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		<title>By: Rumple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 02:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lure is the correct word since it is pretty much a bad situation which will catch up to them (Anglican converts) soon. Technically, this is not a &quot;conversion&quot; for goodness sakes, both are of the same religion! This would really just be a way for the Roman church to beef up it&#039;s ranks of priests who would still be required to be celibate. I would bet you that what will exist is a tiered system of priests which would lead to celibates being &quot;favored&quot; over married ones. Married priests would never qualify for Cardinal, and therefore Papacy! That&#039;s right! I am SURE that&#039;s what will happen so Church of England (COE) conservatives need to grow up, wipe the dribble off their chins, accept the Good News, and get on with it inside the COE and accept your gay brothers and sisters as worthy of the priesthood, as well as accept women as worthy of the priesthood as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lure is the correct word since it is pretty much a bad situation which will catch up to them (Anglican converts) soon. Technically, this is not a &#8220;conversion&#8221; for goodness sakes, both are of the same religion! This would really just be a way for the Roman church to beef up it&#8217;s ranks of priests who would still be required to be celibate. I would bet you that what will exist is a tiered system of priests which would lead to celibates being &#8220;favored&#8221; over married ones. Married priests would never qualify for Cardinal, and therefore Papacy! That&#8217;s right! I am SURE that&#8217;s what will happen so Church of England (COE) conservatives need to grow up, wipe the dribble off their chins, accept the Good News, and get on with it inside the COE and accept your gay brothers and sisters as worthy of the priesthood, as well as accept women as worthy of the priesthood as well!</p>
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		<title>By: MJoseOC</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-75120</link>
		<dc:creator>MJoseOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you anglicans don&#039;t mind having your kids&#039; wee-wee in some old virgin&#039;s mouth while having the holy father&#039;s finger up his hoo-hoo then be my guest. 

Rome is an evil institution that lives on the submission not to spiritual liturgy but to a few members of the italian mafia whose goal is to take over our banking system and dominate europe by way of the creation of the EU and America by this step as stated in the article. The vatican&#039;s goal is a new world order where the pope will be the pseudo head of state. The black pope (the pupet master) is counting on the failure of our current economic system by having his jesuit soldiers who control 75% of the federal reserve via the london banks that loan money for the printing of US dollars, once the economy fails the world will go into another dark age and the most powerful bankers will secure all the wealth with their cronies in rome. My friends, this is something so complex, I know, but yet so beyond than the gay issue; we must be aware of the ever growing power of the church which is a threat to our basic liberty as gay and lesbian Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you anglicans don&#8217;t mind having your kids&#8217; wee-wee in some old virgin&#8217;s mouth while having the holy father&#8217;s finger up his hoo-hoo then be my guest. </p>
<p>Rome is an evil institution that lives on the submission not to spiritual liturgy but to a few members of the italian mafia whose goal is to take over our banking system and dominate europe by way of the creation of the EU and America by this step as stated in the article. The vatican&#8217;s goal is a new world order where the pope will be the pseudo head of state. The black pope (the pupet master) is counting on the failure of our current economic system by having his jesuit soldiers who control 75% of the federal reserve via the london banks that loan money for the printing of US dollars, once the economy fails the world will go into another dark age and the most powerful bankers will secure all the wealth with their cronies in rome. My friends, this is something so complex, I know, but yet so beyond than the gay issue; we must be aware of the ever growing power of the church which is a threat to our basic liberty as gay and lesbian Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond H. Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-75108</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond H. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The center of the Anglican Communion will hold; it always does. 

There was a schism in the 1890s (I believe it was) ... the &quot;Reformed Episcopal Church&quot; marched out over prayers for the dead and &quot;catholic&quot; ceremonial ... all that was left of them until the present Troubles was a few empty churches (mostly in the Philadelphia area) and a few ancient &quot;cardinal rectors.&quot; They picked up a few members from the more recent Troubles.

The schism in 1976 generated more than 15 breakaway bodies; by their own count, they number less than 3500 souls in all FIFTEEN (!). 

The largest parish, where I had the misfortune of being organist for a number of years (family to feed and all that) is St. Matthew&#039;s Anglican Catholic Church in Orange County, CA. They have 350 members.

The newer schismatic Anglican Province of North America is GROSSLY inflating their numbers. There are SUBSTANTIAL groups in the dioceses of Pittsburgh and Ft. Worth who have NO intention of leaving. The dioceses of Quincy and San Joaquin were small weak dioceses that had ALREADY split from their parent dioceses. Quincy has something like 17 PARISHES *total*, none of them large.

Dallas is threatening to leave ECUSA, but I think the unanimous rulings of various courts that the properties and endowments belong to the national Church (per the &quot;Dennis Canon&quot; passed by the General Convention back in the 1970s, I think it was) will give them pause.

