November 9th, 2009
 

365 Gay: Opinion

Corvino: Gay rights beyond California

, columnist, 365gay.com

I received a lot of responses to my last column, mostly from people who hated it.

At the time I wrote it, I had two half-baked column ideas and multiple deadlines pressing. In principle I would still defend either:

Column-idea one was a lighthearted look at a march I had participated in. I reserve the right to poke fun at the community of which I’ve been an active part for two decades—especially now, when a sense of humor is needed to carry us through the fight ahead.

Column-idea two was about how, while people were looking at California and getting outraged about Prop. 8, they should look at the rest of the country (and the world) and get even more outraged. It was also a critique of some of the coasto-centrism of the gay-rights movement (more on that in a moment).

Unfortunately, the hasty combination of the two ideas resulted in a clumsy piece that struck many as saying, “California’s not so bad, let’s have a drink.” That was not my intention, and I’m sorry if the column suggested it.

California is important for precisely the reasons I stated in that column: “it’s an egregious injustice to have minority rights taken away by a majority vote” and “California progress (or lack thereof) has a profound effect on the rest of the nation.”

I wouldn’t have marched—or have dedicated six of my last eight columns to Prop. 8-related issues—if I thought otherwise.

And I do know something about injustice. I’ve been physically attacked for being gay—in New York, where I grew up, when I was 21. I’ve been harassed by a Texas State Trooper for kissing another man—and filed a successful complaint against him. Voters in my current home state revoked the domestic-partner benefits offered by my employer—just one of many examples of how California is NOT the first place where straight voters have taken away gay people’s rights.

Rhetorically, however, it is virtually impossible to say, “This is bad, BUT…” without people doubting your commitment to “This is bad.” So let me repeat: what happened in California is bad—very bad. Period. End of thought. New topic.

For several years I’ve noticed a kind of myopia from certain elements of the GLBT community—especially on the coasts. “We’ve won this war, John—gayness is a largely a non-issue. Sure, there are some stragglers in the South and the Midwest, but they’ll catch up soon enough. In the meantime, trying to engage them just dignifies their bigotry. It’s time for you to accept that we’re living in a post-gay society.”

Prop. 8 stung so much, in part, because it proves that we are not there yet.

So do Florida, and Arizona, and Arkansas, and over two dozen other states with amendments as bad as, or worse than, California’s. Only Massachusetts and Connecticut have marriage equality, and even there our marriages lack federal recognition.

Yet somehow, despite this vast land of inequality, we’ve supposedly “won the war” and are living in a “post-gay society.”

Except that we’re not. And so when the marches are over—the placards dismantled, the cute t-shirts washed, folded, and put away—there’s work to be done. Those of us in the “flyover states” can help.

We can help, as we did, with our donations. But more important, we can help with our insight.

You see, we understand very well that we’re not there yet. Most of us live and work among people for whom gayness is still very much an issue. We know how to talk to those people, because we do it daily.

That could have been useful in California. Amid the Monday-morning quarterbacking about the “No on 8” campaign, two themes stand out. One, which I’ve stressed before, is the failure to tell our stories. The other is complacency, and in particular, the failure to engage skeptical voters.

One of the more interesting intramural criticisms I’ve received—not just of my last column, but of my work generally—is that I’m an “apologist.” Critics toss the term as if it were an insult. But an apologist is precisely what I aim to be.

An apologist, in the traditional sense of the term, is not someone who says “I’m sorry”—something you’ll never find me doing with respect to gayness.

An apologist is someone who explains things to a skeptical audience. An apology (apologia), in this sense, is not a retraction, but a vigorous defense.

That’s something I’ve been doing for nearly two decades, and something I intend to keep doing. Because—as Prop. 8 harshly reminds us—even in California we are not there yet.

John Corvino, Ph.D. is an author, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit.

