November 8th, 2009
 

365 Gay: Opinion

Corvino: Are our opponents like segregationists?

, columnist, 365gay.com

In terms of gay-rights progress, brace yourself for a difficult year.

This is not because things are getting worse. It’s because the national conversation on gay-rights issues is getting harder.

One reason is that, as cliché as it sounds, we are more polarized than ever. Gone are the days when House Speaker Tip O’ Neill could lambaste President Reagan by day and play cards with him after 6 p.m.

It has become too easy to surround oneself solely with like-minded people. (The internet is one key factor.) The result is a bunch of echo chambers, where opponents seem not just wrong, but borderline-insane.

The second reason is that the gay community’s specific goals have shifted. We are no longer asking merely to be left alone, as when we were fighting sodomy laws and police harassment. Our central political goal, for better or for worse, has become marriage.

Marriage is not merely a private contract between two individuals. It is also an agreement between those individuals and the larger community. It requires, both legally and socially, that community’s support. And so the old “leave me alone” script no longer quite works.

A third reason the conversation is getting harder is that the gay community is at a crossroads regarding how we treat our opponents.

On the one hand we talk about reaching out, promoting dialogue, emphasizing common ground. On the other hand we are quick to label our opponents as hate-filled bigots.

This combination obviously won’t work. A bigot is someone whose views, virtually by definition, are beyond the pale of polite discussion.

One sees this contrast in the fracas over Obama’s choice of Pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration.

Compared to most evangelical pastors, Warren is a moderate, who focuses on common-ground issues such as poverty over the usual culture-war stuff.

But Warren supported Prop. 8, the California initiative that stripped marriage rights from gays and lesbians. (He has since suggested some possible support for civil unions.)

Obama’s camp is taking the “big tent” approach, acknowledging differences but emphasizing shared values. In a similar vein, Melissa Etheridge has opened a dialogue with Warren.

Most gay-rights leaders, by contrast, have decried Obama’s choice of Warren. As one friend put it, “it’s like inviting a segregationist to lead the invocation. ­I don’t care what other good things the guy has done.”

And there’s the rub: Warren does indeed espouse a “separate but equal” legal status for gays and lesbians (at best). Should we treat him the way we treat segregationists?

Before answering, remember that the majority of Californians, and a larger majority of the rest of the country, hold the same position as Warren on marriage. So does Obama himself (though he did oppose Prop. 8).

So in asking whether inviting Warren to lead the invocation is akin to inviting a segregationist to do so, we are also asking whether the vast majority of Americans are akin to segregationists.

It’s a painful question to confront. And the only fair answer is “yes and no.”

On the merits, yes. For practical purposes, no.

From where I stand, the arguments against marriage equality look about as bad as the arguments for segregation. They commit the same fallacies; they hide behind the same (selective reading of) scripture; they are often motivated by the same fears.

But I’m mindful of the fact that “from where I stand” includes decades of hindsight regarding segregation. The nation isn’t there yet on gay equality.

Today, nearly everyone finds the following sentiments repugnant:

“I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever FORBID the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”

The segregationist who wrote that?  Abraham Lincoln.

It is easy now to paint all segregationists as hatemongers, waving pitchforks and frothing at the mouth. Easy, but quite wrong.

The fact is that most segregationists were people not unlike, say, my grandmothers, both of whom were wonderful, loving, decent human beings, and both of whom – ­much to my embarrassment – ­opposed interracial marriage.

Their reasons had to do with tradition and the well-being of children. Sound familiar?

My grandmothers were not hatemongers. They were products of their time. So was Lincoln, so is Rick Warren, and so are you and I, more or less.

I don’t mean for a moment to let Rick Warren off the hook. He ought to know better. Maybe someday he will.

In the meantime, prepare yourself for a challenging 2009.

John Corvino, Ph.D. is an author, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit.

For over fifteen years he has traveled the country speaking on homosexuality and ethics. His writing has been featured in regional and national periodicals, at the online Independent Gay Forum, and in numerous scholarly anthologies. His column “The Gay Moralist” appears Fridays on 365gay.com.

