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		<title>By: Xwzomzdz</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-55842</link>
		<dc:creator>Xwzomzdz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phil Weinstein</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-35499</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Weinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never pick a fight with a company that buys ink by the barrel.

But to sabotage the success and exposure of a film celebrating the powerful successes of our own movement -- to a LARGE cross section of the open-minded general public that we absolutely want to inspire -- at a time of readiness for dramatic paradigm shift on several national issues -- and in the shadow of CA Prop 8, pushing forefront the ideas of freedom of family -- you have GOT to be kidding!

Social progress is a social process.  It happens within the culture.  Sometimes, the courts make an assertion about the rights of a non-majority, and it takes the majority some time to get it.  Proposition 8 was a likely -- probably necessary -- step to advance the issue within real public discourse.  Same sex marriage IS coming -- it will take longer if we limit the public&#039;s access to the best advocacy media available.  MILK was handed to us.  It is done, and ready.  All we have to do is bolster publicity and success for the movie to maximize its impact.  We totally should.

Yeah, I know.  That $9999.  A corporation having an ultra-conservative CEO -- big deal.  We need to be absolute about absolute principles, e.g. freedom from violence, and non-violence.  The personal funding of speech in the context of a political campaign does not rise to that level.   And how much advocacy do you think we could deliver for $9999?  Forget about it.  The effort to produce MILK was massive ($12,000,000) -- and the result is excellent.  Cinemarks&#039; willingness to show Milk way more than makes up for Alan Stock&#039;s embarrassment to his employer.  Leave it alone.  Renounce the boycott of Milk shown at Cinemark theaters.  Do whatever you can to support the success and exposure of Milk at all theaters.

Phil Weinstein
Boulder, Colorado
http://www.WhyIsMaVieEnRoseRatedR.com/
http://www.PamRhodes-Colorado.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never pick a fight with a company that buys ink by the barrel.</p>
<p>But to sabotage the success and exposure of a film celebrating the powerful successes of our own movement &#8212; to a LARGE cross section of the open-minded general public that we absolutely want to inspire &#8212; at a time of readiness for dramatic paradigm shift on several national issues &#8212; and in the shadow of CA Prop 8, pushing forefront the ideas of freedom of family &#8212; you have GOT to be kidding!</p>
<p>Social progress is a social process.  It happens within the culture.  Sometimes, the courts make an assertion about the rights of a non-majority, and it takes the majority some time to get it.  Proposition 8 was a likely &#8212; probably necessary &#8212; step to advance the issue within real public discourse.  Same sex marriage IS coming &#8212; it will take longer if we limit the public&#8217;s access to the best advocacy media available.  MILK was handed to us.  It is done, and ready.  All we have to do is bolster publicity and success for the movie to maximize its impact.  We totally should.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know.  That $9999.  A corporation having an ultra-conservative CEO &#8212; big deal.  We need to be absolute about absolute principles, e.g. freedom from violence, and non-violence.  The personal funding of speech in the context of a political campaign does not rise to that level.   And how much advocacy do you think we could deliver for $9999?  Forget about it.  The effort to produce MILK was massive ($12,000,000) &#8212; and the result is excellent.  Cinemarks&#8217; willingness to show Milk way more than makes up for Alan Stock&#8217;s embarrassment to his employer.  Leave it alone.  Renounce the boycott of Milk shown at Cinemark theaters.  Do whatever you can to support the success and exposure of Milk at all theaters.</p>
<p>Phil Weinstein<br />
Boulder, Colorado<br />
<a href="http://www.WhyIsMaVieEnRoseRatedR.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.WhyIsMaVieEnRoseRatedR.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.PamRhodes-Colorado.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.PamRhodes-Colorado.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-33115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow TJ. Bob is suppose to quit his job? Are we all supposed to quit our jobs if we have to work with people that don&#039;t agree with us? Dang, and right before Christmas too.

Were do you work TJ? This great place where you don&#039;t have to work with people that have different beliefs than you. They hiring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow TJ. Bob is suppose to quit his job? Are we all supposed to quit our jobs if we have to work with people that don&#8217;t agree with us? Dang, and right before Christmas too.</p>
<p>Were do you work TJ? This great place where you don&#8217;t have to work with people that have different beliefs than you. They hiring?</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-33059</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob. Your press release highlights one reason why the gay community is not more politically successful -- not enough sacrifice or dignity. 

You failed to sacrifice a VP job for your own &quot;cherised&quot; California domestic partnership rights. You didn&#039;t have enough self-respect to tell Alan Stock you would refuse his job offer unless you got DP rights. No wonder he thinks it&#039;s OK to treat gay people with disrespect -- you let him treat you that way!

