Comments on: Besen: The raw energy of post-Prop 8 http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/ The daily news source for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:48:18 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: William Aley http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31491 William Aley Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:51:03 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31491 After years of phone calls asking to just open my wallet and give, most necessary in the not so dim past of obscurity, or attending an expensive dinner designed for motivate to donate, and after a long period of what seems like the just give more era. It was refreshing to walk in the ominous dark clouds bearing down on DC, to be amongst home made signs and grass root energy and rain soaked determination. There is a demand to be included. I was heartened to be amongst the young, who are seeking an opportunity for their relationships to be recognized, for a chance to live in an open civil society and be acknowledged as participants. After years of phone calls asking to just open my wallet and give, most necessary in the not so dim past of obscurity, or attending an expensive dinner designed for motivate to donate, and after a long period of what seems like the just give more era. It was refreshing to walk in the ominous dark clouds bearing down on DC, to be amongst home made signs and grass root energy and rain soaked determination. There is a demand to be included. I was heartened to be amongst the young, who are seeking an opportunity for their relationships to be recognized, for a chance to live in an open civil society and be acknowledged as participants.

]]> By: DeGuyz http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31383 DeGuyz Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:47:05 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31383 It will be a happy day when the warrior's no longer have to put their lives in harms way against these morons. I still feel that the undisclosed sector on this movement will one day cast their votes on all of our behalfs in their own private way and help in bringing this endless debate to a equal resolve for all. It will be a happy day when the warrior’s no longer have to put their lives in harms way against these morons. I still feel that the undisclosed sector on this movement will one day cast their votes on all of our behalfs in their own private way and help in bringing this endless debate to a equal resolve for all.

]]> By: Arthur http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31357 Arthur Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:15:11 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31357 While the gay political class attended DC and nationwide cocktail parties to raise money, and put their names in contention for government jobs, they forgot their mission. GLBT rights. It’s The Constitution, stupid. Not who you know. It is time to exact resignations from our faux power elite. They have failed to organize a grass roots effort, despite their membership in the Democratic Party. They have failed to educate the general populace in the difference between a civil marriage and a religious marriage. They have failed to make us full citizens. The notion HRC has been waiting for the right time is nonsense. They wait while thye fail us. While the gay political class attended DC and nationwide cocktail parties to raise money, and put their names in contention for government jobs, they forgot their mission.

GLBT rights. It’s The Constitution, stupid. Not who you know.

It is time to exact resignations from our faux power elite. They have failed to organize a grass roots effort, despite their membership in the Democratic Party. They have failed to educate the general populace in the difference between a civil marriage and a religious marriage. They have failed to make us full citizens.

The notion HRC has been waiting for the right time is nonsense. They wait while thye fail us.

]]> By: LOrion http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31298 LOrion Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:22:23 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31298 Good opening piece, for more: read Kate Kendalls post mortem: nytimes.com/2008/11/20/us/politics/20transition.html?hp Where she compares post Nov 4 with Kubler-Rosses 5 STAGES of Grief, (having herself lost 3 family members last year.) Kate Calles ours SHOCK, ANGER, BLAME, ACTION, RESOLVE. "If there was ever any doubt that we are a movement, that has been put to rest. If there was ever any suspicion that we are too complacent to organize and show our outrage and our resolve, that suspicion has been obliterated. This has been a very dark time...it is becoming clear to me as I pull myself out of the pall that this community is not about to remain silent, we are not going to slip back, we are not going back into any closet, anywhere. We are resolved to never take our equality, anywhere, for granted. With all due respect to Kubler-Ross, there will never be acceptance.   I appreciate being included in your fight. STR8 Against H8 Good opening piece, for more: read Kate Kendalls post mortem: nytimes.com/2008/11/20/us/politics/20transition.html?hp
Where she compares post Nov 4 with Kubler-Rosses 5 STAGES of Grief, (having herself lost 3 family members last year.)
Kate Calles ours SHOCK, ANGER, BLAME, ACTION, RESOLVE.
“If there was ever any doubt that we are a movement, that has been put to rest. If there was ever any suspicion that we are too complacent to organize and show our outrage and our resolve, that suspicion has been obliterated. This has been a very dark time…it is becoming clear to me as I pull myself out of the pall that this community is not about to remain silent, we are not going to slip back, we are not going back into any closet, anywhere. We are resolved to never take our equality, anywhere, for granted.
With all due respect to Kubler-Ross, there will never be acceptance.
 
