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		<title>By: Rodney Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By their fruits, ye shall know them&quot; 

When those cute young Mormon missionaries come to our doors, bringing their Books of Mormon to give potential new converts they often quote this scripture from the Gospel of Mathew, 7:16 to be exact. Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be exact, love to show off their good works. Their prophet and founder Joseph Smith broke with the protestant tradition of &quot;By faith alone&quot;. He and Mormons believe that not only must you believe in Jesus Christ, the Book of Mormon and the ordinances (aka sacraments) of the church but also must do good among men. And this doing good among men, is what our Mormon friends, neighbors and acquaintances take seriously. Those Mormon missionaries with their white shirts and black pants bicycling around sharing the Gospel according to Joseph Smith, are the most public face of their church. They try to do good, they offer to volunteer, help elderly people go to and from the pharmacy, help people moving in and out, they hold doors open and they do all of this with a genuine smile on their face and a desire to do good. As they preach their newer, more complete and restored Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Joseph Smith, they have a tough time selling to people that Native Americans are lost tribes of Jews who fled just before the Babylonian Captivity and that Jesus Christ after his Crucifixion appeared resurrected to these same Native American Jews as Quezacoatl. So more often than not, Mormons fall back on this scripture in the Book of Mathew as a means of validating themselves to potential converts who are likely skeptical of Joseph Smith&#039;s revelation.

The Mormon Church, very much like the Roman Catholic Church, recognizes that gay and lesbian people do not choose to be gay. Their current and former President (or Pope) has acknowledged scientific evidence that homosexuality is not and has never been a choice. But despite this the church still views homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and sex between same-sex couples as wrong. Far be it for me to tell Mormons what to believe, but here&#039;s why this matters to the rest of us. While Mormons seek the full protection of the First Amendment&#039;s protection of Freedom of Religion, due to their own history of persecution, they themselves don&#039;t feel obliged to respect the freedoms of others, particularly the Freedom to Marry, which gay and lesbian Californians had prior to Proposition 8. The Mormon church didn&#039;t simply preach their version of marriage in their own churches, chapels and temples, they used their church&#039;s vast resources and deliberately meddled in the political affairs of California, breaking not only federal law, but violating the sanctity and dignity of marriages between same-sex couples. By doing this, the Mormon church spread a campaign of deliberate lies, telling the voters of California that Prop 8 was not about being anti-gay, but pro-family. Marriage equality never threatened traditional heterosexual marriage it only extended the current legal definition to include same-sex couples, in accordance with the equal protection clause of both the federal and Californian Constitutions. The Mormon church lied, bore false witness, used its funds in complete contradiction of federal law and even it&#039;s own church doctrine. For gay and lesbian people, particularly married couples or couples on the verge of marriage, the Mormon fruit that is being born is not one of love and kindness but of hatred, intolerance and malevolent intervention in the private contractual affairs of people.

Mormons are wondering why there is so much venom, so much anger, so much hatred being shown to them. They need only look in the mirror, for those Mormons who didn&#039;t support Prop 8 and haven&#039;t ever harbored homophobia, they need to look at their church leadership. The Mormon church is getting the Lion&#039;s Share of the attention, because they donated the Lion&#039;s share of the Yes on Prop 8 money. &quot;What thou sowest thou shalt also reap&quot;, Mormons have no one but themselves to blame for the venom being shown their way, for they sowed the seed of intolerance, bigotry and hatred. Gay and lesbian people have justifiably grown tired of religious based attacks on themselves and their rights. And we&#039;re judging Mormons by their fruits, and those fruits are bigotry, intolerance, malicious and slanderous lies. And as long as Mormons continue in their quest to force and legislate their beliefs on what marriage should be, gays and lesbians will be there to stop them.