And so many gay people do that. Did everyone commenting on this article give money to fight Prop 8? Or volunteer time? How about the hundreds of thousands who marched these last few weeks?

Gay Americans &quot;pass&quot; as straight. And fail to speak up when they could. And don&#039;t even come out to family members. No sacrifice. No dignity.

Black Americans have faced dogs and firehoses, and gays are unwilling to turn down jobs from homophobic CEOs or insist on equal benefits.

Alan Stock is a poster boy for bigotry. You, Bob Shimmin, are a poster boy for timidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob. Your press release highlights one reason why the gay community is not more politically successful &#8212; not enough sacrifice or dignity. </p>
<p>You failed to sacrifice a VP job for your own &#8220;cherised&#8221; California domestic partnership rights. You didn&#8217;t have enough self-respect to tell Alan Stock you would refuse his job offer unless you got DP rights. No wonder he thinks it&#8217;s OK to treat gay people with disrespect &#8212; you let him treat you that way!</p>
<p>And so many gay people do that. Did everyone commenting on this article give money to fight Prop 8? Or volunteer time? How about the hundreds of thousands who marched these last few weeks?</p>
<p>Gay Americans &#8220;pass&#8221; as straight. And fail to speak up when they could. And don&#8217;t even come out to family members. No sacrifice. No dignity.</p>
<p>Black Americans have faced dogs and firehoses, and gays are unwilling to turn down jobs from homophobic CEOs or insist on equal benefits.</p>
<p>Alan Stock is a poster boy for bigotry. You, Bob Shimmin, are a poster boy for timidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-33039</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, Trace, I just spit up my diet coke.
LMAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, Trace, I just spit up my diet coke.<br />
LMAO!</p>
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		<title>By: Trace</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-33010</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, that does sound like HRC.

Hold On, I think I&#039;m missing another HRC Dinner/fundraiser/butt wiping conference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, that does sound like HRC.</p>
<p>Hold On, I think I&#8217;m missing another HRC Dinner/fundraiser/butt wiping conference!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-33003</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you are just interested in money too, Aiden Raccoonr, you must work for HRC. LOL

&quot;I think it is important for the Cinemark Theater company to make a strong donation for the Invalidation of prop 8. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you are just interested in money too, Aiden Raccoonr, you must work for HRC. LOL</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it is important for the Cinemark Theater company to make a strong donation for the Invalidation of prop 8. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden Raccoonr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aiden Raccoonr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many theaters that showed Brokeback Mountain.  If it wasn&#039;t played somewhere then it was because of localized theaters who wouldn&#039;t play it and that was a rare case.  Cinemark is there to make money and just because the subject of a movie is gay will still draw an audience.  It doesn&#039;t show how LGBT friendly they are, it shows how money friendly they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many theaters that showed Brokeback Mountain.  If it wasn&#8217;t played somewhere then it was because of localized theaters who wouldn&#8217;t play it and that was a rare case.  Cinemark is there to make money and just because the subject of a movie is gay will still draw an audience.  It doesn&#8217;t show how LGBT friendly they are, it shows how money friendly they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden Raccoon</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/shimmin-is-boycotting-cinemark-a-step-toward-equality/comment-page-12/#comment-32992</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiden Raccoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, Bob Shimmin, the battle for equality can be won with blacklisting and boycotting.  You sure took notice didn&#039;t you.  If you are going to put down a company name on an official document then you are a representative of that company.  I guarantee you that if my company that I am a low level employee for got boycotted or blacklisted because of me, I would be fired in a heartbeat.  When you are the CEO of a company, everything you do, even in your personal life, reflect on the company.  Should he be fired?  Maybe not, but if Cinemark is worried about public relations then I think it is important for the Cinemark Theater company to make a strong donation for the Invalidation of prop 8. and the CEO should personally apologize for helping to ruin so many families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, Bob Shimmin, the battle for equality can be won with blacklisting and boycotting.  You sure took notice didn&#8217;t you.  If you are going to put down a company name on an official document then you are a representative of that company.  I guarantee you that if my company that I am a low level employee for got boycotted or blacklisted because of me, I would be fired in a heartbeat.  When you are the CEO of a company, everything you do, even in your personal life, reflect on the company.  Should he be fired?  Maybe not, but if Cinemark is worried about public relations then I think it is important for the Cinemark Theater company to make a strong donation for the Invalidation of prop 8. and the CEO should personally apologize for helping to ruin so many families.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as companies go they look more friendly than most. IMO. I don&#039;t get it.

How will hurting this company help us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as companies go they look more friendly than most. IMO. I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>How will hurting this company help us?</p>
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