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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-3/#comment-38216</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Smith I think you&#039;re pretty spot on and enjoyed your post. 

Lets seek to understand here, not accept but understand. Regardless of how ridiculous this seems it&#039;s f&#039;ing politics. Guess what he&#039;s working on next term already! For him to get that disagreeable right wing vote he is sticking out an olive branch and will again, really it&#039;s pretty smart. 

At the end of the day it&#039;s what he accomplishes for our community not who had 10 mins of air time at an event. And we need to focus on our rightful goals.

Stay focused, understand the landscape and pounce where appropriate, this is frankly meaningless to our objectives of equality and if we walk the insult to injury path we will not move forward, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Smith I think you&#8217;re pretty spot on and enjoyed your post. </p>
<p>Lets seek to understand here, not accept but understand. Regardless of how ridiculous this seems it&#8217;s f&#8217;ing politics. Guess what he&#8217;s working on next term already! For him to get that disagreeable right wing vote he is sticking out an olive branch and will again, really it&#8217;s pretty smart. </p>
<p>At the end of the day it&#8217;s what he accomplishes for our community not who had 10 mins of air time at an event. And we need to focus on our rightful goals.</p>
<p>Stay focused, understand the landscape and pounce where appropriate, this is frankly meaningless to our objectives of equality and if we walk the insult to injury path we will not move forward, period.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-3/#comment-37943</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly and Isaac are hitting the nail on the head about exactly why this is so wrong.

This has really changed my view of Obama. When I see his face up on the t.v. I feel disgusted. I can&#039;t look at him with any respect now. He&#039;s worse than Warren because even though Warren has his anti-gay views Obama can&#039;t even see how it is so wrong to do this!

He might fix some issues in this country, great. But I won&#039;t look at him as a respectable president for it, just as someone who did his job as they were suppose to do and then NEXT.

Considering his message during his campaign but change and hope - yeah right. Frak you Obama!


Rev Lowery also does not support gay marriage, seems like a lot of people don&#039;t know about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly and Isaac are hitting the nail on the head about exactly why this is so wrong.</p>
<p>This has really changed my view of Obama. When I see his face up on the t.v. I feel disgusted. I can&#8217;t look at him with any respect now. He&#8217;s worse than Warren because even though Warren has his anti-gay views Obama can&#8217;t even see how it is so wrong to do this!</p>
<p>He might fix some issues in this country, great. But I won&#8217;t look at him as a respectable president for it, just as someone who did his job as they were suppose to do and then NEXT.</p>
<p>Considering his message during his campaign but change and hope &#8211; yeah right. Frak you Obama!</p>
<p>Rev Lowery also does not support gay marriage, seems like a lot of people don&#8217;t know about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Frankly</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-3/#comment-37941</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry people, but some of you are failing to understand.

Picking Warren by Obama is saying that it is okay to have a difference of opinion when it comes to gays.

Hating a group is okay because it is a difference of opinion.

Hating us is okay as part of a normal discourse.

Hating us is an intellectual exercise between people of differing views.

IT IS NOT OKAY TO HATE US. IT IS NOT OKAY TO BE HOMOPREJUDICE .***See at the end.

No other group would allow that kind of representation or symbol about themselves. But we are supposed to be the good fairies and dykes that just fix their hair and make their clothes and shut up.

NO. I WON&#039;T GO QUIETLY.

***Let&#039;s stop saying Homophobia. It is a ridiculous term. It means afraid of homos. They are hombigots or homoprejudice but they are not afraid of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry people, but some of you are failing to understand.</p>
<p>Picking Warren by Obama is saying that it is okay to have a difference of opinion when it comes to gays.</p>
<p>Hating a group is okay because it is a difference of opinion.</p>
<p>Hating us is okay as part of a normal discourse.</p>
<p>Hating us is an intellectual exercise between people of differing views.</p>
<p>IT IS NOT OKAY TO HATE US. IT IS NOT OKAY TO BE HOMOPREJUDICE .***See at the end.</p>
<p>No other group would allow that kind of representation or symbol about themselves. But we are supposed to be the good fairies and dykes that just fix their hair and make their clothes and shut up.</p>
<p>NO. I WON&#8217;T GO QUIETLY.</p>
<p>***Let&#8217;s stop saying Homophobia. It is a ridiculous term. It means afraid of homos. They are hombigots or homoprejudice but they are not afraid of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Rosenqvist</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-37940</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Rosenqvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the US can get rid of that 2-party democracy. We&#039;re getting some tendencies towards that here in Sweden. It can&#039;t be good for the diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the US can get rid of that 2-party democracy. We&#8217;re getting some tendencies towards that here in Sweden. It can&#8217;t be good for the diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: ozzy</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-37938</link>
		<dc:creator>ozzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PROP H8 SUPPORTER PLANNING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-source-ExeBay-CEO-to-run-apf-13973268.html

Heads up, Meg Whitman, ex CEO of ebay, a republican and prop h8 supporter wants to be governor. We need to organize and protest her where ever she goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PROP H8 SUPPORTER PLANNING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA.</p>
<p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-source-ExeBay-CEO-to-run-apf-13973268.html" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-source-ExeBay-CEO-to-run-apf-13973268.html</a></p>
<p>Heads up, Meg Whitman, ex CEO of ebay, a republican and prop h8 supporter wants to be governor. We need to organize and protest her where ever she goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Consider what difference it would make if Warren gave the invocation and we still received every commitment made by Obama (no loss to us).&quot;

You just don&#039;t get it, do you.  Yes, it will make a difference if Obama keeps his promises.  No doubt.  But it will come on the heels of an almighty slap in the face for all of us.

