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		<title>By: BRUCE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRUCE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appaerntly PhD&#039;s are getting very easy to get!

The blah blah blah blurb about Corvino at the end of this article is kinda pretentious and reinforces the fact that he&#039;s not that talented an editorialist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appaerntly PhD&#8217;s are getting very easy to get!</p>
<p>The blah blah blah blurb about Corvino at the end of this article is kinda pretentious and reinforces the fact that he&#8217;s not that talented an editorialist.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish Dr. Corvino would utilize the same depth and humor he offers in his lectures and other articles here...this Opinion column seems rather pale and somewhat superficial by comparison...this particular &#039;article&#039;, like others here, seems shallow and only skirts and tap dances around a real opportunity to truly explore gay mentoring,to which he only briefly eludes and buries deeply...overall reducing it to mental masturbation and almost reducing a mentor&#039;s role to that of a tourguide. Please Doc, a little more substance for those of us who admire your &quot;Real&quot; work!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Dr. Corvino would utilize the same depth and humor he offers in his lectures and other articles here&#8230;this Opinion column seems rather pale and somewhat superficial by comparison&#8230;this particular &#8216;article&#8217;, like others here, seems shallow and only skirts and tap dances around a real opportunity to truly explore gay mentoring,to which he only briefly eludes and buries deeply&#8230;overall reducing it to mental masturbation and almost reducing a mentor&#8217;s role to that of a tourguide. Please Doc, a little more substance for those of us who admire your &#8220;Real&#8221; work!?</p>
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		<title>By: montrealbren</title>
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		<dc:creator>montrealbren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Corvino

As we are about the same age and have trolled the same bars (in Detroit and NY), I think you will make a great mentor.

While gay bars make for a good start - From Pronto, the Gas Station, the Woodward, Menjos and Gigi&#039;s in Detroit - to the heights of gaybardom in NYC: these are the places to show your mentee. 

But also show your mentee all those things we didn&#039;t have: gay bowling, school groups, hiking, camping, political centers, etc.

I have long been haunted by the fact that when I was a teen, gay 40somethings were dying left and right. Our only chance at finding a mentor was in bars or nightclubs - and I needed no mentoring in how to end up drunk by last call. Nor did I want an older man as a lover, but as an older brother who could show me how to be gay and survive the homophobia of the early AIDS years. Again, bars were not the place to find what I was looking for.

May I also suggest that you expose your mentee to a city that has made tremendous progress in making our community feel like we are absolutely equal to all other members of society. That city is Montreal. While the rest of Canada eventually catches up with Quebec on gay rights, it is this city that pushes the envelope. As I write, there are massive posters all over town decrying homophobia: it is part of the provincial education system&#039;s current mandate. Posters of 2 male hockey players kissing are found near school playgrounds, blatantly exclaiming &#039;This is not weird&#039;. A vast majority of people here simply do not care about your sex life. They take your right to privacy, freedom, and self-expression VERY seriously. There are far more social clubs than bars for gays here; bathhouses are as sleazy or spa-like as you want them to be; and the city is on a rampage, yanking out the last roots of homophobia with a passion that lifts the heart.

I was someone who sorely needed a mentor. I moved to Detroit from Belgium as a teen: having never experienced homophobia, I was terrified by the &quot;faggots: hate &#039;em, shoot &#039;em&quot; mentality of the Detroit area. As an American, I was supposed to be able to fit in - which is impossible if you didn&#039;t grow up there. Before being known as the Murder Capital, Detroit was known as &#039;The Unfriendliest City in America&#039;. 

Things aren&#039;t the same anymore, thank goodness. Even Michigan, while very very chilly toward its GLBT community, is getting better. In NYC, it seems that St. Vincent&#039;s hospital has finally found some respect for gay patients (as opposed to the Reagan era hostility visited upon gays who had the misfortune of ending up in the West Village&#039;s major hospital).

But please, Dr. C, bring your mentee to see a place that treats our community with all the dignity afforded to all groups. Show your mentee that North America can be different in his or her lifetime. Montreal is a town that knocks chips off shoulders. 

