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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belated birthday wishes John.  Have a great summer and keep up all the great work!</description>
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		<title>By: Jaime Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaime Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m now 75,a retired psychiatrist, and I came out in first year medical school in 1972. One of my classmates unfortunately suicided after graduation, while I was in residency in psychiatry. I affiliated with the American Psychiatric Association Gay/Lesbian/Transgendered group and we were successful in removing the diagnosis of homosexuality from the Diagnostic &amp; Statistical Manual of Psychiatry. Looking backwards now, I believe that was what I am the most proud of in my professional career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m now 75,a retired psychiatrist, and I came out in first year medical school in 1972. One of my classmates unfortunately suicided after graduation, while I was in residency in psychiatry. I affiliated with the American Psychiatric Association Gay/Lesbian/Transgendered group and we were successful in removing the diagnosis of homosexuality from the Diagnostic &amp; Statistical Manual of Psychiatry. Looking backwards now, I believe that was what I am the most proud of in my professional career.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically this is a column written by a self-absorbed passive aggressive for the same. Nice. Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically this is a column written by a self-absorbed passive aggressive for the same. Nice. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes! Happy Birthday, John!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John - We met a couple of years ago at a Hope Fund reception at Cranbrook. On May 6, I turned 60 years old, so it is quite interesting reading your column, since you were one of the &quot;kids&quot; when I was 40. In the late 60s and early 70s, I didn&#039;t consider myself a &quot;revolutionary&quot; or anything/one extreme, when I walked into a gay bar through the front door. Nor did I fully realize I was &quot;breaking ground&quot; when I was the first male, tenure-track professor at Eastern Michigan University to come out. It was all part of a process, and one I&#039;ve enjoyed immensely! Thanks for helping me put my 60th birthday into another perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#8211; We met a couple of years ago at a Hope Fund reception at Cranbrook. On May 6, I turned 60 years old, so it is quite interesting reading your column, since you were one of the &#8220;kids&#8221; when I was 40. In the late 60s and early 70s, I didn&#8217;t consider myself a &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; or anything/one extreme, when I walked into a gay bar through the front door. Nor did I fully realize I was &#8220;breaking ground&#8221; when I was the first male, tenure-track professor at Eastern Michigan University to come out. It was all part of a process, and one I&#8217;ve enjoyed immensely! Thanks for helping me put my 60th birthday into another perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I’d forgotten about my early days of for-work-travel and out-of-town gay bars. I did exactly as you had, which was grab the phone book and search those very words; “gay”, “lambda” and “rainbow”.  I’d also scan the names of bars listed under “Taverns” and one got good at trying to find the nuances in the names.  Almost every town had a bar named “Back Street” - and indeed, most often, it was on some back street.  

The idea of asking a Gap employee never entered my mind.  However, a friend of mine used to call the police department and ask about the local gay bars.  His thought was that the police would at least steer him clear of the less desirable places.  

Its much easier these days - especially with the Internet, but even without, most city guides and the local alternative press readily list gay venues.  

Now, as I’m in my forties, I have yard work and enough work around the house that an occasional beer on the front porch will suffice.  When one of the gay neighbors walks past with his or her dog, we’ll chat for a bit, ask one another, “have you been out lately?” to which the answer is usually “no, you?”  