For over 15 years he has traveled the country speaking on homosexuality and ethics. His writing has been featured in regional and national periodicals, at the online Independent Gay Forum, and in numerous scholarly anthologies. His column “The Gay Moralist” appears Fridays on 365gay.com.

For more about John Corvino, or to see clips from his “What’s Morally Wrong with Homosexuality?” DVD, visit www.johncorvino.com.


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  • sam Said: December 5th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    • You’re my hero. Just wanted you to know that

  • Frank Said: December 5th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    • I agree. My partner of 44 years and I live in NC. We are both retired and make a point of joining non gay organizations as a COUPLE so we can tell our story. We believe that while this is a long process, it has the most staying power.

  • Norvell J Maher Jr Said: December 5th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    • As a retired 20+ yr soldier from the Army, living in S Central TX and GAY, I fully appreciate Mr Corvino’s Column!! It is a constant battle and one that has yet to see even a glimmer of headway! Maybe very small increments, very small at the very least! NJMJr.

  • revrandy Said: December 5th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    • John: While I had no problem with the previous piece, it was good to see your serious response to your critics. Apologetics is a basic part of my life: I’m a priest. Explaining the truth to the mystified, and holding the mystery up to those convinced they alone have the truth … well, it’s a tough job. Somebody’s got to do it. Thanks for your part.

  • James Martin Said: December 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    • Your column still stunk no matter the intention. We CANNOT read your mind only what you write. You need to go on a long vacation.

  • Rob Lll Said: December 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
    • Gerry’s analysis and prescribed course of action are spot-on. ENDA is key, and a necessary pre-condition for nationwide progress in other areas.

      And it’s eminently achievable. If I’m not mistaken, protection from employment discrimination is our single most popular issue with the general public — every survey I’ve seen in the past 10 years shows overwhelming support from almost all demographics (I’ve even seen some that show majority support from evangelicals!).

      We have successfully passed and defended anti-discrimination laws on the state and local level in many places, and I believe ENDA even passed the Senate in the late 90s. Obama has pledged his support, the Democratic Congress would pass it, it would enjoy broad support among the general public (or at least be the least divisive thing we could push), and could make an enormous difference in the lives of literally millions of people. IF we get our act together, there’s no reason we shouldn’t be able to pass it in Obama’s first term.

      I live in California. As devastating as the Prop 8 loss was, in the context of the rest of country we have it pretty good out here (so good we got lazy, which was part of the problem). I’ve always had protection from job discrimination, either under the employer policy of the companies I’ve worked for or local/state law. Many of our GLBT brethren in other parts of the country are not so lucky. It would be great to do something for the janitor in Alabama or the nurse in Idaho who have had to spend years in the closet for fear of losing their livelihood. Out of basic solidarity, of course, but I also hope it would help spur a blossoming of new activism in all corners of the country once these protections are in place.

  • Stephen Said: December 5th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
    • Re: Rodney Moore’s remarks about ‘gradualism’:

      Progess generally is gradual, not immediate. That isn’t to say I agree with all the waiting, but there are instances where jumping the gun will not result in progress but regression.

      I’ve no doubt that you want to experience full equality NOW! I’ve been wanting that for about 30 years, myself. But it’s become exceedingly clear to me in that span of time that wanting it isn’t the same thing as working for it.

      People can march, chant and holler all they like. It might make them feel better, but it’s unlikely to speed things up.

      So I’m going to say it, whether you want to hear it or not: You DO indeed need to have some patience, and I will not sit down and shut the *bleep* up just because you don’t like the message.

  • TheRadicalRealist Said: December 5th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    • Of course we are not there yet. We are not there yet because of retarded pansy apologists like you who want to hold the hand of those who want us eradicated and negotiate with evil. The LGBT movement needs people like Harvey Milk, not lazy-ass bitches like you.

