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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/neff-breaking-the-addiction-to-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-76534</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally I agree with you, Lisa, but in this case I most definitely do not.  The goal should not be to undermine religious institutions or protest at the way they corrupt religion to justify trampling on our rights.  Sure, the world would be a much better place if Churches preached tolerance rather than hatred, but ultimately people will believe whatever they want to believe, and no amount of foot stamping on our part will make a damn bit of difference.

No, I don&#039;t blame the Churches.  I don&#039;t blame religion.  I don&#039;t blame those people who spread messages of hate.  I don&#039;t blame the idiots who bought into their arguments.  I blame the laws that allowed people to simply vote away our civil rights.

Religion owes us nothing.  The law, on the other hand, has an obligation to protect us, even if said law is unpopular with the masses.  Democracy can sometimes be taken too far, and we have clearly seen that in Maine and California.  Laws were introduced to give us the rights we deserve, and laws were used to overturn those rights.

It&#039;s time to change the law to prevent the population from overturning decisions by the courts, but our elected representatives.  Sure, in some places that may mean we have a battle to convince a smaller group of people to accept change, to accept that we are entitled to certain rights, but that battle will be much easier to win than one fought against the religiously indoctrinated general public.

We rely on the courts to protect our rights.  We rely on elected officials to implement laws to grant us rights.  If those rights are to be taken away then it is the courts and legislature who should be the ones to take them away - not wider society.

Our focus now should be on changing the law to ensure that the next time a court or legislative body grants us rights, the public cannot simply vote them away.  Until the law is changed we must view any victory as a temporary one, one that can be taken away at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally I agree with you, Lisa, but in this case I most definitely do not.  The goal should not be to undermine religious institutions or protest at the way they corrupt religion to justify trampling on our rights.  Sure, the world would be a much better place if Churches preached tolerance rather than hatred, but ultimately people will believe whatever they want to believe, and no amount of foot stamping on our part will make a damn bit of difference.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t blame the Churches.  I don&#8217;t blame religion.  I don&#8217;t blame those people who spread messages of hate.  I don&#8217;t blame the idiots who bought into their arguments.  I blame the laws that allowed people to simply vote away our civil rights.</p>
<p>Religion owes us nothing.  The law, on the other hand, has an obligation to protect us, even if said law is unpopular with the masses.  Democracy can sometimes be taken too far, and we have clearly seen that in Maine and California.  Laws were introduced to give us the rights we deserve, and laws were used to overturn those rights.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to change the law to prevent the population from overturning decisions by the courts, but our elected representatives.  Sure, in some places that may mean we have a battle to convince a smaller group of people to accept change, to accept that we are entitled to certain rights, but that battle will be much easier to win than one fought against the religiously indoctrinated general public.</p>
<p>We rely on the courts to protect our rights.  We rely on elected officials to implement laws to grant us rights.  If those rights are to be taken away then it is the courts and legislature who should be the ones to take them away &#8211; not wider society.</p>
<p>Our focus now should be on changing the law to ensure that the next time a court or legislative body grants us rights, the public cannot simply vote them away.  Until the law is changed we must view any victory as a temporary one, one that can be taken away at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: northscotts88</title>
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		<dc:creator>northscotts88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. It&#039;s just ridiculous. I don&#039;t care if you hate me. I don&#039;t care if you despise me. Just let me marry the man I love. If you don&#039;t want me to marry in your church, fine I wont. I wouldn&#039;t get married in a church anyway because I don&#039;t want to be reminded of religion when I&#039;m looking at my wedding pictures. My sister&#039;s argument against gay marriage is that she doesnt want to go to the mall with her kids and see two guys walking around holding hands. Um.. You already see that, gay marriage isn&#039;t going to change anything in your lives.. just let me do my thing. 

