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		<title>By: ontheedge</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-97877</link>
		<dc:creator>ontheedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in God and that there is a God. For all that believe in god they need to do their thing. For all who dont believe then they need to do their thing to. Thats what America is all about. Freedoms, If gays dont like to be told they cant do their thing dont you think that Christians dont like to be told not to do teir thing either? We shall all live and die by our choices. Every group out in America and the world are trying to convert people to their cause. If you dont like that cause then simply dont listen to it. IS THAT SO HARD. 
 I believe if everyone spent less effort on fighting each other and more time on just living life we all would be better off!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in God and that there is a God. For all that believe in god they need to do their thing. For all who dont believe then they need to do their thing to. Thats what America is all about. Freedoms, If gays dont like to be told they cant do their thing dont you think that Christians dont like to be told not to do teir thing either? We shall all live and die by our choices. Every group out in America and the world are trying to convert people to their cause. If you dont like that cause then simply dont listen to it. IS THAT SO HARD.<br />
 I believe if everyone spent less effort on fighting each other and more time on just living life we all would be better off!!!</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70251</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that Exodus speak with my ex-husband.  He now belongs to a straight partner network and is furious that society &quot;forces&quot; gay and lesbian persons to enter into straight relationships.  He believes that gays and lesbians are being deceitful when they enter into a heterosexual marriage.  He even considered suing me for deceiving him in marriage. 

(Yes, I would have left him even if I were straight, but that&#039;s another story.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that Exodus speak with my ex-husband.  He now belongs to a straight partner network and is furious that society &#8220;forces&#8221; gay and lesbian persons to enter into straight relationships.  He believes that gays and lesbians are being deceitful when they enter into a heterosexual marriage.  He even considered suing me for deceiving him in marriage. </p>
<p>(Yes, I would have left him even if I were straight, but that&#8217;s another story.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sarrellec</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70247</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarrellec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will save you from our beating you with sticks.
A society creates a horrible existence for a specific type of its citizens and then claims that it will SAVE those citizens from society&#039;s abuse because society&#039;s abuse obviously makes them unhappy.
Howzabout we stop the abuse instead?
Then there won&#039;t be any need to be led away from it.
If gaw-wad&#039;s &quot;better way&quot; is to join up with the abusers, then they can keep it.  I LIKE not being abusive toward my fellow citizens.
I have way more important things to do than to intrude into other peoples&#039; lives.
Unfortunately, these people obviously do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will save you from our beating you with sticks.<br />
A society creates a horrible existence for a specific type of its citizens and then claims that it will SAVE those citizens from society&#8217;s abuse because society&#8217;s abuse obviously makes them unhappy.<br />
Howzabout we stop the abuse instead?<br />
Then there won&#8217;t be any need to be led away from it.<br />
If gaw-wad&#8217;s &#8220;better way&#8221; is to join up with the abusers, then they can keep it.  I LIKE not being abusive toward my fellow citizens.<br />
I have way more important things to do than to intrude into other peoples&#8217; lives.<br />
Unfortunately, these people obviously do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70243</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These people are feaks!&quot; quote from Will and Grace&#039;s Jack (I don&#039;t know how to spell his last name). As a community, we need to protect LGBT youth from these sickos. I hope those in 365, agree with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These people are feaks!&#8221; quote from Will and Grace&#8217;s Jack (I don&#8217;t know how to spell his last name). As a community, we need to protect LGBT youth from these sickos. I hope those in 365, agree with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacquemar</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70215</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacquemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there ANY reliable data on their &quot;conversion&quot; rates?  Any reliable way of calculating how many men and women have been through their therapy and are living a heterosexual life?  No!

It seems to me that the only people really threatened by this &quot;Ex-Gay&quot; movement are people gullible enough to believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there ANY reliable data on their &#8220;conversion&#8221; rates?  Any reliable way of calculating how many men and women have been through their therapy and are living a heterosexual life?  No!</p>
<p>It seems to me that the only people really threatened by this &#8220;Ex-Gay&#8221; movement are people gullible enough to believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70210</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelson, 
I whole-heartedly agree with you. Now don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m Christian myself and do believe in God. But to me, the bible is nothing more than a story book, a fairy tale, because...

In the beginning God created Adam and Eve, two and ONLY two people, to populate all of planet earth, and they say incest is as sinful as homosexuality. In the old testament, God is a jealous, wrathful God, in the new testament, he is a kind and merciful God, guess having a kid really mellowed him out huh? 

The bible was not written by God, but interpreted over and over and over again by man. For all we as humans know, the bible could&#039;ve been written by a bunch of drunks sitting around a fire seeing who could tell the craziest story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelson,<br />
I whole-heartedly agree with you. Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m Christian myself and do believe in God. But to me, the bible is nothing more than a story book, a fairy tale, because&#8230;</p>
<p>In the beginning God created Adam and Eve, two and ONLY two people, to populate all of planet earth, and they say incest is as sinful as homosexuality. In the old testament, God is a jealous, wrathful God, in the new testament, he is a kind and merciful God, guess having a kid really mellowed him out huh? </p>
<p>The bible was not written by God, but interpreted over and over and over again by man. For all we as humans know, the bible could&#8217;ve been written by a bunch of drunks sitting around a fire seeing who could tell the craziest story!</p>
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		<title>By: OhPlease</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhPlease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please. Religion is a joke, god in the sky, oh please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please. Religion is a joke, god in the sky, oh please</p>
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		<title>By: bobco85</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70197</link>
		<dc:creator>bobco85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, we should all know that the American Psychological Association does not list homosexuality as any sort of mental illness. Then why should it be &quot;cured&quot;?