  • Sarrellec Said: December 5th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
    • Um…guys.
      The United States is BEHIND the other top 24 industrialized nations in EVERYTHING, not just gay rights.
      We’re behind in national health care; livable retirement pensions; vacation time; family leave time; work hours per week; viable alternate transportation; education; secondary education funding…it goes on and on and on.
      The United States is just above…what was it? Mongolia?…in healthcare. Last I read, the US was 37th!
      That’s 12 countries not considered industrialized first world countries ahead of the US!!
      Face it, the USA is just another theocratic mess of a country right along with every other extremist theocratic country out there.
      And we think the majority of people here give a DAMN about gay rights?
      They’re too busy trying to figure out how to pay their medical bills while not losing their house–the ONLY first world country wherein a citizen has this concern AT ALL!–to worry about how far behind the rest of the world the USA is in civil rights.

  • Trace Said: December 5th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
    • Sarrellec, it’s so bad that thousands of people want to immigrate to the US every year. You know, they want to immigrate from those countries that are “ahead” of us.

  • Robert Angelo Said: December 5th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
    • As a former Californian and a former D.C. resident as well, I’ve also observed the many self-obsessed East Coast and West Coast opinions from my current home in Texas.

      I don’t think John Corvino has anything to apologize for. The blogosphere has been described as an “echo chamber” where people hear their own opinions repeated and reinforced. What I see more and more is that unwelcome or unpopular opinions are electronically “shouted down” without being given due consideration or a fair hearing. When I read the blogs — and especially the comments — sometimes it’s like looking into a one-dimensional “Flatland” where the opinion-of-the-day rules.

      Meanwhile, I think it’s true that those of us who are middle-aged or older, those of us who live on the Third Coast or in non-coastal states, those of us who live in suburbs or rural areas, those who are moderates and centrists and even conservatives, and yes, those who do not focus their lives on politics first, are frequently left out or intimidated from participating in the conversation. That cannot possibly be a good thing.

  • Ken from MS Said: December 5th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
    • Reading through your article and especially the comments, it is nice to know that I am not the only one who thinks that marriage equality is the least of worries for most of the country. It is first of all too soon to be pushing for marriage equality; the majority of the country is not ready for it. Second, in MOST STATES what the GLBT population needs is not marriage but much more basic equalities, like not being fired for being gay or not being thrown out of their homes for being gay!!! The elitest West/East Coast/Urban “Activists” who already have those protections threw the rest of us UNDER THE BUS! They clearly don’t give a shit about us, because they already have theirs.
      When the whole marriage equality thing started I made a series of predictions, every one of which have come true. I said it was too early to push for it and that there would be a backlash which would put those of us who do not live in liberal urban areas who already have basic job and housing protection even further behind. I truly believe that ENDA could have passed 8 years ago if there had been a serious push for it. There was and is enormous corporate and business support for passing it. But instead of pushing something that would help the ENTIRE country and the ENTIRE GLBT community, the “Activists” went for something that *they* didn’t have and said “Fuck You” to the rest of us!!

  • Shari Said: December 5th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    • Do you think it’s better to fight for everything at once – pushing for the maximum rights you can get in each rural area? Meaning in a state or city who’s chief concern is job protection the local/state communities should work on that? Versus a state whose chief concern is marriage equality, the locales of that area should focus on fighting that?

      Or should we pick a specific goal (i.e. ENDA) and collectively as an entire nation, push for it in all communities/states? Then once successful take on a second collective goal of reversing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (for instance) and work as an entire nation on that?

      What do you think? What would be most effective in your opinion?

  • Beth Holden-Soto Said: December 5th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    • John,

      Thank you for this article. Grassroots LGBT leaders in California have known all along, and have been working all along, on telling our stories, and engaging people in conversations on the issue of marriage equality.

      Hopefully the top-down-style nationwide and statewide organizations will begin utilizing and supporting the people who are making a difference.

      -Beth Holden-Soto

  • kendal Said: December 5th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
    • Hey, I liked the first one! :)

 
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