Comments on: Utah gay rights bills get off to bad start http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/ The daily news source for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:48:35 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dermot http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-41105 Dermot Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:27:27 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-41105 I believe many of you are missing the point. You cannot oppose an *entire* category of human beings, as this is as hurtful and capricious as those who oppose all gay people. Since the majority of Utah Mormons are right-wing or far-right, support moderate and liberal Mormons, and for the love of everything that is good in this world, support gay Mormons themselves (and there are many). I read that they have a 1 in 3 suicide rate, which is completely unacceptable for any social group in the world. Places with some of the *worst* records on gay dignity (like Utah) need our attention the *most*. Great causes like gay marriage in California are truly noble and must be fought, but compared to places like Utah, Nigeria, Russia and Syria, California is a gay paradise. Don't forget the LGBT brothers and sisters who need it most. I believe many of you are missing the point. You cannot oppose an *entire* category of human beings, as this is as hurtful and capricious as those who oppose all gay people. Since the majority of Utah Mormons are right-wing or far-right, support moderate and liberal Mormons, and for the love of everything that is good in this world, support gay Mormons themselves (and there are many). I read that they have a 1 in 3 suicide rate, which is completely unacceptable for any social group in the world. Places with some of the *worst* records on gay dignity (like Utah) need our attention the *most*. Great causes like gay marriage in California are truly noble and must be fought, but compared to places like Utah, Nigeria, Russia and Syria, California is a gay paradise. Don’t forget the LGBT brothers and sisters who need it most.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-41021 Thomas Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:37:44 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-41021 Social conditioning and religious dogma have turned this into a nation of idiots, and Utah is the imperial capital of dolts. Social conditioning and religious dogma have turned this into a nation of idiots, and Utah is the imperial capital of dolts.

]]> By: Alexander http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-41013 Alexander Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:14:31 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-41013 do we really think utah is going to do anything for the LGBT community? its the ****ing land of the mormons! do we really think utah is going to do anything for the LGBT community? its the ****ing land of the mormons!

]]> By: Roger http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-40940 Roger Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:46:20 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-40940 This is Utah, so no one should expect any decent treatment for a minority....the isolated, out of touch leadership of the Mormon church dictates otherwise and that leadership runs, not only the church, but the government as well, under threat and political interference. Look at what they managed to do in California thru church leadership directives and church funds. Boycott this state and ignore it. This is Utah, so no one should expect any decent treatment for a minority….the isolated, out of touch leadership of the Mormon church dictates otherwise and that leadership runs, not only the church, but the government as well, under threat and political interference. Look at what they managed to do in California thru church leadership directives and church funds. Boycott this state and ignore it.

]]> By: JayC http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-40896 JayC Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:49:32 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-40896 I think gay rights groups are spending way too much time and money on polls. Their results seem to be either unrealistic, or at least irrelevant. I think gay rights groups are spending way too much time and money on polls. Their results seem to be either unrealistic, or at least irrelevant.

]]> By: Dermot http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-40895 Dermot Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:42:47 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-40895 Well, being a very liberal gay Mormon associated with Affirmation ( support group that accepts the LGBT nature of gay Mormons - http://www.affirmation.org/ ), I have to say that while the issue of Utah anti-gay attitudes is highly tied to the Mormon culture, and even many at the highest levels of the faith can (albeit with unfailing politeness) reveal attitudes not much better in this regard, it is really more of a deeply-ingrained Utah cultural thing. They use religion to justify their hate, but so does almost everyone who is fervently religious and hates gay people or any other group. Though a small minority, there are certainly free-thinking Mormons who love and accept gay people and don't think they're doing anything wrong whatsoever. They would probably face cold ostracism for their views in many a Mormon community, but it goes to show that Mormons are not completely unanymous in this attitude. And, to be honest, as someone who has supported gay rights issues as fervently as just about anyone else, it seems insensitive to hear so many fellow LGBT people make sweeping statements about entire broad categories of human beings. This is exactly the kind of error gay-bashers make. If you're angry at Mormons for being anti-gay, then don't alienate those Mormons who believe just as truly in equal rights for straight and LGBT alike, such as http://www.mormonsformarriage.com/ . Well, being a very liberal gay Mormon associated with Affirmation ( support group that accepts the LGBT nature of gay Mormons – http://www.affirmation.org/ ), I have to say that while the issue of Utah anti-gay attitudes is highly tied to the Mormon culture, and even many at the highest levels of the faith can (albeit with unfailing politeness) reveal attitudes not much better in this regard, it is really more of a deeply-ingrained Utah cultural thing. They use religion to justify their hate, but so does almost everyone who is fervently religious and hates gay people or any other group. Though a small minority, there are certainly free-thinking Mormons who love and accept gay people and don’t think they’re doing anything wrong whatsoever. They would probably face cold ostracism for their views in many a Mormon community, but it goes to show that Mormons are not completely unanymous in this attitude. And, to be honest, as someone who has supported gay rights issues as fervently as just about anyone else, it seems insensitive to hear so many fellow LGBT people make sweeping statements about entire broad categories of human beings. This is exactly the kind of error gay-bashers make. If you’re angry at Mormons for being anti-gay, then don’t alienate those Mormons who believe just as truly in equal rights for straight and LGBT alike, such as http://www.mormonsformarriage.com/ .

]]> By: Jamie http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-40889 Jamie Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:55:58 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-40889 Of course this would happen in Utah. Mormons lead against gay marriage in a state that wasn't even their own, so of course in a state with a high Mormon population this would happen. http://stuffqueerpeopleneedtoknow.wordpress.com/ Of course this would happen in Utah. Mormons lead against gay marriage in a state that wasn’t even their own, so of course in a state with a high Mormon population this would happen.

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]]> By: Albemar http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-40885 Albemar Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:35:48 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-40885 Utah is a very hateful state, full of hateful people. It doesn't sound nice, but its true. They just smile to your face while they stab you in the back. I know, we live here. Stay away if you know what is good for you. The Mormons constantly use their religion as the reason to discriminate against people who are different than themselves and then wonder why everyone around them feels disenfranchised. They then go why do you not like my church? They constantly bring in their own problems and then cry victim any chance they get. Utah is a very hateful state, full of hateful people. It doesn’t sound nice, but its true. They just smile to your face while they stab you in the back.

I know, we live here. Stay away if you know what is good for you. The Mormons constantly use their religion as the reason to discriminate against people who are different than themselves and then wonder why everyone around them feels disenfranchised. They then go why do you not like my church? They constantly bring in their own problems and then cry victim any chance they get.

]]> By: Chris Sullivan http://www.365gay.com/news/utah-gay-rights-bills-get-off-to-bad-start/comment-page-1/#comment-40876 Chris Sullivan Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:06:00 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=5094#comment-40876 The two senators who voted against this should be ashamed of themselves. I don't expect much from "Utah" and, sad to say, they did not disappoint. The two senators who voted against this should be ashamed of themselves. I don’t expect much from “Utah” and, sad to say, they did not disappoint.

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