I say all of this because I think your idea is a great one, and because I would have loved to have had a mentor in the dark years. Imagine this, however: ideally, here in Quebec, REGULAR SCHOOL TEACHERS are expected to serve as mentors to their gay students - as well as their straight students. They are trying to create a society in which mentors are not needed for &quot;lost&quot; GLBT citizens, as gay life is carried out in the open, in schools and non-nightlife activity. Show your mentee that gay ghettos exist, but are not necessary. Show your mentee a society that has simply decided we are not abnormal in any way. Nor, of course, are we &quot;special&quot; - we are Montrealers.

You will find nowhere on the continent that is so rabidly anti-homophobic, yet so rabidly &quot;normal&quot;. Your mentee needs to know that such hope exists and is being lived by thousands of foreign gays who are very grateful for the opportunity to live in such a place. Only an 8 hour drive from Wayne State.

Your mentee is truly blessed; as we might have been were our elders not dying when our generation needed them most.

Thanks for walking the walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Corvino</p>
<p>As we are about the same age and have trolled the same bars (in Detroit and NY), I think you will make a great mentor.</p>
<p>While gay bars make for a good start &#8211; From Pronto, the Gas Station, the Woodward, Menjos and Gigi&#8217;s in Detroit &#8211; to the heights of gaybardom in NYC: these are the places to show your mentee. </p>
<p>But also show your mentee all those things we didn&#8217;t have: gay bowling, school groups, hiking, camping, political centers, etc.</p>
<p>I have long been haunted by the fact that when I was a teen, gay 40somethings were dying left and right. Our only chance at finding a mentor was in bars or nightclubs &#8211; and I needed no mentoring in how to end up drunk by last call. Nor did I want an older man as a lover, but as an older brother who could show me how to be gay and survive the homophobia of the early AIDS years. Again, bars were not the place to find what I was looking for.</p>
<p>May I also suggest that you expose your mentee to a city that has made tremendous progress in making our community feel like we are absolutely equal to all other members of society. That city is Montreal. While the rest of Canada eventually catches up with Quebec on gay rights, it is this city that pushes the envelope. As I write, there are massive posters all over town decrying homophobia: it is part of the provincial education system&#8217;s current mandate. Posters of 2 male hockey players kissing are found near school playgrounds, blatantly exclaiming &#8216;This is not weird&#8217;. A vast majority of people here simply do not care about your sex life. They take your right to privacy, freedom, and self-expression VERY seriously. There are far more social clubs than bars for gays here; bathhouses are as sleazy or spa-like as you want them to be; and the city is on a rampage, yanking out the last roots of homophobia with a passion that lifts the heart.</p>
<p>I was someone who sorely needed a mentor. I moved to Detroit from Belgium as a teen: having never experienced homophobia, I was terrified by the &#8220;faggots: hate &#8216;em, shoot &#8216;em&#8221; mentality of the Detroit area. As an American, I was supposed to be able to fit in &#8211; which is impossible if you didn&#8217;t grow up there. Before being known as the Murder Capital, Detroit was known as &#8216;The Unfriendliest City in America&#8217;. </p>
<p>Things aren&#8217;t the same anymore, thank goodness. Even Michigan, while very very chilly toward its GLBT community, is getting better. In NYC, it seems that St. Vincent&#8217;s hospital has finally found some respect for gay patients (as opposed to the Reagan era hostility visited upon gays who had the misfortune of ending up in the West Village&#8217;s major hospital).</p>
<p>But please, Dr. C, bring your mentee to see a place that treats our community with all the dignity afforded to all groups. Show your mentee that North America can be different in his or her lifetime. Montreal is a town that knocks chips off shoulders. </p>
<p>I say all of this because I think your idea is a great one, and because I would have loved to have had a mentor in the dark years. Imagine this, however: ideally, here in Quebec, REGULAR SCHOOL TEACHERS are expected to serve as mentors to their gay students &#8211; as well as their straight students. They are trying to create a society in which mentors are not needed for &#8220;lost&#8221; GLBT citizens, as gay life is carried out in the open, in schools and non-nightlife activity. Show your mentee that gay ghettos exist, but are not necessary. Show your mentee a society that has simply decided we are not abnormal in any way. Nor, of course, are we &#8220;special&#8221; &#8211; we are Montrealers.</p>
<p>You will find nowhere on the continent that is so rabidly anti-homophobic, yet so rabidly &#8220;normal&#8221;. Your mentee needs to know that such hope exists and is being lived by thousands of foreign gays who are very grateful for the opportunity to live in such a place. Only an 8 hour drive from Wayne State.</p>
<p>Your mentee is truly blessed; as we might have been were our elders not dying when our generation needed them most.</p>
<p>Thanks for walking the walk.</p>
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		<title>By: mdc.philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdc.philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were not the best behaved animal in the animal kingdom.  Although: Since we are outside our natural habitat, the night clubs offer some of us, a much need break from the streets of America...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were not the best behaved animal in the animal kingdom.  Although: Since we are outside our natural habitat, the night clubs offer some of us, a much need break from the streets of America&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mick in Detroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick in Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John,John,John! How old is your head-shot? Or are you playing into the myth that only the young are beautiful let alone credible? Please show us what you look like today&quot;

