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	<title>Comments on: Corvino: Dems are &#8216;values voters,&#8217; too</title>
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		<title>By: Gerald M. Callaio</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/corvino-dems-are-values-voters-too/comment-page-1/#comment-30142</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald M. Callaio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we must fight the churches on their own stupidity. they got into politics/civil rights. there has to be a lawyer out there who can nail them. the morman church hasn&#039;t an extra wife to stand on. lol. take away tax-exempt status. between them and catholics.....   etc. we could substantially bring down our national debt. pursue less rights, same taxes, we will win if we cstick together and, FIGHT BACK, AS &quot;DIRTY AS THEY DO&quot;.    JERRY CALLAIO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we must fight the churches on their own stupidity. they got into politics/civil rights. there has to be a lawyer out there who can nail them. the morman church hasn&#8217;t an extra wife to stand on. lol. take away tax-exempt status. between them and catholics&#8230;..   etc. we could substantially bring down our national debt. pursue less rights, same taxes, we will win if we cstick together and, FIGHT BACK, AS &#8220;DIRTY AS THEY DO&#8221;.    JERRY CALLAIO</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald m. Callaio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald m. Callaio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in constitution we are allequal.(BUT IN THE BOOK ANIMAL FARM;SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS). WHERE IS SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE???IF WE ARE LEGISLATED TI SECOND CLASS CITIZENS: THAN WHY DO WE PAY SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES?WE CAMNNOT ADOPT HERE, WHY PAY SCHOOL TAX? BUT IF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.... THE MORMAN CHURCH.. PREACH AND GIVE $ TO POLITICAL CAUSES; WHY ARE THEY STILL TAX-EXEMPT????? WE CAN BEAT THEM ON THEIR OWN HYPROCISTY!!!! THEY OWE TAXES; JUST LIKE WE HOMOSEXUALS!!!!! JERRY CALLAIO  ACT-UP!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in constitution we are allequal.(BUT IN THE BOOK ANIMAL FARM;SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS). WHERE IS SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE???IF WE ARE LEGISLATED TI SECOND CLASS CITIZENS: THAN WHY DO WE PAY SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES?WE CAMNNOT ADOPT HERE, WHY PAY SCHOOL TAX? BUT IF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH&#8230;. THE MORMAN CHURCH.. PREACH AND GIVE $ TO POLITICAL CAUSES; WHY ARE THEY STILL TAX-EXEMPT????? WE CAN BEAT THEM ON THEIR OWN HYPROCISTY!!!! THEY OWE TAXES; JUST LIKE WE HOMOSEXUALS!!!!! JERRY CALLAIO  ACT-UP!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: blacksteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In most major religions, some version of the Golden Rule - treat others the same as you want to be treated - is the foundation of morality. The rest is detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most major religions, some version of the Golden Rule &#8211; treat others the same as you want to be treated &#8211; is the foundation of morality. The rest is detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/corvino-dems-are-values-voters-too/comment-page-1/#comment-27422</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Chad:

Merely pointing out a flaw (or arguing Ad hominem against) in someone&#039;s argument does neither you nor the author any good.  

If your response was meant to challenge someone on how to define morality, then I believe a Philosophy professor is definitely the wrong person to challenge.

Plus, I believe your issue was addressed in (1).

You are right Chad when you say, &quot;Your readers may not be as smart as you think they are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Chad:</p>
<p>Merely pointing out a flaw (or arguing Ad hominem against) in someone&#8217;s argument does neither you nor the author any good.  </p>
<p>If your response was meant to challenge someone on how to define morality, then I believe a Philosophy professor is definitely the wrong person to challenge.</p>
<p>Plus, I believe your issue was addressed in (1).</p>
<p>You are right Chad when you say, &#8220;Your readers may not be as smart as you think they are.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo.. Last sentence of my first long paragraph should read:

