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		<title>By: ps2os2</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/opinion/besen-a-deficit-in-decency/comment-page-1/#comment-73285</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne:

It is not sophomoric conduct it is the Republicans at their best. They have shown their true colors and they are worse than what should be expected from intelligent people. I wouldn&#039;t even expect this from a 6th grader. The republicans have truly sunk to a new low. 

What I cannot figure out is why seemingly other intelligent Republicans do not come out (no pun meant) and distance themselves from this type of lowly person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne:</p>
<p>It is not sophomoric conduct it is the Republicans at their best. They have shown their true colors and they are worse than what should be expected from intelligent people. I wouldn&#8217;t even expect this from a 6th grader. The republicans have truly sunk to a new low. </p>
<p>What I cannot figure out is why seemingly other intelligent Republicans do not come out (no pun meant) and distance themselves from this type of lowly person.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="501707448">Lenworth O'neal Poyser</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="501707448">Lenworth O'neal Poyser</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said? What&#039;s next? We better have extra security at that march in oct, is all im saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said? What&#8217;s next? We better have extra security at that march in oct, is all im saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Yhitzak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yhitzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media gives people what they want, and people want extremism right now, either to participate in or to observe from the safety of their living rooms. Politics has become more entertaining than anything Hollywood can dole out, and we are eating it all up with glee. When will it stop? How many people have to lose their lives before the rest of us acknowledge that our thirst for extremism is fueling this fire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media gives people what they want, and people want extremism right now, either to participate in or to observe from the safety of their living rooms. Politics has become more entertaining than anything Hollywood can dole out, and we are eating it all up with glee. When will it stop? How many people have to lose their lives before the rest of us acknowledge that our thirst for extremism is fueling this fire?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and spot on. I wish the media was more responsible and I do believe that the republican&#039;s have stirred a pot that they no longer have control over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and spot on. I wish the media was more responsible and I do believe that the republican&#8217;s have stirred a pot that they no longer have control over.</p>
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		<title>By: fwilms</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwilms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a fantastic column and for having the guts to put this out there, especially the part about the media not taking responsibility by accompanying the crackpot rants with the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a fantastic column and for having the guts to put this out there, especially the part about the media not taking responsibility by accompanying the crackpot rants with the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook user:  I think you are referring to &quot;let the people vote&quot; arguments about civil rights.  I&#039;m not sure what constitution or history book you are reading but we in fact do not live in a majority vote environment.

In this country majority vote decides some things but not many.  It decides who represents us but in many cases they need super majorities, filibuster or veto proof majorities or simply a feeling of consensus before leadership will put something to a majority vote.

However all this activity is done by our representatives.  We do not in general allow the majority to decide on civil rights and many other things because of what you say:  the average public is not enlightened at all.

now of course we witness this get derailed with crazy things like the constitution in California and Maine which seem to allow majority vote on civil rights (as interpreted by some...i don&#039;t agree).

Giving into &quot;let the people vote&quot; legitimizes claims to the rights of the majority to control everything.  Our founders knew this would be stupid and avoided it whenever they could. Unfortunatley some states have allowed it but it clearly was not intentional and needs to be corrected.  Let&#039;s not give up by conceding we&#039;ve already lost!

James:  thanks for pointing out the current Republicans are not conservative.  As a conservative I don&#039;t have a party.  I&#039;m too young to have ever had a good Republican party,(the southern baptists liberalized the party when I was a mere child and yes the religious right is LIBERAL not conservative for wanting to control everything we do) the libertarians seem to be infiltrated with the crazies you cite above (and they seem to carry the same bigotry baggage as current Republicans, not acting very libertarian at all w.r.t. rights) and all the other options just want to take my money and spend it on the lazy classes.

It is sad we don&#039;t have a party that represents what I think a majority of Americans feel:  stay out of our lives, quit being the morality police and stop expanding government so much that we can&#039;t afford to do what we should be doing like providing better healthcare options.

Everyone talks about the &quot;moderate center&quot;...I think that &quot;center&quot; is actually quite libertarian and would take in moderate lefties and righties if expressed in the way I did.

