November 21st, 2009
 

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Vanasco: Clinton says that DADT is the fault of the gays

, editor in chief, 365gay.com

At the Netroots conference, activist and blogger Lane Hudson interrupted a speech by former President Bill Clinton to ask if he would call for a repeal, right then, of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act.

“I hated what happened,” Clinton said about DADT. “This policy should be changed.” But he said that gays and lesbians didn’t deliver the Congressional support his administration needed to allow gays and lesbians to openly serve. The compromise as first proposed, he said, would have allowed gays and lesbians to attend Pride Parades and political events without consequence.

As for DOMA, Clinton said it was necessary to head off the possibility of Congress passing a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage.

The video is at Good As You.

At HuffPo, Lane Hudson explains in his own words.

Here’s the transcript, via Pam’s House Blend (who got it from Rex Wockner):

Lane Hudson (screaming from the audience): Mr. President, will you call for a repeal of DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell right now? Please.

Bill Clinton: … You want to talk about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, I’ll tell you exactly what happened. You couldn’t deliver me any support in the Congress and they voted by a veto-proof majority in both houses against my attempt to let gays serve in the military, and the media supported them. They raised all kinds of devilment. And all most of you did was to attack me instead of getting me some support in the Congress. Now that’s the truth.

Secondly — it’s true! You know, you may have noticed that presidents aren’t dictators. They voted — they were about to vote for the old policy by margins exceeding 80 percent in the House and exceeding 70 percent in the Senate. The gave test votes out there to send me a message that they were going to reverse any attempt I made by executive order to force them to accept gays in the military. And let me remind you that the public opinion now is more strongly in our favor than it was 16 years ago, and I have continued supporting it. That John Shalikashvili, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under me, was against Don’t Ask — was against letting gays serve — is now in favor of it. This is a different world. That’s the point I’m trying to make.

Let me also say something that never got sufficient publicity at the time: When General Colin Powell came up with this Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, it was defined while he was chairman much differently than it was implemented. He said: ‘If you will accept this, here’s what we’ll do. We will not pursue anyone. Any military members out of uniform will be free to march in gay rights parades, go to gay bars, go to political meetings. Whatever mailings they get, whatever they do in their private lives, none of this will be a basis for dismissal.’ It all turned out to be a fraud because of the enormous reaction against it among the middle-level officers and down after it was promulgated and Colin was gone. So nobody regrets how this was implemented any more than I do. But the Congress also put that into law by a veto-proof majority, and many of your friends voted for that, believing the explanation about how it would be eliminated. So, I hated what happened. I regret it. But I didn’t have, I didn’t think at the time, any choice if I wanted any progress to be made at all. Look, I think it’s ridiculous. Can you believe they spent — whatever they spent — $150,000 to get rid of a valued Arabic speaker recently?

And, you know, the thing that changed me forever on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was when I learned that 130 gay service people were allowed to serve and risk their lives in the first Gulf War, and all their commanders knew they were gay; they let them go out there and risk their lives because they needed them, and then as soon as the first Gulf War was over, they kicked them out. That’s all I needed to know, that’s all anybody needs to know, to know that this policy should be changed.

Now, while we’re at it, let me just say one thing about DOMA, since you — the reason I signed DOMA was — and I said when I signed it — that I thought the question of whether gays should marry should be left up to states and to religious organizations, and if any church or other religious body wanted to recognize gay marriage, they ought to. We were attempting at the time, in a very reactionary Congress, to head off an attempt to send a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage to the states. And if you look at the 11 referenda much later — in 2004, in the election — which the Republicans put on the ballot to try to get the base vote for President Bush up, I think it’s obvious that something had to be done to try to keep the Republican Congress from presenting that. The President doesn’t even get to veto that. The Congress can refer constitutional amendments to the states. I didn’t like signing DOMA and I certainly didn’t like the constraints that were put on benefits, and I’ve done everything I could — and I am proud to say that the State Department was the first federal department to restore benefits to gay partners in the Obama administration, and I think we are going forward in the right direction now for federal employees. …

But, actually, all these things illustrate the point I’m trying to make. America has rapidly moved to a different place on a lot of these issues, and so what we have to decide is what we are going to do about it. Right now, the Republicans are sitting around rooting for the president to fail, as nearly as I can see.


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  • Albemar Said: August 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    • Excellent Points! I’m glad he explained it so clearly and he is absolutely right. I’m so sure the Republican party has changed, but others have. We are a long ways away, but we should be grateful for what he did accomplish.

  • Trace Eggers Said: August 14th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    • “he is working on a priority list that is much bigger than us”

      That is the biggest piece of crap that I’ve read all week. Obama is working on the things that he feels are important. To him, gays are not important. Please know it and understand it.

      As far as Clinton; is it really a surprise that he passes blame onto another? He’s never accepted personal responsibility for anything negative. It’s amazing how much that man loves himself.

  • Facebook User Said: August 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
    • You don’t think after Reading this column that is that the title is slightly inflamitory? I mean really is 365 just as bad as the regular news or are you that desparate to get readership too..

  • Lloyd Baltazar Said: August 14th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
    • The Blame is both on the Clinton and to gay people as well.