While I don&#039;t know John well, we&#039;ve met and I run into him around town once in a while.  That is what he looks like.  Definitely looks at least ten years younger than his age.  bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;John,John,John! How old is your head-shot? Or are you playing into the myth that only the young are beautiful let alone credible? Please show us what you look like today&#8221;</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t know John well, we&#8217;ve met and I run into him around town once in a while.  That is what he looks like.  Definitely looks at least ten years younger than his age.  bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: RavensWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>RavensWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HMM Food for thought. Dr. Corvino makes some astute observations. When I came out( was I ever really in) let me rephrase that , When I went to my first gay Bar  it was called the &quot;Blue Bugle&quot; in Stroudsburg Pa, now closed in 90 something, It was for a feeling of comfort and sameness. I admit I too went to Places like the &quot;Anvil, &quot;The Cellar&#039; &amp; RamRod&quot; in NY City; different tastes. It was a Place to hook up for sex. There is a difference in being GAY and being a Screaming in your Face Flaunting your Life Style Obnoxious Queen instead of a Gay Man. Im sorry but We &quot;Men&quot; seem to do that drawing attention in all the wrong light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HMM Food for thought. Dr. Corvino makes some astute observations. When I came out( was I ever really in) let me rephrase that , When I went to my first gay Bar  it was called the &#8220;Blue Bugle&#8221; in Stroudsburg Pa, now closed in 90 something, It was for a feeling of comfort and sameness. I admit I too went to Places like the &#8220;Anvil, &#8220;The Cellar&#8217; &amp; RamRod&#8221; in NY City; different tastes. It was a Place to hook up for sex. There is a difference in being GAY and being a Screaming in your Face Flaunting your Life Style Obnoxious Queen instead of a Gay Man. Im sorry but We &#8220;Men&#8221; seem to do that drawing attention in all the wrong light.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Ryden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Ryden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another keeper John, I am going ot clip this one and remember it for a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another keeper John, I am going ot clip this one and remember it for a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a slow news day. Why is it that this guy&#039;s stories are always top header here on this website. Seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a slow news day. Why is it that this guy&#8217;s stories are always top header here on this website. Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: stashu</title>
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		<dc:creator>stashu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,John,John!  How old is your head-shot? Or are you playing into the myth that only the young are beautiful let alone credible? Please show us what you look like today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,John,John!  How old is your head-shot? Or are you playing into the myth that only the young are beautiful let alone credible? Please show us what you look like today!</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a time when being gay meant being in a gay bar with other gays. As a gay person, I was required to dance, drink and hook up. This was my first impression of the gay &quot;scene.&quot; That was in my early-20&#039;s.

Now, at near-30 (and loving it), being gay has become less a defining thing. I&#039;ve since stopped drinking and going to the bars, really. Looking back, I was never really mentored by anyone and I am always somewhat envious of those who are newly-out and find someone to show them the ins-and-outs of their respective gay scene.

At the same time, I&#039;m thankful that I didn&#039;t have anyone to do that. Being told what is &quot;REAL&quot; has almost always lead to disappointment in any instance. Thanks for the thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a time when being gay meant being in a gay bar with other gays. As a gay person, I was required to dance, drink and hook up. This was my first impression of the gay &#8220;scene.&#8221; That was in my early-20&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Now, at near-30 (and loving it), being gay has become less a defining thing. I&#8217;ve since stopped drinking and going to the bars, really. Looking back, I was never really mentored by anyone and I am always somewhat envious of those who are newly-out and find someone to show them the ins-and-outs of their respective gay scene.</p>
<p>At the same time, I&#8217;m thankful that I didn&#8217;t have anyone to do that. Being told what is &#8220;REAL&#8221; has almost always lead to disappointment in any instance. Thanks for the thoughts!</p>
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