....which I believe is a necessary condition to the pursuit of a virtuous life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo.. Last sentence of my first long paragraph should read:</p>
<p>&#8230;.which I believe is a necessary condition to the pursuit of a virtuous life.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some comments on here are particularly strong... but I understand where they&#039;re coming from.  The issue, I believe, is rooted in our tendencies as humans to not talk to each other when we are in disagreement.  We shut ourselves off from the other argument, whether intentionally or unintentionally.  The failure to communicate prevents us from moving forward, beyond our differences of opinion of what constitutes morally virtuous beliefs, behaviors, etc.  This is the main reason why it takes so long to convince someone that their views are possibly mistaken (or even ourselves for that matter). Some Philosophers will even argue that just because someone says or has a certain belief, it does not follow that they actually believe it.  Another issue is whether a person&#039;s belief formation process is rooted in false belief or poor evidence for their beliefs or self-deception (and I believe this applies to most of us as evidenced in research in cognitive psychology of human tendencies to rationalize: &quot;I deserve this&quot; etc etc). How obvious will this be to the average person? It has, in addition, been argued that reflection on our beliefs will enable us to make corrections as necessary (Cartesian), but most people do not seek objective, external sources of criticism (naturalist) in their beliefs which is believe is a necessary condition to the pursuit of a virtuous life.

What is needed is for us to find some common ground in our moral arguments, things that we can agree on in order to &quot;get our foot in the door&quot;, to get us talking because that is what we desperately need right now. I believe that that common ground is right in front of us, before our own eyes but we&#039;re all blinded by our egos, or whatever else, to see it. Equality, love, freedom, autonomy,...  

There are, in my opinion, objective and universal moral truths that can be arrived at through our arguments.
The solution to an argument is more argument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some comments on here are particularly strong&#8230; but I understand where they&#8217;re coming from.  The issue, I believe, is rooted in our tendencies as humans to not talk to each other when we are in disagreement.  We shut ourselves off from the other argument, whether intentionally or unintentionally.  The failure to communicate prevents us from moving forward, beyond our differences of opinion of what constitutes morally virtuous beliefs, behaviors, etc.  This is the main reason why it takes so long to convince someone that their views are possibly mistaken (or even ourselves for that matter). Some Philosophers will even argue that just because someone says or has a certain belief, it does not follow that they actually believe it.  Another issue is whether a person&#8217;s belief formation process is rooted in false belief or poor evidence for their beliefs or self-deception (and I believe this applies to most of us as evidenced in research in cognitive psychology of human tendencies to rationalize: &#8220;I deserve this&#8221; etc etc). How obvious will this be to the average person? It has, in addition, been argued that reflection on our beliefs will enable us to make corrections as necessary (Cartesian), but most people do not seek objective, external sources of criticism (naturalist) in their beliefs which is believe is a necessary condition to the pursuit of a virtuous life.</p>
<p>What is needed is for us to find some common ground in our moral arguments, things that we can agree on in order to &#8220;get our foot in the door&#8221;, to get us talking because that is what we desperately need right now. I believe that that common ground is right in front of us, before our own eyes but we&#8217;re all blinded by our egos, or whatever else, to see it. Equality, love, freedom, autonomy,&#8230;  </p>
<p>There are, in my opinion, objective and universal moral truths that can be arrived at through our arguments.<br />
The solution to an argument is more argument&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF Chad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF Chad?</p>
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		<title>By: Quasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, unfortunately too many people believe that their CHOSEN MORAL POSITION is something sacred and holy. In nearlyy all cases, that can never be true. Below is my list of items that one&#039;s &quot;moral or immoral&quot; positions does not grant to anyone. They must understand what they can do and CANNOT do with their ideals and goals assiciated with their position.

That said, every person who chooses a morla position does just that: THEY CHOOSE A MORAL STANCE. It does not choose them. And thusly, their choice affords them no special place or status in society. They need to get over themselves and quit listening to the brainwashing done by their “no-so-holy-than-thou” morality leaders.