      Not that I’m siding with Bill Clinton, but it REALLY was the best compromise that could be done at the time. The Republicans were in head control of the congress at the time and soldiers and armed forces were being hunted for homosexual activity—-and so DADT was signed to compromise that. Granted it was not the best ultimate solution, but it served as a solution at the time.

      For people to argue that coming out and defending Clinton was unrealistic due to the hate that Gay people face at the time—-well the President is not a dictator. That’s why media support and enormous gay support was also needed at the time—which unfortunately was not thoroughly delivered.

      The point is that we should take this as a learning experience and learn from it. That way we can improve our society and achieve better equality for gays & lesbians in the future.

  • Thomas Said: August 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
    • I thought Clinton gave a very reasoned and detailed explanation about the context in which his Administration promoted DADT and DOMA. I agree with BC that the GOP Congress had to be thwarted, and that the times have been a-changin’. Clearly our fight is with the Congress, and I suggest it is one we may only win if the corrupt carpetbaggers are turned out over sabotaging health care reform. The Democrats are not our friends per se; only the progressive wing in that party cares about our issues, and votes correctly on LGBT issues.

  • tigergwm Said: August 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
    • Let’s say if we turned the table around. We banned all the religion activities on the military grounds. If you mention your religion under DADT, you are expelling immediately. Show us, is the correct way to expell??? We have the right to be whatever we believe. And we want to be proud gay in the military NOW and forever. Look up APA’s rule about the gay. They are bunch of NORMAL people not mental ill!!!!

  • Amarie Said: August 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    • Yes. Yes. Yes. He did place blame on the supporters of gays serving openly (gay and straight) when he said “YOU couldn’t deliver me any support in the Congress…”.

      But, it doesn’t really matter, does it? We’re not asking for excuses and reasons for the passage of DADT and DOMA in the ’90s. We’re asking (just as the person who posed the question asked) that Clinton openly call for the repeal of both NOW.

  • Randy LaBolle Said: August 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
    • I still think that he didn’t have to sign these laws…even if they had become law without his signature. This is Bill blaming us so that he can sleep at night. What a difference it would have made to have the President go before the nation and say…yes,these laws are likely to go into effect but I refuse to put my name on discrimination and hatred. It MIGHT have changed some votes and minds…but now he caved and he signed…..like the little bitch he is.

  • jarrokarris Said: August 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    • No. No. No.
      He did not say, as Vanasco states, that it was the LGBT’s fault; he’s saying it’s the fault of everyone who was for allowing gays in the military. Seriously, did she even read/listen to what Clinton said? Even if he tried an Executive Order, it would have been overridden by both houses. He tried and at least he got something through.

  • bama-stu Said: August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    • To all those who criticize Bill Clinton for DADT – back off! I was in the Air Force at the time and I remember how it felt to watch, and be included in, the witch hunts. When Clinton announced he would sign an executive order allowing lesbian and gays to serve openly he did so during the campaign which gave his opponents a long lead to craft their opposition. Congress promised an out-right ban, codifying into law the witch hunts, dis-honorable discharges and even jail-time that was the rule at the time. I remember the media-hysteria of Congressional hearings on board a submarine with the sailors in the racks (beds) talking to Congressmen. Believe it or not, DADT was a compromise and the best we could hope for at the time. Don’t get me wrong, the time is now right for repeal of DADT but at the time it was the best we could hope for. While I still had to hide who I was, some of the fear was gone.
      So, instead of criticizing Bill Clinton for something that happened, how about contacting your Senators and Representatives, and even the White House to push for repeal. And while you are at it, push for repeal of DOMA as well.

  • Mo Rage Said: August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    • This also points out why all of us need to plan and commit to being in Washington for the “March for Equality” this October.

      No excuses.

      Mo Rage
      The blog

  • michaelnDallas Said: August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    • let’s also learn from the past. While Obama is not racing to impliment our agenda, he is working on a priority list that is much bigger than us. We need to make sure we continue to support him and the Democratic Party and not let the Right Wingnuts, confused the public with their scare tactics. Their pathetic attempts to scare people away from Healthcare reform must be exposed for what they are. and they must be held accountable for their actions so that people learn to laugh at the scare tactics they’ve used against us and now use against healthcare. This country should not be run by people who rule by fear! We know better!

  • Mo Rage Said: August 14th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    • Come on, they should get more creative than this. “Blame the victim” is so old and tired.

      Unfortunately, sadly, frustratingly, it still, frequently works.

      Mo Rage
      The blog

  • mdw021 Said: August 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    • I have to agree that I think the Clintons have gotten a bad rap for DADT and DOMA. It was a different time and while these are heinous now, at the time they stopped what was going to be worse. Lets stop living in the past and keep our efforts focused on fixing these issues.

  • GayIthacan Said: August 14th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    • Ah Yes – I remember so vividly how the blacks in the 1950s and 1960s ‘delivered’ members of Congress in order to get the Civil Rights Bills passed.

      Because, after all, Congressmen truly listen to and follow the wishes of the minority members of the nation’s population.

      OK – sarcasm meter is off!!!!!!

 
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