Rodney Moore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By their fruits, ye shall know them&#8221; </p>
<p>When those cute young Mormon missionaries come to our doors, bringing their Books of Mormon to give potential new converts they often quote this scripture from the Gospel of Mathew, 7:16 to be exact. Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be exact, love to show off their good works. Their prophet and founder Joseph Smith broke with the protestant tradition of &#8220;By faith alone&#8221;. He and Mormons believe that not only must you believe in Jesus Christ, the Book of Mormon and the ordinances (aka sacraments) of the church but also must do good among men. And this doing good among men, is what our Mormon friends, neighbors and acquaintances take seriously. Those Mormon missionaries with their white shirts and black pants bicycling around sharing the Gospel according to Joseph Smith, are the most public face of their church. They try to do good, they offer to volunteer, help elderly people go to and from the pharmacy, help people moving in and out, they hold doors open and they do all of this with a genuine smile on their face and a desire to do good. As they preach their newer, more complete and restored Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Joseph Smith, they have a tough time selling to people that Native Americans are lost tribes of Jews who fled just before the Babylonian Captivity and that Jesus Christ after his Crucifixion appeared resurrected to these same Native American Jews as Quezacoatl. So more often than not, Mormons fall back on this scripture in the Book of Mathew as a means of validating themselves to potential converts who are likely skeptical of Joseph Smith&#8217;s revelation.</p>
<p>The Mormon Church, very much like the Roman Catholic Church, recognizes that gay and lesbian people do not choose to be gay. Their current and former President (or Pope) has acknowledged scientific evidence that homosexuality is not and has never been a choice. But despite this the church still views homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and sex between same-sex couples as wrong. Far be it for me to tell Mormons what to believe, but here&#8217;s why this matters to the rest of us. While Mormons seek the full protection of the First Amendment&#8217;s protection of Freedom of Religion, due to their own history of persecution, they themselves don&#8217;t feel obliged to respect the freedoms of others, particularly the Freedom to Marry, which gay and lesbian Californians had prior to Proposition 8. The Mormon church didn&#8217;t simply preach their version of marriage in their own churches, chapels and temples, they used their church&#8217;s vast resources and deliberately meddled in the political affairs of California, breaking not only federal law, but violating the sanctity and dignity of marriages between same-sex couples. By doing this, the Mormon church spread a campaign of deliberate lies, telling the voters of California that Prop 8 was not about being anti-gay, but pro-family. Marriage equality never threatened traditional heterosexual marriage it only extended the current legal definition to include same-sex couples, in accordance with the equal protection clause of both the federal and Californian Constitutions. The Mormon church lied, bore false witness, used its funds in complete contradiction of federal law and even it&#8217;s own church doctrine. For gay and lesbian people, particularly married couples or couples on the verge of marriage, the Mormon fruit that is being born is not one of love and kindness but of hatred, intolerance and malevolent intervention in the private contractual affairs of people.</p>
<p>Mormons are wondering why there is so much venom, so much anger, so much hatred being shown to them. They need only look in the mirror, for those Mormons who didn&#8217;t support Prop 8 and haven&#8217;t ever harbored homophobia, they need to look at their church leadership. The Mormon church is getting the Lion&#8217;s Share of the attention, because they donated the Lion&#8217;s share of the Yes on Prop 8 money. &#8220;What thou sowest thou shalt also reap&#8221;, Mormons have no one but themselves to blame for the venom being shown their way, for they sowed the seed of intolerance, bigotry and hatred. Gay and lesbian people have justifiably grown tired of religious based attacks on themselves and their rights. And we&#8217;re judging Mormons by their fruits, and those fruits are bigotry, intolerance, malicious and slanderous lies. And as long as Mormons continue in their quest to force and legislate their beliefs on what marriage should be, gays and lesbians will be there to stop them.</p>
<p>Rodney Moore</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised no one has carved the letter &quot;G&quot; into the Mormons faces. This is ridiculous. I bet if they investigated who sent this &quot;powder&quot; they&#039;d find it was an inside job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one has carved the letter &#8220;G&#8221; into the Mormons faces. This is ridiculous. I bet if they investigated who sent this &#8220;powder&#8221; they&#8217;d find it was an inside job.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our long-term strategy should be to separate the issue of religion from that of marriage.  What we&#039;re arguing for is the right to enter into a legal contract with whom we choose.  Strip the issue down to this and I believe we will win sooner rather than later and it will probably be through the courts.  