So let it be known to everyone, moral or not, that because a person chooses their moral position, and adopts the ways and policies of their chosen belief system, their choice ABSOLUTELY:
(1) does NOT give them a superior moral position over anyone else.
(2) does NOT endow them with a monopoly on good, kind, ethical and high moral behavior,
(3) does NOT transfer to them a position of authority over any other human being.
(4) does NOT allow them to become judge and jury over any other person or group.
(5) does NOT grant them any privileges to spew hateful speech, to incite hateful actions, or to manifest hurtful actions or evil deeds against another.
(6) does NOT authorize them to act with discrimination, picking and choosing whom they believe to be virtuous and faultless, or the opposite.
(7) does NOT pardon them for their discriminatory behavior.
(8) does NOT authorize their so-called “moral” texts to have any superior status over the secular laws of the land.
(9) does NOT allocate to them any preferential status within the United States government or governments of the States or its local communities.
(10) does NOT allow them to act contrary to law, or against another person, without rebuke or reprisal.

Please take this list and apply it to every so they will begin to understand their status with our society. I do not wish to belittle their beliefs, but then again, I require that they do not diminish me or any other “suspect minority” which they may dispute. I demand to be treated with dignity, and they must comply, and according to law or court ruling, as the case may be.

Let it be written; let it be done, NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, unfortunately too many people believe that their CHOSEN MORAL POSITION is something sacred and holy. In nearlyy all cases, that can never be true. Below is my list of items that one&#8217;s &#8220;moral or immoral&#8221; positions does not grant to anyone. They must understand what they can do and CANNOT do with their ideals and goals assiciated with their position.</p>
<p>That said, every person who chooses a morla position does just that: THEY CHOOSE A MORAL STANCE. It does not choose them. And thusly, their choice affords them no special place or status in society. They need to get over themselves and quit listening to the brainwashing done by their “no-so-holy-than-thou” morality leaders.</p>
<p>So let it be known to everyone, moral or not, that because a person chooses their moral position, and adopts the ways and policies of their chosen belief system, their choice ABSOLUTELY:<br />
(1) does NOT give them a superior moral position over anyone else.<br />
(2) does NOT endow them with a monopoly on good, kind, ethical and high moral behavior,<br />
(3) does NOT transfer to them a position of authority over any other human being.<br />
(4) does NOT allow them to become judge and jury over any other person or group.<br />
(5) does NOT grant them any privileges to spew hateful speech, to incite hateful actions, or to manifest hurtful actions or evil deeds against another.<br />
(6) does NOT authorize them to act with discrimination, picking and choosing whom they believe to be virtuous and faultless, or the opposite.<br />
(7) does NOT pardon them for their discriminatory behavior.<br />
(8) does NOT authorize their so-called “moral” texts to have any superior status over the secular laws of the land.<br />
(9) does NOT allocate to them any preferential status within the United States government or governments of the States or its local communities.<br />
(10) does NOT allow them to act contrary to law, or against another person, without rebuke or reprisal.</p>
<p>Please take this list and apply it to every so they will begin to understand their status with our society. I do not wish to belittle their beliefs, but then again, I require that they do not diminish me or any other “suspect minority” which they may dispute. I demand to be treated with dignity, and they must comply, and according to law or court ruling, as the case may be.</p>
<p>Let it be written; let it be done, NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingo from Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingo from Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dr. Corvino; even if I sometimes may disagree with your viewpoint (which is seldom), I am compelled always to read your articles, if for no other reason, when I see the picture of your pretty face! Good article! Good guy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dr. Corvino; even if I sometimes may disagree with your viewpoint (which is seldom), I am compelled always to read your articles, if for no other reason, when I see the picture of your pretty face! Good article! Good guy!</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I always enjoy reading your articles.  Maybe you can do one on the word &quot;conservative&quot; the next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I always enjoy reading your articles.  Maybe you can do one on the word &#8220;conservative&#8221; the next time.</p>
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