For more about John Corvino, or to see clips from his “What’s Morally Wrong with Homosexuality?” DVD, visit www.johncorvino.com.


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  • Ramsey Said: January 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    • I always enjoy reading your articles, John. It’s nice to have intelligent, objective, responsible writing on this site.

  • Josh Said: January 9th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
    • @Michael

      A to the Men.

  • GrrrlRomeo Said: January 9th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
    • What makes now different from then is we have history. People know that being a bigot is wrong in general. The disconnect is that the opposition doesn’t see how their views are bigotted. So, we make the connection for them.

  • AG Said: January 9th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    • everett wrote:
      “Personally, I’ve always felt that the greatest challenge for gays and lesbians both personally and politically is in how we deal with the “nice and decent” folks who also happen to harbor anti-gay sentiments. I always find myself conflicted in how to deal with these types of (straight) people who are otherwise “good” persons but are against gay rights. I never know whether they’re really worth befriending or just ignoring. The problem is that there a whole lot of them…”

      So here’s my plan: I tell every last one of those “nice” people who campaign for my second-class citizenship that they can’t be part of my life because I love the bigot (”sinner”) and hate the bigotry (”sin”). They are still free to disagree with me; but it is NOT my job to make nice with people who smile while they grind a (legislative) boot in my face.

  • TANK Said: January 9th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    • So, in essence, you’re asking are most americans bigots. Your answer is yes and no. Yes, the argument goes, because they advocate discrimination concerning marriage inequality, but no because they are a product of their environments and upbringing, which you admit does not excuse them. So you’re explaining why they came to hold bigoted beliefs–a description of circumstance. So it seems yes and yes, not yes and no by your own argument.

      A lot of the suggestion for outreach and changing hearts and minds hinges upon the Aristotelian notiong of “being good”. People aren’t good because, as the story goes, they don’t know any better. It’s all a matter of ignorance of the good life. That’s a bit naive…many of these people cannot be “educated”. Bigotry is not a matter of education.

  • Mercedes Said: January 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
    • I am for standing our ground on what is right and equal. Civil Unions for everyone with same legal benefits and ceremonies at your Church of choice, calling it whatever you like.

      Taking the position of moving the Church out of the way to gain social equality consistent with our Constitutional guarantees is the way to go. It also calls those who say they are not against Gay equality to prove it.

      This way, we ask nothing from them…no term “marriage” just straight up equality. Standing on the position of “marriage” rights though correct is the hard way to go and may prevent years of real meaningful progress.

  • DeaninMI Said: January 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    • Michael, you deserve a standing ovation.

      I am sick and tired of gay men and women making excuses for those bigots who would deny us our basic rights!!!

      As for Warren, if you think he’s a “moderate”, then you are delusional, Corvino.

      For those of you who think calmly
      waiting for “the times” to change enough that straight people will hand us the right to marry, you are DEFINITELY delusional. It will never happen that way. (I am curious just how long you’re willing to wait, though…..10 years? 20? How about 50? Or have you resigned yourselves to never having the option in your lifetime???)

  • Lenworth Said: January 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    • This article is too true. Until the gay community realizes that peaceful perseverance is the only way to bring about real change, we won’t make any differences.
      When looking at other great civil rights movements, we can look at MLK himself and the NAACP and see. He constantly preached non violence and accepting your enemy even if he doesn’t accept you. Malcom X preached the “Any means neccessary” track. We obviously know which tactic worked in the end.
      What did fighting fire with fire get the black panthers or the Nation of Islam? Drugs, gang violence, and eventually a loss of major cultural power altogether.
      Next time somone calls you a fag or dyke on the street, smile back and say “I love you.” They’ll lose power and you’ll gain more.

  • Anonymous Said: January 9th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    • DeaninMI–you need to learn to read. Corvino did not call Warren a “moderate,” he said, “Compared to most evangelical pastors, Warren is a moderate, who focuses on common-ground issues such as poverty over the usual culture-war stuff.”