But it&#039;s just a matter of time. We need to keep pushing it and I think sooner rather than later it is going to happen. They won&#039;t win forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. It&#8217;s just ridiculous. I don&#8217;t care if you hate me. I don&#8217;t care if you despise me. Just let me marry the man I love. If you don&#8217;t want me to marry in your church, fine I wont. I wouldn&#8217;t get married in a church anyway because I don&#8217;t want to be reminded of religion when I&#8217;m looking at my wedding pictures. My sister&#8217;s argument against gay marriage is that she doesnt want to go to the mall with her kids and see two guys walking around holding hands. Um.. You already see that, gay marriage isn&#8217;t going to change anything in your lives.. just let me do my thing. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s just a matter of time. We need to keep pushing it and I think sooner rather than later it is going to happen. They won&#8217;t win forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenworth O'neal Poyser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenworth O'neal Poyser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here here Victor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here here Victor!</p>
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		<title>By: Lenworth O'neal Poyser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenworth O'neal Poyser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in other words, what your basically saying is that ignorance is bliss. People will believe anything that already affirms there stupid preconcieved notions no matter how unfactual (Is that a word?) the said evidence is. 

How to get people to listen to reason and not there &quot;made up facts&quot; is the question we have yet to answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in other words, what your basically saying is that ignorance is bliss. People will believe anything that already affirms there stupid preconcieved notions no matter how unfactual (Is that a word?) the said evidence is. </p>
<p>How to get people to listen to reason and not there &#8220;made up facts&#8221; is the question we have yet to answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that you mention cognitive dissonance.  I think that is at the core of what&#039;s going on here.  On a certain level when have to learn how to use cognitive dissonance to our advantage, because it&#039;s being used against us constantly.  Every time someone&#039;s fear is stoked that we might force ourselves upon children in schools a cognitive dissonance wall is built against all the very sensible logical arguments that no in fact that won&#039;t happen if we are allowed to marry.

Similarly when we talk about coming out and getting to know people and the effect it has it&#039;s an example of our using cognitive dissonance.  No one wants to think that their beloved friend/son/mother/uncle/etc. is a horrible person, so we create a cognitive dissonance wall against the lies against homosexuality.

Unfortunately just coming out is too slow, and doesn&#039;t exactly work for a campaign.  We need to find a way to really show people who they are hurting. We need to put up our children who are left without protections, and stark harsh pictures of someone crying in a hospital lobby while their loved one dies in a room of a hospital they aren&#039;t allowed into.  People need to be shown that, because they won&#039;t want to believe that is something they are supporting.  The time to take the gloves off is long since past, so why haven&#039;t the people running these campaigns taken the gloves off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you mention cognitive dissonance.  I think that is at the core of what&#8217;s going on here.  On a certain level when have to learn how to use cognitive dissonance to our advantage, because it&#8217;s being used against us constantly.  Every time someone&#8217;s fear is stoked that we might force ourselves upon children in schools a cognitive dissonance wall is built against all the very sensible logical arguments that no in fact that won&#8217;t happen if we are allowed to marry.</p>
<p>Similarly when we talk about coming out and getting to know people and the effect it has it&#8217;s an example of our using cognitive dissonance.  No one wants to think that their beloved friend/son/mother/uncle/etc. is a horrible person, so we create a cognitive dissonance wall against the lies against homosexuality.</p>
<p>Unfortunately just coming out is too slow, and doesn&#8217;t exactly work for a campaign.  We need to find a way to really show people who they are hurting. We need to put up our children who are left without protections, and stark harsh pictures of someone crying in a hospital lobby while their loved one dies in a room of a hospital they aren&#8217;t allowed into.  People need to be shown that, because they won&#8217;t want to believe that is something they are supporting.  The time to take the gloves off is long since past, so why haven&#8217;t the people running these campaigns taken the gloves off?</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  And the key to winning this battle is by making voters more addicted to us than to the traditional religions.  Not an easy task, and one that takes place slowly, as one person at a time chooses their children, parents, coworkers, neighbors, etc. over their religion&#039;s conservative moral views.  We will win this war by attracting such people and offering them a compelling, emotional reason to choose us.  It will NOT be won by screaming or belittling them.  

Unfortunately, I&#039;ve seen too many in the gay community act as if we can win our rights through force. . .and as Maine proved, that simply is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  And the key to winning this battle is by making voters more addicted to us than to the traditional religions.  Not an easy task, and one that takes place slowly, as one person at a time chooses their children, parents, coworkers, neighbors, etc. over their religion&#8217;s conservative moral views.  We will win this war by attracting such people and offering them a compelling, emotional reason to choose us.  It will NOT be won by screaming or belittling them.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;ve seen too many in the gay community act as if we can win our rights through force. . .and as Maine proved, that simply is not the case.</p>
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