But with religion erasing conservatism in the Republican party and rampant expansionist ideals invading the Democratic party, I think people have lost sight of the common ground many of us share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook user:  I think you are referring to &#8220;let the people vote&#8221; arguments about civil rights.  I&#8217;m not sure what constitution or history book you are reading but we in fact do not live in a majority vote environment.</p>
<p>In this country majority vote decides some things but not many.  It decides who represents us but in many cases they need super majorities, filibuster or veto proof majorities or simply a feeling of consensus before leadership will put something to a majority vote.</p>
<p>However all this activity is done by our representatives.  We do not in general allow the majority to decide on civil rights and many other things because of what you say:  the average public is not enlightened at all.</p>
<p>now of course we witness this get derailed with crazy things like the constitution in California and Maine which seem to allow majority vote on civil rights (as interpreted by some&#8230;i don&#8217;t agree).</p>
<p>Giving into &#8220;let the people vote&#8221; legitimizes claims to the rights of the majority to control everything.  Our founders knew this would be stupid and avoided it whenever they could. Unfortunatley some states have allowed it but it clearly was not intentional and needs to be corrected.  Let&#8217;s not give up by conceding we&#8217;ve already lost!</p>
<p>James:  thanks for pointing out the current Republicans are not conservative.  As a conservative I don&#8217;t have a party.  I&#8217;m too young to have ever had a good Republican party,(the southern baptists liberalized the party when I was a mere child and yes the religious right is LIBERAL not conservative for wanting to control everything we do) the libertarians seem to be infiltrated with the crazies you cite above (and they seem to carry the same bigotry baggage as current Republicans, not acting very libertarian at all w.r.t. rights) and all the other options just want to take my money and spend it on the lazy classes.</p>
<p>It is sad we don&#8217;t have a party that represents what I think a majority of Americans feel:  stay out of our lives, quit being the morality police and stop expanding government so much that we can&#8217;t afford to do what we should be doing like providing better healthcare options.</p>
<p>Everyone talks about the &#8220;moderate center&#8221;&#8230;I think that &#8220;center&#8221; is actually quite libertarian and would take in moderate lefties and righties if expressed in the way I did.</p>
<p>But with religion erasing conservatism in the Republican party and rampant expansionist ideals invading the Democratic party, I think people have lost sight of the common ground many of us share.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1039072315">Gerry Fisher</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1039072315">Gerry Fisher</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was working in corporate America, we had a term for the Obama administration&#039;s failing this summer. We called it a &quot;poor roll out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was working in corporate America, we had a term for the Obama administration&#8217;s failing this summer. We called it a &#8220;poor roll out.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1039072315">Gerry Fisher</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1039072315">Gerry Fisher</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I’m all for trying to reach out and make people who don’t understand understand, but at this point we are quite honestly past that, and that makes me sadder then I can possibly describe.

I too am feeling a very, VERY deep sadness about all of this. It&#039;s affected a few friendships of mine, disrupted at least one party, and resulted in me losing two nights of sleep over it. I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one really saddened by the way the political discourse turned this past year (maybe &quot;continued to turn&quot; or &quot;strengthened in its entrenchment&quot; would be better phrases).

I&#039;m coming to the conclusion that it&#039;s useless to talk to people who are already on board with this anti-government thing, and I&#039;d like to implore the anti-government cynics on the Left to ratchet down their own rhetoric, too. Instead, I think we should understand that politics today is about marketing and PR. It&#039;s about the group that gets out there the earliest, the strongest, and with the most concise and catchy sound bites. Then, repeat frequently!

It&#039;s a battle for the apathetic Middle. If the Left can ratchet up its PR and get it going much, MUCH earlier, and if we can concentrate on swaying the Middle, we&#039;ll win.

Obama&#039;s failing was not in the plan or the behind the scenes politics. It was in his oddly passive allowance of the Tea Baggers to get out strong for months this summer with no equally strong, coherent, catchy PR response in favor of health-care reform. (Was I the only one who wanted to take a 2x4 to Kathleen Sebelius as she stood stone faced, silent, and defeated in front of screaming tea baggers? We needed more Barney Frank style, &quot;On what planet do you live?&quot; types. How could the administration NOT have been prepared for this?!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I’m all for trying to reach out and make people who don’t understand understand, but at this point we are quite honestly past that, and that makes me sadder then I can possibly describe.</p>
<p>I too am feeling a very, VERY deep sadness about all of this. It&#8217;s affected a few friendships of mine, disrupted at least one party, and resulted in me losing two nights of sleep over it. I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one really saddened by the way the political discourse turned this past year (maybe &#8220;continued to turn&#8221; or &#8220;strengthened in its entrenchment&#8221; would be better phrases).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming to the conclusion that it&#8217;s useless to talk to people who are already on board with this anti-government thing, and I&#8217;d like to implore the anti-government cynics on the Left to ratchet down their own rhetoric, too. Instead, I think we should understand that politics today is about marketing and PR. It&#8217;s about the group that gets out there the earliest, the strongest, and with the most concise and catchy sound bites. Then, repeat frequently!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a battle for the apathetic Middle. If the Left can ratchet up its PR and get it going much, MUCH earlier, and if we can concentrate on swaying the Middle, we&#8217;ll win.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s failing was not in the plan or the behind the scenes politics. It was in his oddly passive allowance of the Tea Baggers to get out strong for months this summer with no equally strong, coherent, catchy PR response in favor of health-care reform. (Was I the only one who wanted to take a 2&#215;4 to Kathleen Sebelius as she stood stone faced, silent, and defeated in front of screaming tea baggers? We needed more Barney Frank style, &#8220;On what planet do you live?&#8221; types. How could the administration NOT have been prepared for this?!)</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1039072315">Gerry Fisher</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1039072315">Gerry Fisher</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson Cooper does a very good job of journalism in this interview:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html

