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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-65100</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in that 6 months he has defended DOMA after calling it an abomination; pretended to provide employee benefits while offering only useless stuff while providing full coverage for his own family; and sanctioned continuing ot throw out gays and lesbians from the military. One little Exec Order. He signed a bunch that very first day. The writing is on the wall. My checkbook is put away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in that 6 months he has defended DOMA after calling it an abomination; pretended to provide employee benefits while offering only useless stuff while providing full coverage for his own family; and sanctioned continuing ot throw out gays and lesbians from the military. One little Exec Order. He signed a bunch that very first day. The writing is on the wall. My checkbook is put away.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-65021</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may not be the popular statement on this site, but we are beginning to seem like a bunch of whiners.  Things did not get bad for us overnight, and incremental, measured, yet purposeful steps are being taken.  Before we throw Barack out with the bathwater, let&#039;s give him and his administration a chance.  He took office 6 months ago, for Godsake, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may not be the popular statement on this site, but we are beginning to seem like a bunch of whiners.  Things did not get bad for us overnight, and incremental, measured, yet purposeful steps are being taken.  Before we throw Barack out with the bathwater, let&#8217;s give him and his administration a chance.  He took office 6 months ago, for Godsake, people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-64855</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush administration lost two court cases claiming executive privilege to prevent the public from knowing who was visiting the White House.  Now President Obama is claiming the same privilege.  Does he fear letting people know what religious zealots he&#039;s courting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush administration lost two court cases claiming executive privilege to prevent the public from knowing who was visiting the White House.  Now President Obama is claiming the same privilege.  Does he fear letting people know what religious zealots he&#8217;s courting?</p>
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		<title>By: The menstruator</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-64707</link>
		<dc:creator>The menstruator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great 365gay column from Neff. Thank you. I&#039;m just glad I never jumped on the obama cult bandwagon. Sure I&#039;m still screwed like everyone else but at least I wasn&#039;t fooled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great 365gay column from Neff. Thank you. I&#8217;m just glad I never jumped on the obama cult bandwagon. Sure I&#8217;m still screwed like everyone else but at least I wasn&#8217;t fooled.</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-64705</link>
		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress has its share of guilt, but in general they came in following the example set by Obama.  Now it seems like they&#039;re slowly beginning to realize the very awkward truth:  they&#039;re going to have to do something that removes discrimination for gays, and not doing something is already having an impact on fundraising.  In the last couple of elections, Dems have had a financial advantage.  They know they can&#039;t afford to blow that.  Meanwhile, our first nonwhite President presses on in a cloud of willful ignorance, and he stokes our anger with his passive-aggressive combination of bland announcements and unnecessary support of discriminatory laws.  Obama will do exactly nothing for gays unless outside pressure pushes the Dems to push him.  That pressure is already on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress has its share of guilt, but in general they came in following the example set by Obama.  Now it seems like they&#8217;re slowly beginning to realize the very awkward truth:  they&#8217;re going to have to do something that removes discrimination for gays, and not doing something is already having an impact on fundraising.  In the last couple of elections, Dems have had a financial advantage.  They know they can&#8217;t afford to blow that.  Meanwhile, our first nonwhite President presses on in a cloud of willful ignorance, and he stokes our anger with his passive-aggressive combination of bland announcements and unnecessary support of discriminatory laws.  Obama will do exactly nothing for gays unless outside pressure pushes the Dems to push him.  That pressure is already on.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-64699</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc in Colorado Said:

&quot;I am so frustrated, because at 62 years of age, and after years of a political system that seemed to have ended up in the dumper and to be of no real use for the average American citizen, I grabbed desperately to the offered “hope.” Boy, do I feel stupid — because my being fooled was of my own doing.

Shame on me.&quot;

Do not be ashamed, Marc. The quality having having hope and faith in people is nothing to be ashamed of. It simply makes  you a better human, because you have the ability to treat people as people. That one could sacrifice that for an ends is  no victory at all.

Consider me as an alternative. I did not vote for Obama. Imagine if he would have been a tenth of what people expected, and I was wrong about him. What would that make me? really,- what?

I&#039;m sorry that people misjudged and were defrauded, but for gods sake, please remember that your hope is the treasure of  our future, not my cynicism.

And thank you for voting period. Were it not for his election by the full faith of our people, we wouldn&#039;t know a fraction of what we do now about his friends.