In a nutshell, these religious zealots are terrified that they will be forced to allow us into their churches.  Horrors!  Let&#039;s peaceably assure them that we want nothing to do with them.  I understand the anger toward the Mormons, especially since they&#039;re behaving so disingenuously in regard to this mess (we had nothing to do with it, the voters spoke, blah blah), and believe me I feel it too, but if we resort to violence we lose.  Personally I agree that this whole powder thing sounds like a hoax, much more their style than ours, and I will be absolutely delighted to bits if the FBI pins in on the LDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our long-term strategy should be to separate the issue of religion from that of marriage.  What we&#8217;re arguing for is the right to enter into a legal contract with whom we choose.  Strip the issue down to this and I believe we will win sooner rather than later and it will probably be through the courts.  </p>
<p>In a nutshell, these religious zealots are terrified that they will be forced to allow us into their churches.  Horrors!  Let&#8217;s peaceably assure them that we want nothing to do with them.  I understand the anger toward the Mormons, especially since they&#8217;re behaving so disingenuously in regard to this mess (we had nothing to do with it, the voters spoke, blah blah), and believe me I feel it too, but if we resort to violence we lose.  Personally I agree that this whole powder thing sounds like a hoax, much more their style than ours, and I will be absolutely delighted to bits if the FBI pins in on the LDS.</p>
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		<title>By: geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the church or religion, they really have no business in a secular decision. Marriage is being represented by these religions as a christian biblical design, how untrue, women are not property as stated in the bible, nor do we marry slaves when we get them pregnant, no do we have many wives. Marriage is a changing thing, always has been. I don&#039;t care how a church institutionalizes it, it is a civil, secular, state recognition that grants state/federal benefits. If churches want to get politically involved, they need to give up non-profit status and pay taxes on the money they receive. They need to register as a political organization and follow the rules. As for the powder thing, perhaps they need to look at themselves, for instigation and also attempts to make it look as though they are being persecuted. Religion is a private matter, lets keep it that way. Christianity in the US has become a pushy joke to most people. By the way, we need to blast the Catholic church too, being a recovering Catholic myself, I can say this church is also guilty of the sin of hate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the church or religion, they really have no business in a secular decision. Marriage is being represented by these religions as a christian biblical design, how untrue, women are not property as stated in the bible, nor do we marry slaves when we get them pregnant, no do we have many wives. Marriage is a changing thing, always has been. I don&#8217;t care how a church institutionalizes it, it is a civil, secular, state recognition that grants state/federal benefits. If churches want to get politically involved, they need to give up non-profit status and pay taxes on the money they receive. They need to register as a political organization and follow the rules. As for the powder thing, perhaps they need to look at themselves, for instigation and also attempts to make it look as though they are being persecuted. Religion is a private matter, lets keep it that way. Christianity in the US has become a pushy joke to most people. By the way, we need to blast the Catholic church too, being a recovering Catholic myself, I can say this church is also guilty of the sin of hate!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have studied history you would know that marriage &quot;rights&quot; were taken away from Mormons. They practiced polygamy and the law of the land, from Washington, took that away from them. I think they would understand the feeling of having &quot;rights&quot; taken away from you. I also think they don&#039;t see marriage as a right. After all they can&#039;t marry more than one wife because of the law and you can&#039;t marry your cousin under the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have studied history you would know that marriage &#8220;rights&#8221; were taken away from Mormons. They practiced polygamy and the law of the land, from Washington, took that away from them. I think they would understand the feeling of having &#8220;rights&#8221; taken away from you. I also think they don&#8217;t see marriage as a right. After all they can&#8217;t marry more than one wife because of the law and you can&#8217;t marry your cousin under the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that you are right, Randy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that you are right, Randy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/white-powder-sent-to-mormon-temples-in-utah-la/comment-page-2/#comment-30158</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is: Were the envelopes sent to the Mormon offices sent by Gay Marriage advocates? If so, it is the wrong message to send.

Or, Were they sent by Anti-Gay proponents attempting to &#039;demonize&#039; gays by such negative and threatening actions. Such actions have been done in the past.

Either scenario are irresponsible and certainly hurts the cause of Gay Marriage advocates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is: Were the envelopes sent to the Mormon offices sent by Gay Marriage advocates? If so, it is the wrong message to send.</p>
<p>Or, Were they sent by Anti-Gay proponents attempting to &#8216;demonize&#8217; gays by such negative and threatening actions. Such actions have been done in the past.</p>
<p>Either scenario are irresponsible and certainly hurts the cause of Gay Marriage advocates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin - I agree that you are probably right in your assertion, but since we don&#039;t know for sure one way or another - it is best to inform some GLBT people who might let their anger push them toward poor judgment to hold back. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Feds determine it was an inside job. The poster who said it was cocaine from the pastor&#039;s prostitute boyfriend was pretty funny though! Let&#039;s keep it focused and productive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin &#8211; I agree that you are probably right in your assertion, but since we don&#8217;t know for sure one way or another &#8211; it is best to inform some GLBT people who might let their anger push them toward poor judgment to hold back. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Feds determine it was an inside job. The poster who said it was cocaine from the pastor&#8217;s prostitute boyfriend was pretty funny though! Let&#8217;s keep it focused and productive!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/white-powder-sent-to-mormon-temples-in-utah-la/comment-page-1/#comment-30131</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times in the past have we seen this same kind of crap ? No matter who the perpetrator was, a church, or religion as a whole, Prop 8 was a &#039;terrorist&#039; act that was passed against the gay minority based solely on fear and lies. 