      This is like explaining that compared to the Grand Wizard of the KKK in 1960, George Wallace was a moderate. And, in the end, while it was obvious that Wallace remained a racist to the end, he was a fairly middleground racist with whom one could work. The KKK wanted to buy automatic weapons and mow down all African American activists.

      One can choose to lump all the bigots together, and one can lose the opportunity to create divisions within their ranks, enlist major figures in their ranks for one’s own purposes, and eventually forward one’s own positions.

      You can choose purity in your goals, or you can choose practicality–practicality will get you places. Purity of view would have you still sitting in jail on sodomy charges in the South.

      You take your pick–I’ll take practicality and getting something accomplished.

  • Brandy Said: January 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    • Corvino failed to mention that Warren compared his relationship to beastiality and incest. Etheridge flip-flopped all over the equality stage with a few words of flattery. The “love” that Warren speaks of is the same love the abusive husband says he has for his wife sitting next to him with two black eyes. Thanks, but no thanks!

  • TANK Said: January 9th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
    • Yeah, the black civil rights movement was so damn peaceful. Idiots.

      And yes, Corvino failed to mention blah blah blah. Corvino is ultimately a humean without Hume’s chutzpah or willingness to get involved in the fray…it makes him a diffident kind of moralist, who needs to explain why bigots are bigoted and try to empathize with them instead of condemn them with the harshest terminology imaginable. Don’t confuse that with intelligence, however…or a mercenary approach to winning at this point in history. Don’t you dare do that.

  • Mr. Coffee Said: January 9th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
    • John,

      Well put.

      I admit I was outraged by the choice of Rick Warren. I wrote a nastygram to the Obama team reflecting my view.

      However, I learned long ago in business that it is better to use outrage to motivate yourself to become smarter than the other guy – and sometimes being smarter than the other guy means winning over someone you detest in order to use his power to subvert his goals. It’s almost a ju-jitsu sort of thing.

      I know that’s not how you framed your discussion, but in the end that’s what it comes to.

      I don’t know if RW is decent people or not. He’s not acting in the capacity of anyone’s kind-hearted grandmum. I can accept all the bigoted kind-hearted grandmums in the world if they are not raising millions of dollars and actively working against my health and well being. It’s a difference of passive (and ignorant?) support and active attack.

      So, when RW acts in his public capacity to subvert my ability to live as others do, I must approach him as my enemy.

      Then, the question comes down to “what is the best way to defeat the enemy?”. As in Iraq, there is a tension in the Gay community between winning hearts and minds and subduing with shock and awe.

      We need to keep doing both.

  • James Martin Said: January 9th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    • It amazes me how we get behind someone to get him elected and then turn on him before he is even in office. Obama represents all Americans as president, not just gays. Doesn’t anyone in our community remember what it is like to be left out of the society? Seems like we better learn to be more tolerant. Otherwise, we are no better than than the Mr. Warren. In school I was taught the governing was the art of compromise to get the most done for greater good. I believe that still. However, ALREADY stabbing our first chance at real hope in the back is not very smart.

  • Darin Murray Said: January 9th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
    • Have to say Corvino is wrong. This isn’t just gay marriage. Warren is the opposite in almost every important way. There are others that would be better suited and still make inroads. This is a man that runs a church who only has two reason to allow divorce. Spousal abuse isn’t one of them.

      His so-called AIDS work in Africa is on par with Bush. Abstinence, gay hate to the extreme compared to America.

      I will give Obama a chance. But I won’t sit by quietly. I didn’t do it with Reagan, won’t with Obama. And as just an American, Obama is doing a few things I am not happy about. BUT I will give him a chance. BUT I won’t sit by like a Log Cabin Republican and shake my tail when Obama throws me a few scraps off the American table. I’m talking hate crimes, ENDA as well as AIDS funding.

  • Randy Said: January 9th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    • Regarding Warren, I think until his ties with minister Martin Ssempa in Uganda are investigated, it’s way too premature to call him a “moderate” anything.

 
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