As far as the &quot;conversion rate&quot; goes, there was no scientific testing done and therefore the Masters and Johnson data is useless. I would like to see the full statistics (data from all &quot;gay camps&quot;) that show their actual rates of conversion, as determined by an unbiased expert.

There is no good data. Heck, what they&#039;re trying to &quot;cure&quot; isn&#039;t even an illness. And do you want to know what that means? They&#039;re PSEUDOSCIENCE!

I give the ex-gay movement as much thought as I do other pseudoscientific things such as reflexology (it&#039;s JUST a massage), biodynamic wine (magical farming?), and homeopathy (biggest source of anti-science since religion). Note: look up these other things to see what they really are.

Lastly, I think we need to protect our children from such nonsense as this. Teach them the truth, reality, how things REALLY are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, we should all know that the American Psychological Association does not list homosexuality as any sort of mental illness. Then why should it be &#8220;cured&#8221;?</p>
<p>As far as the &#8220;conversion rate&#8221; goes, there was no scientific testing done and therefore the Masters and Johnson data is useless. I would like to see the full statistics (data from all &#8220;gay camps&#8221;) that show their actual rates of conversion, as determined by an unbiased expert.</p>
<p>There is no good data. Heck, what they&#8217;re trying to &#8220;cure&#8221; isn&#8217;t even an illness. And do you want to know what that means? They&#8217;re PSEUDOSCIENCE!</p>
<p>I give the ex-gay movement as much thought as I do other pseudoscientific things such as reflexology (it&#8217;s JUST a massage), biodynamic wine (magical farming?), and homeopathy (biggest source of anti-science since religion). Note: look up these other things to see what they really are.</p>
<p>Lastly, I think we need to protect our children from such nonsense as this. Teach them the truth, reality, how things REALLY are.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-the-dangerous-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-70195</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about an Ex-Christian/Islam organization?  The only requirement would be a brain that thinks on its own and is not subject to indoctrination or fear of or belief in mythology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about an Ex-Christian/Islam organization?  The only requirement would be a brain that thinks on its own and is not subject to indoctrination or fear of or belief in mythology.</p>
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		<title>By: gayjim0726</title>
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		<dc:creator>gayjim0726</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really need to fight back with large bold lettering. This crap with leviticus and gays. How about eating shellfish, sleeping in the same bed as ones wife while she is menstrating, wearing cloth made of two fabrics. All abominations. I&#039;d like to hear one hypochristian explain their way out of that one. Then lets look at the cultural aspect. Things and people change with the times. Back then you had to breed, breed, breed. Scientificly it may not be proven without a doubt. But there is some serious leaning towards being gay is biological. This constant intrusion upon our rights to exist. Using the excuse we are trampling on their rights. The far right are like dry drunks and/or sociopaths who blame everyone for what they feel, fear, really love inside and ourwardly hate. Living in hypocrisy. Everyone else to the religous far right is damned. Yes bring this one up to your loved ones who are not of the far right nut job minority. The far right (pick a religion) would be happy as pigs in shit if we all just poofed away. On the other hand the most of the middle of the road and center left are quite content to live and let live. Which in some ways makes us lazy because we really don&#039;t give a rats ass about the far right and just want to live our lives quietly. If we continue to live our lives quietly. If we do not take a stand and make that far right explain and prove thier statemets with facts. Real facts and not propoganda or ancient fairy tales. Make them see that all the crapola they have been spewing in nothing but lies and get this out for the rest of humanity to see. If we don&#039;t take a stand, expose their lies, hate, fear, and dysfunction. We may just lose. And we will have no one to blame but ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really need to fight back with large bold lettering. This crap with leviticus and gays. How about eating shellfish, sleeping in the same bed as ones wife while she is menstrating, wearing cloth made of two fabrics. All abominations. I&#8217;d like to hear one hypochristian explain their way out of that one. Then lets look at the cultural aspect. Things and people change with the times. Back then you had to breed, breed, breed. Scientificly it may not be proven without a doubt. But there is some serious leaning towards being gay is biological. This constant intrusion upon our rights to exist. Using the excuse we are trampling on their rights. The far right are like dry drunks and/or sociopaths who blame everyone for what they feel, fear, really love inside and ourwardly hate. Living in hypocrisy. Everyone else to the religous far right is damned. Yes bring this one up to your loved ones who are not of the far right nut job minority. The far right (pick a religion) would be happy as pigs in shit if we all just poofed away. On the other hand the most of the middle of the road and center left are quite content to live and let live. Which in some ways makes us lazy because we really don&#8217;t give a rats ass about the far right and just want to live our lives quietly. If we continue to live our lives quietly. If we do not take a stand and make that far right explain and prove thier statemets with facts. Real facts and not propoganda or ancient fairy tales. Make them see that all the crapola they have been spewing in nothing but lies and get this out for the rest of humanity to see. If we don&#8217;t take a stand, expose their lies, hate, fear, and dysfunction. We may just lose. And we will have no one to blame but ourselves.</p>
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