How does a &#039;terrorist&#039; organization take the heat off of themselves and their own &#039;terrorist act&#039; ? They create an imaginary &#039;terrorist response&#039; big enough to provide shelter so that their own &#039;terrorist&#039; actions move to the background/past.

This, plain and simple, is a no-brainer folks... how many times has this scenario been replayed in the last eight years... suddenly... gasp !... &#039;anthrax&#039; filled envelopes make a grand re-appearance... GASP !!! ... COULD IT BE THOSE GAY TERRORIST&#039;S ???... Those rabid Aids infected GAYS coming to GET those innocent straight Mormons... and GASP... the CHILDREN !!!!... BOOOOOOO!!!

Sorry, but the Mormons need to pull their head out if they think this tune hasn&#039;t been played before, and is seen as anything more or less than YET ANOTHER attempt to play the &#039;gettin really old boogie-man card&#039; that we ALL should easily be able to see through by now.

Truth is, either the Mormon Church, or someone in the Mormon Church &#039;planted&#039; these envelopes to get the Feds/Homeland Security involved to take the heat off of themselves &amp; move the terrorist label from themselves to the gay population at large. 

Just one more case of a &#039;terrorist&#039; organization terrorizing those that fail to &#039;conform&#039; to their doctrine, and then, when the victim&#039;s rise up against the tyrany of the terrorist to defend themselves and their right&#039;s, the terrorist then plays the oldest magician trick in the book... create an illusion where the perpetrator becomes the victim, and the victim becomes the perpetrator... nothing new here !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times in the past have we seen this same kind of crap ? No matter who the perpetrator was, a church, or religion as a whole, Prop 8 was a &#8216;terrorist&#8217; act that was passed against the gay minority based solely on fear and lies. </p>
<p>How does a &#8216;terrorist&#8217; organization take the heat off of themselves and their own &#8216;terrorist act&#8217; ? They create an imaginary &#8216;terrorist response&#8217; big enough to provide shelter so that their own &#8216;terrorist&#8217; actions move to the background/past.</p>
<p>This, plain and simple, is a no-brainer folks&#8230; how many times has this scenario been replayed in the last eight years&#8230; suddenly&#8230; gasp !&#8230; &#8216;anthrax&#8217; filled envelopes make a grand re-appearance&#8230; GASP !!! &#8230; COULD IT BE THOSE GAY TERRORIST&#8217;S ???&#8230; Those rabid Aids infected GAYS coming to GET those innocent straight Mormons&#8230; and GASP&#8230; the CHILDREN !!!!&#8230; BOOOOOOO!!!</p>
<p>Sorry, but the Mormons need to pull their head out if they think this tune hasn&#8217;t been played before, and is seen as anything more or less than YET ANOTHER attempt to play the &#8216;gettin really old boogie-man card&#8217; that we ALL should easily be able to see through by now.</p>
<p>Truth is, either the Mormon Church, or someone in the Mormon Church &#8216;planted&#8217; these envelopes to get the Feds/Homeland Security involved to take the heat off of themselves &amp; move the terrorist label from themselves to the gay population at large. </p>
<p>Just one more case of a &#8216;terrorist&#8217; organization terrorizing those that fail to &#8216;conform&#8217; to their doctrine, and then, when the victim&#8217;s rise up against the tyrany of the terrorist to defend themselves and their right&#8217;s, the terrorist then plays the oldest magician trick in the book&#8230; create an illusion where the perpetrator becomes the victim, and the victim becomes the perpetrator&#8230; nothing new here !</p>
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		<title>By: TigerTzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>TigerTzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the white powder was cocaine or crystal meth sent by one of their leader&#039;s prostitute boyfriends.</description>
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