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	<title>Comments on: Neff: Outing church clergy is wrong</title>
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		<title>By: contragenic</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-84641</link>
		<dc:creator>contragenic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link for churchouting.org seems to be useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link for churchouting.org seems to be useless.</p>
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		<title>By: contragenic</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-84640</link>
		<dc:creator>contragenic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outing a person is never wrong,honesty has been a surface only value for far too long in our society.If there were no closets this would be a better world for everyone,no sympathy for the savior afflicted goons of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outing a person is never wrong,honesty has been a surface only value for far too long in our society.If there were no closets this would be a better world for everyone,no sympathy for the savior afflicted goons of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-5/#comment-81300</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fewer priests, less money, less influence.

And by outing the priests, we will put them between a rock and a hard place, so to speak.

And there are plenty of Good priests, including gay priests.  This will give them impetus - their jobs at stake - to unionize in a sense and demand  a change.

And it will cut further the supply of new gay priests.  The priesthood has in many ways been a haven for gay people, giving them both a job, and a &quot;family&quot;.

But by continuing to work for the Bishops and the Pope - the place where the problem is - they are selling their soul.  And I&#039;m sorry, that doesn&#039;t fly.

And prob when some number of priests come out,  more and more catholics - many of whom are much more progressive then the church is regressive, will come to understand the injustice of the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fewer priests, less money, less influence.</p>
<p>And by outing the priests, we will put them between a rock and a hard place, so to speak.</p>
<p>And there are plenty of Good priests, including gay priests.  This will give them impetus &#8211; their jobs at stake &#8211; to unionize in a sense and demand  a change.</p>
<p>And it will cut further the supply of new gay priests.  The priesthood has in many ways been a haven for gay people, giving them both a job, and a &#8220;family&#8221;.</p>
<p>But by continuing to work for the Bishops and the Pope &#8211; the place where the problem is &#8211; they are selling their soul.  And I&#8217;m sorry, that doesn&#8217;t fly.</p>
<p>And prob when some number of priests come out,  more and more catholics &#8211; many of whom are much more progressive then the church is regressive, will come to understand the injustice of the church.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1040728214">James M. Martin</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78480</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1040728214">James M. Martin</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the main reason the Roman Church is against gays is that many are non-procreative.  Without babies, no little Catholics.  All religions indoctrinate at ages we would be horrified to see exposed to any political dogma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the main reason the Roman Church is against gays is that many are non-procreative.  Without babies, no little Catholics.  All religions indoctrinate at ages we would be horrified to see exposed to any political dogma.</p>
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		<title>By: jessieka</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78371</link>
		<dc:creator>jessieka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That says something bout the church &amp; there followers out the gay men but the pedophile no need to report them....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That says something bout the church &amp; there followers out the gay men but the pedophile no need to report them&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne M.</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78222</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my belief as a Christian that outing people is usually wrong.  However, there are exceptions and times when outing is essential to protect the innocent.

Let us consider the position taken by the Roman Catholic Church.  They believe the state and the church has a right to intervene in the private choices and decisions of Gay men and Lesbians to enter into a marriage relationship.  Many also believe the state has a moral right and responsibility to use the &quot;coercive power of the state&quot; to ban behaviour which THEY believe is wrong.

This is the same church responsible for priests engaging in the sexual abuse of children and youth-- and then covering up these incidents of abuse.  

This is the same church responsible for emotional, cultural, physical and sexual abuse of children and youth in First Nations (Indian) residential schools operated by the church-- and now many in the church hierarchy do not feel they need to pay anything toward repairing the damage done to people&#039;s lives.

The Roman Catholic Church, many other fundamentalist religious groups, and many leaders in these churches as well as their representatives in government have engaged in lying and dishonesty to spread fear and anger against LGBT people-- yet many of them also engage in sexual misconduct, often hurtful to others.  Furthermore, the Roman Catholic church makes threats to deny sacraments and services to Roman Catholic legislators unless they vote in accord to church teachings-- and is it not a crime to procure the vote of a legislator through threats or promises?