Thanks for pointing out your old habits.  I’d forgotten that they were mine as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I’d forgotten about my early days of for-work-travel and out-of-town gay bars. I did exactly as you had, which was grab the phone book and search those very words; “gay”, “lambda” and “rainbow”.  I’d also scan the names of bars listed under “Taverns” and one got good at trying to find the nuances in the names.  Almost every town had a bar named “Back Street” &#8211; and indeed, most often, it was on some back street.  </p>
<p>The idea of asking a Gap employee never entered my mind.  However, a friend of mine used to call the police department and ask about the local gay bars.  His thought was that the police would at least steer him clear of the less desirable places.  </p>
<p>Its much easier these days &#8211; especially with the Internet, but even without, most city guides and the local alternative press readily list gay venues.  </p>
<p>Now, as I’m in my forties, I have yard work and enough work around the house that an occasional beer on the front porch will suffice.  When one of the gay neighbors walks past with his or her dog, we’ll chat for a bit, ask one another, “have you been out lately?” to which the answer is usually “no, you?”  </p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out your old habits.  I’d forgotten that they were mine as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Birthday! As a forty-something, I remember going to Laughlin, NV with my family. After two days of family &quot;bliss&quot;, I was ready for something racier, so I got a haircut, chatted the stylist, and figured out where the one and only local gay bar was. Although I did not have to WALK uphill 10 miles, I did have to drive what felt like 100 miles, past two coyotes and a zillion cactuses to find the isolated house with the dimly lit parking lot that was the gay bar. Thank God for the Internet and progress! Nowadays, probably most of the main bars on the Laughlin strip have a gay night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday! As a forty-something, I remember going to Laughlin, NV with my family. After two days of family &#8220;bliss&#8221;, I was ready for something racier, so I got a haircut, chatted the stylist, and figured out where the one and only local gay bar was. Although I did not have to WALK uphill 10 miles, I did have to drive what felt like 100 miles, past two coyotes and a zillion cactuses to find the isolated house with the dimly lit parking lot that was the gay bar. Thank God for the Internet and progress! Nowadays, probably most of the main bars on the Laughlin strip have a gay night.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of more self-indulgent drivel, by a 53-year-old, I really appreciate your words, and the progress that has been made since you were born... just weeks before Stonewall, eh?  And Michael might just want to notice that as a college prof you ARE engaging in intergenerational dialogue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of more self-indulgent drivel, by a 53-year-old, I really appreciate your words, and the progress that has been made since you were born&#8230; just weeks before Stonewall, eh?  And Michael might just want to notice that as a college prof you ARE engaging in intergenerational dialogue!</p>
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		<title>By: montrealbren</title>
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		<dc:creator>montrealbren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John:

I&#039;m about your age and greatly appreciate your column.

I wish you a happy birthday, and hope you have many more.

If you weren&#039;t married, I&#039;d stalk you. But fear not, I&#039;m no home wrecker. I&#039;m happy for you, even if I want to boink you. 

Back to topic: 
After experiencing Detroit&#039;s unbelievable homophobia as a teen, I&#039;ve come to hate Michigan and the Midwest, though I&#039;ll admit that attitudes have changed. I think that gays are now tolerated in Michigan, but just barely. The demographics of the state are ideal for homophobia, now more than ever.

I grew up in the UK and Belgium, where even in the 70s, no one cared about who was gay. The only thing aside from good looks that stood a chance of bolstering one&#039;s popularity was intelligence: that&#039;s right, smart people were cool. Kids are all kinda mean, but none as mean as Midwestern kids. Not even French kids. If you want to experience what I&#039;m talking about, eavesdrop on a bunch of highschool kids in suburban Detroit and compare with the chatter of kids in Montreal. It&#039;s a slap in the face. Sure there are cultural differences, but nothing that justifies the downright nastiness of American youts.
 
Returning to the US as a gay teen at the outset of AIDS, I was shocked to learn that the country I had always admired from afar, my homeland, was home to so much blind hatred. It existed in the lily white suburbs, and was worse below 8 Mile Road. I had no choice but to stay closeted. Even teachers used the words &quot;fag&quot; and &quot;homo&quot; in the classroom without consequence - and this at one of the state&#039;s best high schools (thanks for that, Detroit Country Day School: I&#039;ll never forget it! Talk about mens sana in corpore sano...). Radio stations (that&#039;s you, WRIF) fanned the flames of homophobia with glee. 

Only the worst of Detroit&#039;s ghettos had gay bars, which were a lifeline to 14 year olds (with fake IDs) who naturally turned to hedonism as a way to deal with the hatred we encountered the minute we left our homes (luckily, there was no homophobia in my home).

I can&#039;t help but think that if Detroit Country Day had a Gay-Straight Alliance club, I&#039;d have been spared a lot of misery. If they had told us that our (obviously gay) favorite art teacher had died of AIDS (&quot;kidney disease&quot; they said...), perhaps teachers would have found better words than &quot;fag&quot; or &quot;homo&quot; to inculcate us with upstanding morality. Hopefully, it&#039;s easier to be a gay student in Michigan.

As the suburbs have become more gay-tolerant, the city of Detroit has remained stubbornly anti-gay. As has the State legislature in Lansing - perhaps the only common ground between the two.