He merely scratched the surface, and The Crazy came screaming out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson Cooper does a very good job of journalism in this interview:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html</a></p>
<p>He merely scratched the surface, and The Crazy came screaming out.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about Michael Steele, the antigay ex-governor Ehrlich&#039;s lt. gov. So glad he didn&#039;t get to be our MD state governor.

Man with a harsh and antagonistic &quot;barking dog&quot; accent. And antigay.

It&#039;s just like an African American female member of Congress said, &quot;You may not like the president and may not agree with him, but he is the guest of Congress and you treat your guest with respect. The president is not the president of the Republicans or is not the president of the Democrats, he is the president of the United States and when he addresses Congress, you at least respect the office of the president of the United States. There is a certain decorum that needs to observed.&quot;

I thought good for her. What if there were no decorum and Democrat congressmen and congresswomen could just freely stand up and should insults when a Republican president addresses the Congress? You may revile the person and his or her message, but if you can&#039;t respect the person, at least you should respect that your guest in Congress represents an office of president of United States. While president is there, you don&#039;t stand up and call him or her insults. You grit you teeth and know that your will have plenty of opportunity later to challenge the logic of his or her message and of the bills she or he (meaning any president not just this particular one) support amongst your fellow senators or representatives. You can get mad and irate all you want and tell of how this or that bill will doom the economy or the country, but you don&#039;t call your president a &quot;liar&quot;. You just punch his or her logic full of holes instead after his or her speech is over and she or he is gone from the chambers and you make your case to the American people and to the rest of Congress as to why you will not and can not support what a president wants. That way you preserve the dignity of Congress and of the office of the presidency of the US from you own mouth while stating you opposition regardless of the rest of the nation thinks.

As a Congressperson, you are allowed to object and disagree all you like while preserving a proper decorum and respect and a decent standard of behavior at the same time. It has been done and is possible to do that while speaking your mind freely at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about Michael Steele, the antigay ex-governor Ehrlich&#8217;s lt. gov. So glad he didn&#8217;t get to be our MD state governor.</p>
<p>Man with a harsh and antagonistic &#8220;barking dog&#8221; accent. And antigay.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like an African American female member of Congress said, &#8220;You may not like the president and may not agree with him, but he is the guest of Congress and you treat your guest with respect. The president is not the president of the Republicans or is not the president of the Democrats, he is the president of the United States and when he addresses Congress, you at least respect the office of the president of the United States. There is a certain decorum that needs to observed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought good for her. What if there were no decorum and Democrat congressmen and congresswomen could just freely stand up and should insults when a Republican president addresses the Congress? You may revile the person and his or her message, but if you can&#8217;t respect the person, at least you should respect that your guest in Congress represents an office of president of United States. While president is there, you don&#8217;t stand up and call him or her insults. You grit you teeth and know that your will have plenty of opportunity later to challenge the logic of his or her message and of the bills she or he (meaning any president not just this particular one) support amongst your fellow senators or representatives. You can get mad and irate all you want and tell of how this or that bill will doom the economy or the country, but you don&#8217;t call your president a &#8220;liar&#8221;. You just punch his or her logic full of holes instead after his or her speech is over and she or he is gone from the chambers and you make your case to the American people and to the rest of Congress as to why you will not and can not support what a president wants. That way you preserve the dignity of Congress and of the office of the presidency of the US from you own mouth while stating you opposition regardless of the rest of the nation thinks.</p>
<p>As a Congressperson, you are allowed to object and disagree all you like while preserving a proper decorum and respect and a decent standard of behavior at the same time. It has been done and is possible to do that while speaking your mind freely at the same time.</p>
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