The time has come to out those whose behaviour is so hypocritical.  Protect the innocent and protect truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my belief as a Christian that outing people is usually wrong.  However, there are exceptions and times when outing is essential to protect the innocent.</p>
<p>Let us consider the position taken by the Roman Catholic Church.  They believe the state and the church has a right to intervene in the private choices and decisions of Gay men and Lesbians to enter into a marriage relationship.  Many also believe the state has a moral right and responsibility to use the &#8220;coercive power of the state&#8221; to ban behaviour which THEY believe is wrong.</p>
<p>This is the same church responsible for priests engaging in the sexual abuse of children and youth&#8211; and then covering up these incidents of abuse.  </p>
<p>This is the same church responsible for emotional, cultural, physical and sexual abuse of children and youth in First Nations (Indian) residential schools operated by the church&#8211; and now many in the church hierarchy do not feel they need to pay anything toward repairing the damage done to people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>The Roman Catholic Church, many other fundamentalist religious groups, and many leaders in these churches as well as their representatives in government have engaged in lying and dishonesty to spread fear and anger against LGBT people&#8211; yet many of them also engage in sexual misconduct, often hurtful to others.  Furthermore, the Roman Catholic church makes threats to deny sacraments and services to Roman Catholic legislators unless they vote in accord to church teachings&#8211; and is it not a crime to procure the vote of a legislator through threats or promises?</p>
<p>The time has come to out those whose behaviour is so hypocritical.  Protect the innocent and protect truth.</p>
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		<title>By: TKnTexas</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78205</link>
		<dc:creator>TKnTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Neff, I was saddened to read your article.  &quot;Act of violence&quot; for outing gay priest?  Are you serious?  Do you not read the news.  When I googled the definition of violence I got:  violence n. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing: crimes of violence.

Recent articles regarding the heinous crimes against gay youth.. beheading??  I think that is violence.  Those who committed these crimes are empowered by the sermons and rhetoric of the church.  

The gay youth in Houston was chased all through the neighborhood.  School officials chose to ignore his concerns and warnings.  They were going to &quot;beat the gay&quot; out of him.  

That is violence.  Rethink your article.  Put your words into context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Neff, I was saddened to read your article.  &#8220;Act of violence&#8221; for outing gay priest?  Are you serious?  Do you not read the news.  When I googled the definition of violence I got:  violence n. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing: crimes of violence.</p>
<p>Recent articles regarding the heinous crimes against gay youth.. beheading??  I think that is violence.  Those who committed these crimes are empowered by the sermons and rhetoric of the church.  </p>
<p>The gay youth in Houston was chased all through the neighborhood.  School officials chose to ignore his concerns and warnings.  They were going to &#8220;beat the gay&#8221; out of him.  </p>
<p>That is violence.  Rethink your article.  Put your words into context.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1388927635">Jeffrey Fried</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78204</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1388927635">Jeffrey Fried</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLARIFICATION: I agree with Ms. Neff because of the process. ChurchOuting.org is using a Macarthy-ite approach where anyone can “out” a priest with an email and they will post it without any verification. You may hate the Catholic Church&#039;s hierarchy for any number of reasons, and their response to pedophile priests is certainly one, but outing gay priests is not the way to resolve your differences with the Catholic Church hierarchy.  If nothing else consider that many of the pedophile priests are heterosexual, or as gay people have you forgotten the stereotype that all gay people are pedophiles.  I have asked ChurchOuting.org in an email for clarification on how they process individual requests to out a priest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLARIFICATION: I agree with Ms. Neff because of the process. ChurchOuting.org is using a Macarthy-ite approach where anyone can “out” a priest with an email and they will post it without any verification. You may hate the Catholic Church&#8217;s hierarchy for any number of reasons, and their response to pedophile priests is certainly one, but outing gay priests is not the way to resolve your differences with the Catholic Church hierarchy.  If nothing else consider that many of the pedophile priests are heterosexual, or as gay people have you forgotten the stereotype that all gay people are pedophiles.  I have asked ChurchOuting.org in an email for clarification on how they process individual requests to out a priest.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1388927635">Jeffrey Fried</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78203</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1388927635">Jeffrey Fried</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ms. Neff because of the process.  ChurchOuting.org is using a Macarthy-ite approach where anyone can &quot;out&quot; a priest and they will post it.  I have asked ChurchOuting.org in an email for clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ms. Neff because of the process.  ChurchOuting.org is using a Macarthy-ite approach where anyone can &#8220;out&#8221; a priest and they will post it.  I have asked ChurchOuting.org in an email for clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: WisconsinSingle</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-outing-church-clergy-is-wrong/comment-page-4/#comment-78171</link>
		<dc:creator>WisconsinSingle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I can&#039;t agree with this columnist.  The dictators of the Catholic Church who think they can interfere in the elective process in the same manner that they issue orders to their followers need to experience the same type of treatment they dish out.  That they would sacrifice helping the poor to support their own dictatorial stands, and their interpretations of the Bible, is shameful.  They live in luxury and spread hate, bigotry, and lies about their fellow human beings.  How can anyone respect these people?  How can the Catholic Church support them and maintain their lavish life styles?  Feed the poor and house the homeless and ignore false prophets!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t agree with this columnist.  The dictators of the Catholic Church who think they can interfere in the elective process in the same manner that they issue orders to their followers need to experience the same type of treatment they dish out.  That they would sacrifice helping the poor to support their own dictatorial stands, and their interpretations of the Bible, is shameful.  They live in luxury and spread hate, bigotry, and lies about their fellow human beings.  How can anyone respect these people?  How can the Catholic Church support them and maintain their lavish life styles?  Feed the poor and house the homeless and ignore false prophets!!!</p>
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