While I credit MTV and activists and scholars for the very real advances made, the Detroit area is not a fun place to be gay. or LBTQAI. In fact, it sucks. 

You&#039;ve got your work cut out for you. Good luck. You&#039;re in one of homophobia&#039;s last Northern bastions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about your age and greatly appreciate your column.</p>
<p>I wish you a happy birthday, and hope you have many more.</p>
<p>If you weren&#8217;t married, I&#8217;d stalk you. But fear not, I&#8217;m no home wrecker. I&#8217;m happy for you, even if I want to boink you. </p>
<p>Back to topic:<br />
After experiencing Detroit&#8217;s unbelievable homophobia as a teen, I&#8217;ve come to hate Michigan and the Midwest, though I&#8217;ll admit that attitudes have changed. I think that gays are now tolerated in Michigan, but just barely. The demographics of the state are ideal for homophobia, now more than ever.</p>
<p>I grew up in the UK and Belgium, where even in the 70s, no one cared about who was gay. The only thing aside from good looks that stood a chance of bolstering one&#8217;s popularity was intelligence: that&#8217;s right, smart people were cool. Kids are all kinda mean, but none as mean as Midwestern kids. Not even French kids. If you want to experience what I&#8217;m talking about, eavesdrop on a bunch of highschool kids in suburban Detroit and compare with the chatter of kids in Montreal. It&#8217;s a slap in the face. Sure there are cultural differences, but nothing that justifies the downright nastiness of American youts.</p>
<p>Returning to the US as a gay teen at the outset of AIDS, I was shocked to learn that the country I had always admired from afar, my homeland, was home to so much blind hatred. It existed in the lily white suburbs, and was worse below 8 Mile Road. I had no choice but to stay closeted. Even teachers used the words &#8220;fag&#8221; and &#8220;homo&#8221; in the classroom without consequence &#8211; and this at one of the state&#8217;s best high schools (thanks for that, Detroit Country Day School: I&#8217;ll never forget it! Talk about mens sana in corpore sano&#8230;). Radio stations (that&#8217;s you, WRIF) fanned the flames of homophobia with glee. </p>
<p>Only the worst of Detroit&#8217;s ghettos had gay bars, which were a lifeline to 14 year olds (with fake IDs) who naturally turned to hedonism as a way to deal with the hatred we encountered the minute we left our homes (luckily, there was no homophobia in my home).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that if Detroit Country Day had a Gay-Straight Alliance club, I&#8217;d have been spared a lot of misery. If they had told us that our (obviously gay) favorite art teacher had died of AIDS (&#8220;kidney disease&#8221; they said&#8230;), perhaps teachers would have found better words than &#8220;fag&#8221; or &#8220;homo&#8221; to inculcate us with upstanding morality. Hopefully, it&#8217;s easier to be a gay student in Michigan.</p>
<p>As the suburbs have become more gay-tolerant, the city of Detroit has remained stubbornly anti-gay. As has the State legislature in Lansing &#8211; perhaps the only common ground between the two.</p>
<p>While I credit MTV and activists and scholars for the very real advances made, the Detroit area is not a fun place to be gay. or LBTQAI. In fact, it sucks. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got your work cut out for you. Good luck. You&#8217;re in one of homophobia&#8217;s last Northern bastions.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What whiny, self-indulgent drivel. The real story here is the lack of an inter-generational dialogue to move these issues forward. Gays and lesbians in their 70&#039;s, 50&#039;s 30&#039;s etc all have different experiences that rarely, if ever get shared in an interactive way. At best we have this kind of &#039;back in my day&#039; non-sense that is meant to chastise the younger folk for how easy they have. More passive aggressive than anything...

And it&#039;s true. You don&#039;t look 40. Midwest 40 is like coastal 60.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What whiny, self-indulgent drivel. The real story here is the lack of an inter-generational dialogue to move these issues forward. Gays and lesbians in their 70&#8242;s, 50&#8242;s 30&#8242;s etc all have different experiences that rarely, if ever get shared in an interactive way. At best we have this kind of &#8216;back in my day&#8217; non-sense that is meant to chastise the younger folk for how easy they have. More passive aggressive than anything&#8230;</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s true. You don&#8217;t look 40. Midwest 40 is like coastal 60.</p>
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