St. James &quot;Nigerian Anglican Church&quot; (or whatever they are) in Newport Beach CA, where the American Anglican Council started, is going to lose their brand-new multi-million dollar church, which they built as an act of defiance of ECUSA.

Frankly, one of the BIGGEST problems Rome is going to have with married Anglican priests who swim the Tiber is SUPPORTING them and their families.

Anglican rectors make upwards of $100K per annum in wealthy parishes, and some of these parishes ARE wealthy, though they&#039;re likely to LOSE all that if they go to Rome. 

US Roman pastors make something like $900/mo plus room &amp; board (in a common rectory) and healthcare. 

No Anglican is going to be able to support a family on THAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The center of the Anglican Communion will hold; it always does. </p>
<p>There was a schism in the 1890s (I believe it was) &#8230; the &#8220;Reformed Episcopal Church&#8221; marched out over prayers for the dead and &#8220;catholic&#8221; ceremonial &#8230; all that was left of them until the present Troubles was a few empty churches (mostly in the Philadelphia area) and a few ancient &#8220;cardinal rectors.&#8221; They picked up a few members from the more recent Troubles.</p>
<p>The schism in 1976 generated more than 15 breakaway bodies; by their own count, they number less than 3500 souls in all FIFTEEN (!). </p>
<p>The largest parish, where I had the misfortune of being organist for a number of years (family to feed and all that) is St. Matthew&#8217;s Anglican Catholic Church in Orange County, CA. They have 350 members.</p>
<p>The newer schismatic Anglican Province of North America is GROSSLY inflating their numbers. There are SUBSTANTIAL groups in the dioceses of Pittsburgh and Ft. Worth who have NO intention of leaving. The dioceses of Quincy and San Joaquin were small weak dioceses that had ALREADY split from their parent dioceses. Quincy has something like 17 PARISHES *total*, none of them large.</p>
<p>Dallas is threatening to leave ECUSA, but I think the unanimous rulings of various courts that the properties and endowments belong to the national Church (per the &#8220;Dennis Canon&#8221; passed by the General Convention back in the 1970s, I think it was) will give them pause.</p>
<p>St. James &#8220;Nigerian Anglican Church&#8221; (or whatever they are) in Newport Beach CA, where the American Anglican Council started, is going to lose their brand-new multi-million dollar church, which they built as an act of defiance of ECUSA.</p>
<p>Frankly, one of the BIGGEST problems Rome is going to have with married Anglican priests who swim the Tiber is SUPPORTING them and their families.</p>
<p>Anglican rectors make upwards of $100K per annum in wealthy parishes, and some of these parishes ARE wealthy, though they&#8217;re likely to LOSE all that if they go to Rome. </p>
<p>US Roman pastors make something like $900/mo plus room &amp; board (in a common rectory) and healthcare. </p>
<p>No Anglican is going to be able to support a family on THAT.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Simonds</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-75061</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Simonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why any anglican would want to move to the Roman Catholic Church, they seem to have totally different views on how ones faith work. The Anglican belief system is best described a three legged stool with includes tradion, biblical teaching and logic all of which are equally important (as focusing on some more then the other causes the &quot;stool&quot; or the faith to be shaky and fall over)  The Catholic church seems to be faith based on the words and orders of one man. one man (the pope) is the ultimate power, where his word is as important as the word of god, (sounds a littler heretical to me) 
then again I don&#039;t believe that the Anglican Church is in as dire a straight as the Catholic Church officials seem to want to paint it, the Anglican church has a history of being able to put up with differences in theological view and views on the official direction of the church (a good example of that is the divide in the US around the time of the Civil war over slavery) I think all the catholic church will achieve is gaining some of the already splinter ultra conservative parishes (who when the split lose all their property so this offer if it comes with access to a church would make it appealing) on the other hand it may cause some exudes of the more liberal catholic flock when it becomes clear that the Catholic church is becoming far more radically hardline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why any anglican would want to move to the Roman Catholic Church, they seem to have totally different views on how ones faith work. The Anglican belief system is best described a three legged stool with includes tradion, biblical teaching and logic all of which are equally important (as focusing on some more then the other causes the &#8220;stool&#8221; or the faith to be shaky and fall over)  The Catholic church seems to be faith based on the words and orders of one man. one man (the pope) is the ultimate power, where his word is as important as the word of god, (sounds a littler heretical to me)<br />
then again I don&#8217;t believe that the Anglican Church is in as dire a straight as the Catholic Church officials seem to want to paint it, the Anglican church has a history of being able to put up with differences in theological view and views on the official direction of the church (a good example of that is the divide in the US around the time of the Civil war over slavery) I think all the catholic church will achieve is gaining some of the already splinter ultra conservative parishes (who when the split lose all their property so this offer if it comes with access to a church would make it appealing) on the other hand it may cause some exudes of the more liberal catholic flock when it becomes clear that the Catholic church is becoming far more radically hardline.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig in AZ</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-75015</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....And the Catholic &quot;Church&quot; continues to slowly circle the drain... Good riddance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..And the Catholic &#8220;Church&#8221; continues to slowly circle the drain&#8230; Good riddance!</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-75013</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blah blah blah the bigots move from one cult of oppression to a worse one, having noticed their current one oppresses not enough.

