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		<title>By: Dave W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan, good for you for speaking out.  The last time I had them come (before prop 8) my husband answered the door.  I asked from a room away who it was, he said the Mormons.  I was in my underwear (it was early on a weekend) but I still ran to the door and yelled we are gay, married and your parents are brainwashing you, making you do this on the weekend.  They tried to walk away but I screamed at them as they walked down the sidewalk &quot;brainwashed lemmings..it is child abuse what your parents are doing&quot;.  I guess I prefer to instill the &quot;fear of god&quot; into them instead of being polite, but firm, as you were.

However, Morgan, please don&#039;t fool yourself about your church.  You apologize for church evil by predicating your comment with &quot;liberal&quot; and &quot;gay friendly&quot;.  Sure, that may be needed in your town to get members, but the Anglican church is involved in bigotry at its highest levels and Ms. Jefri-Schors is complicit in allowing Akinola to subvert her authority here in her territory.  Rowan Williams is not speaking out against the bigotry but rather trying to appease it.

If that doesn&#039;t make you angry enough to divert your donations to a non-evil SECULAR charity, I suggest you read the new testament.  If you support the destruction, hatred, demonization of humanity in that evil book than I guess you should keep tithing.

Funding evil and convincing yourself that its ok because your money stays &quot;local&quot; and &quot;clean&quot; is simply hypocritical.  Give to a secular charity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan, good for you for speaking out.  The last time I had them come (before prop <img src='http://www.365gay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> my husband answered the door.  I asked from a room away who it was, he said the Mormons.  I was in my underwear (it was early on a weekend) but I still ran to the door and yelled we are gay, married and your parents are brainwashing you, making you do this on the weekend.  They tried to walk away but I screamed at them as they walked down the sidewalk &#8220;brainwashed lemmings..it is child abuse what your parents are doing&#8221;.  I guess I prefer to instill the &#8220;fear of god&#8221; into them instead of being polite, but firm, as you were.</p>
<p>However, Morgan, please don&#8217;t fool yourself about your church.  You apologize for church evil by predicating your comment with &#8220;liberal&#8221; and &#8220;gay friendly&#8221;.  Sure, that may be needed in your town to get members, but the Anglican church is involved in bigotry at its highest levels and Ms. Jefri-Schors is complicit in allowing Akinola to subvert her authority here in her territory.  Rowan Williams is not speaking out against the bigotry but rather trying to appease it.</p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t make you angry enough to divert your donations to a non-evil SECULAR charity, I suggest you read the new testament.  If you support the destruction, hatred, demonization of humanity in that evil book than I guess you should keep tithing.</p>
<p>Funding evil and convincing yourself that its ok because your money stays &#8220;local&#8221; and &#8220;clean&#8221; is simply hypocritical.  Give to a secular charity!</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Mormon missionaries were on my front doorsteps one night as I predicted would happen sooner or later. 

Wearing their &quot;trademark&quot; black plastic &quot;Elder&quot; so and so nametag, white shirt, tie and black suit short-haired and relentlessly clean-shaven with not even a shadow allowed, just like in the movie, &quot;Latter Days&quot; and just like in everyday life for them. And they always come to your front door two at a time. I see these white young men together riding on bikes in my area almost once every week or two.

One spoke to me, &quot;I am Elder so and so, and we are missionaries from the Church of Latter Day Saints&quot; (Mormons to me) and I said with Prop H8 still very much on my mind,  &quot;Why are you here?&quot;

&quot;To talk about Jesus Christ&quot;.

I told him, &quot;I have Jesus. You are not welcome here because you contributed to Prop 8. Leave, go&quot;.

They said nothing and left.

Mormons to be good standing I believe are required to give and likely most every Mormon place has contributed to Yes on Prop H8. 

So, I wanted them gone. 

Now, if they are on a 2-year mission away from their families and not allowed to call or to write home if that script in that movie as uttered by Elder Davis play by straight actor Steve Sandvoss is fact for these young men.

If most of their daylight and evening hours are spent on being missionaries and no time working any kind of job, the church has to be paying their way for every last thing down to every single meal they eat and they likely have no money of their own. So that no secular influences or distractions for them are allowed while on 2-year missions it is pretty much mostly all business and no nonsense for them.

So, how can these Mormon young men be having money to tithe or contribute to anything? 

But to me, they represent antigayness, inequality and one of the driving forces behind funding Yes on Prop H8. Those 2 things is why I wanted them gone. And I just can&#039;t wrap myself around calling everyone Elder (last name) and Sister (last name) to everyone.

In my liberal, gay-friendly, equality-minded Episcopal church, everyone is on first name basis only, even our female preacher goes by her first name. And that is the way I prefer it.

Everything we contribute to is positive and helps those outside of our church in hunger and in need.

What the Mormons contributed to by contrast was horrible and destructive for many thousands of couples and no one gay or straight gains from it.

Just one wedding alone typical involves spending on a quite a variety of things, plus causing family members, friends and guest to do a bunch of their own spending on hairstyles, clothes, travel, hotels X thousands of other gay and straight couples and those attending their events causing each of the them a temporary windfall on in spending on a bunch of stuff you think would be a dream come true for a state in economic need. And then the newlywed couple typically leaves on a honeymoon trip, leaving even more big money behind here and there.