Thank you. You should be proud of your decency. And it is worth defending, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc in Colorado Said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am so frustrated, because at 62 years of age, and after years of a political system that seemed to have ended up in the dumper and to be of no real use for the average American citizen, I grabbed desperately to the offered “hope.” Boy, do I feel stupid — because my being fooled was of my own doing.</p>
<p>Shame on me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do not be ashamed, Marc. The quality having having hope and faith in people is nothing to be ashamed of. It simply makes  you a better human, because you have the ability to treat people as people. That one could sacrifice that for an ends is  no victory at all.</p>
<p>Consider me as an alternative. I did not vote for Obama. Imagine if he would have been a tenth of what people expected, and I was wrong about him. What would that make me? really,- what?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that people misjudged and were defrauded, but for gods sake, please remember that your hope is the treasure of  our future, not my cynicism.</p>
<p>And thank you for voting period. Were it not for his election by the full faith of our people, we wouldn&#8217;t know a fraction of what we do now about his friends.</p>
<p>Thank you. You should be proud of your decency. And it is worth defending, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;But did GLBT citizens not expect the extraordinary from this new administration? Wasn’t that the promise made repeatedly during that lengthy primary process? 

No.

He promised ending DADT, ending DOMA, passing ENDA, and passing expanded hate crimes. If he manages to do 3/4 of this agenda in the first term, that will be &quot;extraordinary&quot; when compared with how little we&#039;ve gotten from other administrations. 

He never promised not to defend current law. He never promised that any of these things would be done in the first six months.

He still has the potential to deliver something extraordinary. You guys are dinging him for not being Uber-Extraordinary, and the intensity and lack of logic of it all is bordering on the ridiculous.

Frankly, I&#039;m *glad* his extraordinary efforts went toward the economy, GITMO/torture, repairing our International standing, and getting a start on health-care reform. Sounds like the right set of priorities to me for his first six months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;But did GLBT citizens not expect the extraordinary from this new administration? Wasn’t that the promise made repeatedly during that lengthy primary process? </p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>He promised ending DADT, ending DOMA, passing ENDA, and passing expanded hate crimes. If he manages to do 3/4 of this agenda in the first term, that will be &#8220;extraordinary&#8221; when compared with how little we&#8217;ve gotten from other administrations. </p>
<p>He never promised not to defend current law. He never promised that any of these things would be done in the first six months.</p>
<p>He still has the potential to deliver something extraordinary. You guys are dinging him for not being Uber-Extraordinary, and the intensity and lack of logic of it all is bordering on the ridiculous.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m *glad* his extraordinary efforts went toward the economy, GITMO/torture, repairing our International standing, and getting a start on health-care reform. Sounds like the right set of priorities to me for his first six months.</p>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barricade,

O please keep that proud mess to yourself Mr. David Duke. As for your &quot;history&quot; lesson, that&#039;s strange coming from a man who felt a need to write these lines:

&quot;Gays are OBummer’s niggers.&quot;

&quot;I am a proud Gay man who is tired of being treated like a nigger.&quot;

You are some little racist boy who gets a thrill out of the n word. And by the way, mr. historian last time I checked being &quot;treated like a nigger&quot; meant you could not vote. Were you turned away from the polls in November?

You want to give Obama grief. Go at it! Join the club. You want to engage in some racial crap, please take it somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barricade,</p>
<p>O please keep that proud mess to yourself Mr. David Duke. As for your &#8220;history&#8221; lesson, that&#8217;s strange coming from a man who felt a need to write these lines:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gays are OBummer’s niggers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I am a proud Gay man who is tired of being treated like a nigger.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are some little racist boy who gets a thrill out of the n word. And by the way, mr. historian last time I checked being &#8220;treated like a nigger&#8221; meant you could not vote. Were you turned away from the polls in November?</p>
<p>You want to give Obama grief. Go at it! Join the club. You want to engage in some racial crap, please take it somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-2/#comment-64663</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: barricadesbroken</title>
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		<dc:creator>barricadesbroken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I am far from Klan. I am a proud Gay man who is tired of being treated like a nigger. A black president should understand equality but apparently OBummer doesn&#039;t. Where would he be without the courage of the Kennedys and LBJ. On the back of the bus, where he wants us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I am far from Klan. I am a proud Gay man who is tired of being treated like a nigger. A black president should understand equality but apparently OBummer doesn&#8217;t. Where would he be without the courage of the Kennedys and LBJ. On the back of the bus, where he wants us.</p>
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