Imagine being quoted as being stark raving mad, to the point of leaving the church you supposedly devoted your life to, over the inclusion of women in the workforce?  These men are simply pigs.

And the celibate thing just cracks me up.  Its like DADT.  We&#039;ve already learned many of them are far, far from celibate.

Can&#039;t wait to book my tickets to Rome for the fabulous auction of all that stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blah blah blah the bigots move from one cult of oppression to a worse one, having noticed their current one oppresses not enough.</p>
<p>Imagine being quoted as being stark raving mad, to the point of leaving the church you supposedly devoted your life to, over the inclusion of women in the workforce?  These men are simply pigs.</p>
<p>And the celibate thing just cracks me up.  Its like DADT.  We&#8217;ve already learned many of them are far, far from celibate.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to book my tickets to Rome for the fabulous auction of all that stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: pinkfone</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-75012</link>
		<dc:creator>pinkfone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bad move for the Anglican Church!  It should keep as far away as possible from the Arch Homophobe of Rome and his ilk!  It would be better siding itself with the Swedish Lutheran Church which is more liberal than most, not putting itself back under the yok of Rome!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bad move for the Anglican Church!  It should keep as far away as possible from the Arch Homophobe of Rome and his ilk!  It would be better siding itself with the Swedish Lutheran Church which is more liberal than most, not putting itself back under the yok of Rome!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James M. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-74990</link>
		<dc:creator>James M. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is perhaps the most cynical pronouncement of the Roman Crutch -- I mean, Church -- in its long disgraceful history.  It partakes of unsurpassed hypocrisy and a willingness to use issues especially hot in non-Catholic countries in pitiful attempts to gain converts.

In the first place, as has been doccumented, the Church knows that many if not most priests in Europe are secretly married; in effect, the supposed strictness of abstinence have been quietly relaxed in those countries, while in the United States -- and to a somewhat lesser degree in Latin American countries -- the only supposedly celibate priests are pederastic homosexuals.

As a surviving Episcopalean I must say the Anglicans could be diving from the frying pan into the pits of hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is perhaps the most cynical pronouncement of the Roman Crutch &#8212; I mean, Church &#8212; in its long disgraceful history.  It partakes of unsurpassed hypocrisy and a willingness to use issues especially hot in non-Catholic countries in pitiful attempts to gain converts.</p>
<p>In the first place, as has been doccumented, the Church knows that many if not most priests in Europe are secretly married; in effect, the supposed strictness of abstinence have been quietly relaxed in those countries, while in the United States &#8212; and to a somewhat lesser degree in Latin American countries &#8212; the only supposedly celibate priests are pederastic homosexuals.</p>
<p>As a surviving Episcopalean I must say the Anglicans could be diving from the frying pan into the pits of hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne M.</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-74972</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditionally, the Anglican/Episcopalian communion has believed that controversial theological and other issues must be discussed within the church, not set down from above.  Anglicans moving to the Roman Catholic church will have to face the fact they are moving to a church that demands obedience to Rome and the Pope above all things.  Very traditional Roman Catholics also oppose married priests and relaxing rules of celibacy, and they want a return to the traditional liturgies of the Council of Trent.  With this move to capitalize on differences in other churches, they will have to accept reforms they have opposed since Vatican II.  The Vatican may find this dishonesty and opportunism only causes  causes more problems than it solves.  The Roman Catholic Church continues to defy Christ&#039;s command to bring ALL people unto Him, not just all people except women and those who are from the LGBT community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditionally, the Anglican/Episcopalian communion has believed that controversial theological and other issues must be discussed within the church, not set down from above.  Anglicans moving to the Roman Catholic church will have to face the fact they are moving to a church that demands obedience to Rome and the Pope above all things.  Very traditional Roman Catholics also oppose married priests and relaxing rules of celibacy, and they want a return to the traditional liturgies of the Council of Trent.  With this move to capitalize on differences in other churches, they will have to accept reforms they have opposed since Vatican II.  The Vatican may find this dishonesty and opportunism only causes  causes more problems than it solves.  The Roman Catholic Church continues to defy Christ&#8217;s command to bring ALL people unto Him, not just all people except women and those who are from the LGBT community.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Quir</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/vatican-offer-may-lure-church-of-england-priests/comment-page-1/#comment-74968</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Quir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most inclusive church will win in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most inclusive church will win in the end.</p>
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