, but pro-family. Marriage equality never threatened traditional heterosexual marriage it only extended the current legal definition to include same-sex couples, in accordance with the equal protection clause of both the federal and Californian Constitutions. The Mormon church lied, bore false witness, used its funds in complete contradiction of federal law and even it’s own church doctrine. For gay and lesbian people, particularly married couples or couples on the verge of marriage, the Mormon fruit that is being born is not one of love and kindness but of hatred, intolerance and malevolent intervention in the private contractual affairs of people.
Mormons are wondering why there is so much venom, so much anger, so much hatred being shown to them. They need only look in the mirror, for those Mormons who didn’t support Prop 8 and haven’t ever harbored homophobia, they need to look at their church leadership. The Mormon church is getting the Lion’s Share of the attention, because they donated the Lion’s share of the Yes on Prop 8 money. “What thou sowest thou shalt also reap”, Mormons have no one but themselves to blame for the venom being shown their way, for they sowed the seed of intolerance, bigotry and hatred. Gay and lesbian people have justifiably grown tired of religious based attacks on themselves and their rights. And we’re judging Mormons by their fruits, and those fruits are bigotry, intolerance, malicious and slanderous lies. And as long as Mormons continue in their quest to force and legislate their beliefs on what marriage should be, gays and lesbians will be there to stop them.
Franck: celui n’est pas un site de rencontre - soyez plus attentif au contexte dans lequel vous postez vos demandes. Les dètails sur la taille de votre bite sont pas de tout appreciés ici.
And on an unrelated note… Whoopi’s ‘friends’ are gay? quelle surprise. Is it just me, or does her endorsement seem to be offered from the safety of the Hollywood closet? Just sayin’.
Thank god we got Gay Marriage passed in Canada through legitimate political process, despite the same divisive arguments from religious groups and conservatives at the time. Last I checked, our society hasn’t crumbled in the wake of the legislation, and if anything, has disappeared as an issue from our collective radar. I hope that one day soon, the USA will reach the same place. The new militancy of the LGBT community in the states is inspiring to see. It gives all of us living outside your borders hope for the future so compromised by the Bush administration.
We’re with you.
Kurt, thanks for letting Franck know that the personal ad he posted here is not appropriate for this site. 365gay.com should take note.
Thanks Rodney for your comments. I have had a lot of anger against the Mormon church lately. It really helped me to put it into perspective and to validate my feelings about the whole situations. We’ve just been going about our business, trying to live our lives, honestly, openly and equally. And then the mormons come along to fuck with us. Screw their damn book of lies! I am so tired of having to defend myself against these religious nuts with there fairy tales of miracles and damnation. Let’s keep their bible out of our constitution! Isn’t that what America is all about?
I love Whoopi! She has been an outspoken supporter for gay people LONG before it became chic. She’s truly one-of-a-kind.
And LOGO dropped the ball this past weekend. They should have been covering the Calif protests on the 15th, but I didn’t see them anywhere. Maybe I overlooked it or I haven’t tuned in at the right time, but every time I check out what’s on LOGO it seems to be shows like “Gimme Sugar” or “Noah’s Arc” or “Click List.”
Of course, those shows are wayyy more important than anything going on right now.
I would like to receive all info
about Gay and Lesbia activities.
Also about all things happening.
I would like to receive all info
about Gay and Lesbia activities.
Also about all things happening.
I am 85 years old, and have been Gay most of those years. It took me a while to realize I
loved women only. I was so disapointed when the proposition
failed.
The statement that the Mormon church made about being “singled” out is pure proof of their tactic to use their powerful influence to get their members to vote a certain way in order to get their agenda across and the play the victim card by stating that they were only using their constitutional right of free speech. When the GLBT people protest around their places of worship they call it a “mob” and use the old persecution complex to make it look as though they are being unfairly dealt with. They do it all the time in response to these issues. It’s pretty scary to say the least.
Interesting that Obama got voted in and he made it very clear that he does NOT support gay marriage either.
Maybe we should require all straights to pass a test before they can married. Look at all the mess up so-called God Fearing People.
When that happens os about the same time we have the rights all people in the USA is suppose to have.
Go, Whoopie!!! I would have voted for her over Obama.