I appreciate being included in your fight.
STR8 Against H8

]]> By: Pati http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31297 Pati Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:00:55 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31297 I am one of the new faces you talk about. I joined you at the Dobson protest in Chicago (one of the two lesbians that were there early from 30 miles outside the city that recognized you from your picture on this site). I joined the massive crowd a week later on November 15th for the National protest and I am ready to represent again whenever and wherever I am needed. I have a selfish reason for this, I don't want to leave my state to marry the love of my life when I know it will mean nothing when we come back home to Illinois. This new wave of activism is about much more than the recent anti gay legislation that was passed 2 weeks ago. This is about fighting for our rights and demanding them for gay people all over this country. We can no longer accept second class status. I am out and I am proud and that's how we all need to be. They can keep their shame and guilt. We have had enough of it!!!!!!!!! I am one of the new faces you talk about. I joined you at the Dobson protest in Chicago (one of the two lesbians that were there early from 30 miles outside the city that recognized you from your picture on this site). I joined the massive crowd a week later on November 15th for the National protest and I am ready to represent again whenever and wherever I am needed. I have a selfish reason for this, I don’t want to leave my state to marry the love of my life when I know it will mean nothing when we come back home to Illinois. This new wave of activism is about much more than the recent anti gay legislation that was passed 2 weeks ago. This is about fighting for our rights and demanding them for gay people all over this country. We can no longer accept second class status. I am out and I am proud and that’s how we all need to be. They can keep their shame and guilt. We have had enough of it!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Jen Marcus http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31266 Jen Marcus Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:05:44 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31266 Yes, its time to take our message for our equality and civil rights to the streets of America! Being silently passive aggressive will not win or secure our rights. For starters, I propose that we boycott and refuse to support finically, and otherwise, any and all of the corporations, religious, secular, political, social institutions and organizations and individuals that aided and abetted in the passage of these discriminatory laws, practices and amendments. All this in conjunction with timed and synchronized strikes and marches coupled with flooding news editorial pages, E-blogs, and letters to politicos all over this nation demanding our civil rights. We must be Heard , Accepted, Recognized, Respected and Reckoned with ! Enough is Enough: this is our Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of the majority! Yes, its time to take our message for our equality and civil rights to the streets of America! Being silently passive aggressive will not win or secure our rights. For starters, I propose that we boycott and refuse to support finically, and otherwise, any and all of the corporations, religious, secular, political, social institutions and organizations and individuals that aided and abetted in the passage of these discriminatory laws, practices and amendments. All this in conjunction with timed and synchronized strikes and marches coupled with flooding news editorial pages, E-blogs, and letters to politicos all over this nation demanding our civil rights. We must be Heard , Accepted, Recognized, Respected and Reckoned with ! Enough is Enough: this is our Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of the majority!

]]> By: barb http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31241 barb Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:31:27 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31241 I completely agree; they have energized our movement in ways we could only have hoped for! To see a nationwide, even worldwide response to the California Yes on 8 vote is truly amazing and encouraging. We couldn't have asked for people to take this kind of action; they have to want it from their hearts and minds. We won't be content with just "pride parades" anymore; we're taking to the streets until we have true equality! Here's hoping that the California Supreme Court puts an end to discrimination immediately with their decision re Prop 8's constitutionality. We won't just "get over it" as much as the "yes on 8" folks might like; we're just getting warmed up! I completely agree; they have energized our movement in ways we could only have hoped for! To see a nationwide, even worldwide response to the California Yes on 8 vote is truly amazing and encouraging. We couldn’t have asked for people to take this kind of action; they have to want it from their hearts and minds. We won’t be content with just “pride parades” anymore; we’re taking to the streets until we have true equality! Here’s hoping that the California Supreme Court puts an end to discrimination immediately with their decision re Prop 8’s constitutionality. We won’t just “get over it” as much as the “yes on 8″ folks might like; we’re just getting warmed up!

]]> By: Wayne http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-the-raw-energy-of-post-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-31240 Wayne Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:29:41 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=4285#comment-31240 It really was nice to see so many within the younger generation stepping into the role of activist. It really was nice to see so many within the younger generation stepping into the role of activist.

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