By selecting Warren to deliver the invocation, Obama is, in effect, endorsing the man, giving him and his views credibility.  He is saying that it doesn&#039;t matter that Warren is a homophobe, that he spreads the message of hatred, because he says some nice things too.

My God, when are people going to get it.  Obama is telling the world that being homophobic does not make you a bad person.  He is saying that it&#039;s ok to hate gays.  He is rewarding this man for a lifetime of hatred and cruelty because amidst his bigotry he happens to also have a few nice things to say and has done some charity work.

I sincerely doubt that Obama will do anything significant for the gay community, but even if he does it will come after he&#039;s sent a message to everyone in the United States that it&#039;s ok to hate gays, that there&#039;s nothing wrong with homophobia.  By appointing Warren to deliver the invocation he is making hatred socially acceptable, and for that he can never be forgiven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Consider what difference it would make if Warren gave the invocation and we still received every commitment made by Obama (no loss to us).&#8221;</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t get it, do you.  Yes, it will make a difference if Obama keeps his promises.  No doubt.  But it will come on the heels of an almighty slap in the face for all of us.</p>
<p>By selecting Warren to deliver the invocation, Obama is, in effect, endorsing the man, giving him and his views credibility.  He is saying that it doesn&#8217;t matter that Warren is a homophobe, that he spreads the message of hatred, because he says some nice things too.</p>
<p>My God, when are people going to get it.  Obama is telling the world that being homophobic does not make you a bad person.  He is saying that it&#8217;s ok to hate gays.  He is rewarding this man for a lifetime of hatred and cruelty because amidst his bigotry he happens to also have a few nice things to say and has done some charity work.</p>
<p>I sincerely doubt that Obama will do anything significant for the gay community, but even if he does it will come after he&#8217;s sent a message to everyone in the United States that it&#8217;s ok to hate gays, that there&#8217;s nothing wrong with homophobia.  By appointing Warren to deliver the invocation he is making hatred socially acceptable, and for that he can never be forgiven.</p>
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		<title>By: TANK</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-37935</link>
		<dc:creator>TANK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take heart, kids.  The republican party is crumbling (moderate republicans are flocking to the democrats, libertarians, and just becoming independents...it&#039;s becoming the palin party), and that means we&#039;ve got options.  Deserving third party candidates are going to sweep in and pick up the slack, and that is leverage.  If obama and the democratic congress don&#039;t an inclusive ENDA passed, or the repeal of DADT, or a federal hate crimes bill passed...or, specifically what he promised, the repeal of DOMA so we can start taking advantage of the full faith and credit clause, we&#039;ve got options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take heart, kids.  The republican party is crumbling (moderate republicans are flocking to the democrats, libertarians, and just becoming independents&#8230;it&#8217;s becoming the palin party), and that means we&#8217;ve got options.  Deserving third party candidates are going to sweep in and pick up the slack, and that is leverage.  If obama and the democratic congress don&#8217;t an inclusive ENDA passed, or the repeal of DADT, or a federal hate crimes bill passed&#8230;or, specifically what he promised, the repeal of DOMA so we can start taking advantage of the full faith and credit clause, we&#8217;ve got options.</p>
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		<title>By: GrrrlRomeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrrrlRomeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know whether or not Obama is backtracking on gay rights. The issue is Warren&#039;s words and beliefs are harmful to gay people. What he promotes is that gay people are inferior to straight people. He&#039;s made that very clear.

By Obama inviting him to participate in the Inauguration, it sends the message that it&#039;s socially acceptable to say and believe those things. When Rev Wright said what he said, Obama had to practically repudiate him. But Warren&#039;s words are okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know whether or not Obama is backtracking on gay rights. The issue is Warren&#8217;s words and beliefs are harmful to gay people. What he promotes is that gay people are inferior to straight people. He&#8217;s made that very clear.</p>
<p>By Obama inviting him to participate in the Inauguration, it sends the message that it&#8217;s socially acceptable to say and believe those things. When Rev Wright said what he said, Obama had to practically repudiate him. But Warren&#8217;s words are okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-pastorgate-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-37925</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The recent changes to this web page are encouraging:

http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda

Although parts of the page are vague (&quot;Barack Obama agrees...&quot; &quot;Barack Obama believes...&quot;), it seems clear that Obama and Biden will pass employment nondiscrimination and the Matthew Shepard Act. We must not become complacent, but I think we can be encouraged.

A quick note - according to Queerty.com, the Obama team made these changes before Warren was selected. So, this wasn&#039;t a response to the outcry over Warren.

Well said, Richard Smith! This is not the battle to pick. The real battles come later, and perhaps Obama will fight on the side of fairness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent changes to this web page are encouraging:</p>
<p><a href="http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda" rel="nofollow">http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda</a></p>
<p>Although parts of the page are vague (&#8221;Barack Obama agrees&#8230;&#8221; &#8220;Barack Obama believes&#8230;&#8221;), it seems clear that Obama and Biden will pass employment nondiscrimination and the Matthew Shepard Act. We must not become complacent, but I think we can be encouraged.</p>
<p>A quick note &#8211; according to Queerty.com, the Obama team made these changes before Warren was selected. So, this wasn&#8217;t a response to the outcry over Warren.</p>
<p>Well said, Richard Smith! This is not the battle to pick. The real battles come later, and perhaps Obama will fight on the side of fairness.</p>
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		<title>By: richard smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the only gay person who plans to not only watch the historic inauguration with joy and happiness but also hit the mute button when rev. warren speaks? Give me a break - this is not the battle to pick. that would be if the president elect does not keep his promises to our community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the only gay person who plans to not only watch the historic inauguration with joy and happiness but also hit the mute button when rev. warren speaks? Give me a break &#8211; this is not the battle to pick. that would be if the president elect does not keep his promises to our community!</p>
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