That these people and others of like mind just wound up bringing more economic hardship to economically hard-pressed CA by bringing a halt to potentially thousands more of people spending big on a whole big range of stuff for their wedding day.

The next missionary duo will get the same earful about Prop H8. Each and every one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Mormon missionaries were on my front doorsteps one night as I predicted would happen sooner or later. </p>
<p>Wearing their &#8220;trademark&#8221; black plastic &#8220;Elder&#8221; so and so nametag, white shirt, tie and black suit short-haired and relentlessly clean-shaven with not even a shadow allowed, just like in the movie, &#8220;Latter Days&#8221; and just like in everyday life for them. And they always come to your front door two at a time. I see these white young men together riding on bikes in my area almost once every week or two.</p>
<p>One spoke to me, &#8220;I am Elder so and so, and we are missionaries from the Church of Latter Day Saints&#8221; (Mormons to me) and I said with Prop H8 still very much on my mind,  &#8220;Why are you here?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;To talk about Jesus Christ&#8221;.</p>
<p>I told him, &#8220;I have Jesus. You are not welcome here because you contributed to Prop 8. Leave, go&#8221;.</p>
<p>They said nothing and left.</p>
<p>Mormons to be good standing I believe are required to give and likely most every Mormon place has contributed to Yes on Prop H8. </p>
<p>So, I wanted them gone. </p>
<p>Now, if they are on a 2-year mission away from their families and not allowed to call or to write home if that script in that movie as uttered by Elder Davis play by straight actor Steve Sandvoss is fact for these young men.</p>
<p>If most of their daylight and evening hours are spent on being missionaries and no time working any kind of job, the church has to be paying their way for every last thing down to every single meal they eat and they likely have no money of their own. So that no secular influences or distractions for them are allowed while on 2-year missions it is pretty much mostly all business and no nonsense for them.</p>
<p>So, how can these Mormon young men be having money to tithe or contribute to anything? </p>
<p>But to me, they represent antigayness, inequality and one of the driving forces behind funding Yes on Prop H8. Those 2 things is why I wanted them gone. And I just can&#8217;t wrap myself around calling everyone Elder (last name) and Sister (last name) to everyone.</p>
<p>In my liberal, gay-friendly, equality-minded Episcopal church, everyone is on first name basis only, even our female preacher goes by her first name. And that is the way I prefer it.</p>
<p>Everything we contribute to is positive and helps those outside of our church in hunger and in need.</p>
<p>What the Mormons contributed to by contrast was horrible and destructive for many thousands of couples and no one gay or straight gains from it.</p>
<p>Just one wedding alone typical involves spending on a quite a variety of things, plus causing family members, friends and guest to do a bunch of their own spending on hairstyles, clothes, travel, hotels X thousands of other gay and straight couples and those attending their events causing each of the them a temporary windfall on in spending on a bunch of stuff you think would be a dream come true for a state in economic need. And then the newlywed couple typically leaves on a honeymoon trip, leaving even more big money behind here and there.</p>
<p>That these people and others of like mind just wound up bringing more economic hardship to economically hard-pressed CA by bringing a halt to potentially thousands more of people spending big on a whole big range of stuff for their wedding day.</p>
<p>The next missionary duo will get the same earful about Prop H8. Each and every one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-governor-supports-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-43040</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>through a spokesperson that he supports civil unions

His spokesperson Lisa Roskelley  told The Salt Lake City Tribune on Tuesday that in addition to supporting same-sex marriage


Is it civil unions or is it marriage?

I&#039;m glad it&#039;s at least one, but which?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>through a spokesperson that he supports civil unions</p>
<p>His spokesperson Lisa Roskelley  told The Salt Lake City Tribune on Tuesday that in addition to supporting same-sex marriage</p>
<p>Is it civil unions or is it marriage?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s at least one, but which?</p>
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		<title>By: Dermot</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-governor-supports-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-42979</link>
		<dc:creator>Dermot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excommunication hearings follow a hierarchy.  First it is a matter for the bishop of his congregation.  I doubt the governor will be excommunicated or disfellowshipped any time soon.  It&#039;s actually much easier to get fired/banned from church jobs and universities for such views.  But the governorship is a state position.  Besides, when things are running *properly*, the church is supposed to allow individuals to have and practice their own political decisions and not tell them how to vote.  Which makes the recent controversies of the past several years all the more ironic and disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excommunication hearings follow a hierarchy.  First it is a matter for the bishop of his congregation.  I doubt the governor will be excommunicated or disfellowshipped any time soon.  It&#8217;s actually much easier to get fired/banned from church jobs and universities for such views.  But the governorship is a state position.  Besides, when things are running *properly*, the church is supposed to allow individuals to have and practice their own political decisions and not tell them how to vote.  Which makes the recent controversies of the past several years all the more ironic and disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: ABQkevin</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-governor-supports-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-42934</link>
		<dc:creator>ABQkevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait for the LDS excommunication hearing to begin for the wayward Gov. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait for the LDS excommunication hearing to begin for the wayward Gov. . .</p>
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