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		<title>By: ps2os2</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/texas-liquor-cops-rarely-disciplined/comment-page-1/#comment-73535</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said it before that the police people would not be disciplined for this. Shortly after that a policemen does a job of using electrical shock on a 80+ year old grand mother. He was never (that I heard) punished for that. My nephew lives in Dallas and he actually thought the policeman had done a good job on the grandmother. He is no longer on my good relative list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said it before that the police people would not be disciplined for this. Shortly after that a policemen does a job of using electrical shock on a 80+ year old grand mother. He was never (that I heard) punished for that. My nephew lives in Dallas and he actually thought the policeman had done a good job on the grandmother. He is no longer on my good relative list.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Everett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Florida. A state where you have no legal recourse for any type of sexual orientation discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Florida. A state where you have no legal recourse for any type of sexual orientation discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: michaelnDallas</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/texas-liquor-cops-rarely-disciplined/comment-page-1/#comment-73454</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelnDallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still waiting to hear/see what the Fort Worth Police do with their officers, since they had no policies on liquor raids, not expecting much. This is not an issue related to Gay bars and the Gay community.  It does seem to be an issue much larger in this country. Tasers don&#039;t kill outright, but aren&#039;t completely safe either.  Police officers seem to feel terribly threatened and are more aggressive, not knowing who&#039;s dangerous and who&#039;s just standing up for their rights.  Seems in this tough economic times appropriate training isn&#039;t worth the expense to law enforcement.  Take them down! see what trouble they get in, let the courts decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still waiting to hear/see what the Fort Worth Police do with their officers, since they had no policies on liquor raids, not expecting much. This is not an issue related to Gay bars and the Gay community.  It does seem to be an issue much larger in this country. Tasers don&#8217;t kill outright, but aren&#8217;t completely safe either.  Police officers seem to feel terribly threatened and are more aggressive, not knowing who&#8217;s dangerous and who&#8217;s just standing up for their rights.  Seems in this tough economic times appropriate training isn&#8217;t worth the expense to law enforcement.  Take them down! see what trouble they get in, let the courts decide.</p>
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		<title>By: MavsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MavsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveW: I realize that you are trying make a point about some greater trend of &quot;martial law&quot;, but since this article specifically targeted Dallas police agencies, that is all I was addressing. And further to my point, did you know that our elected Dallas County Sherrif, Lupe Valdez (an openly hispanic, lesbian woman!) was the grand marshall this weekend at the Alan Ross Texas Freedom Parade (aka gay pride parade), as well as Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle and Dallas Fire-Rescue Chief Eddie Burns who also participated. Is THAT what you&#039;d expect from TEXAS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveW: I realize that you are trying make a point about some greater trend of &#8220;martial law&#8221;, but since this article specifically targeted Dallas police agencies, that is all I was addressing. And further to my point, did you know that our elected Dallas County Sherrif, Lupe Valdez (an openly hispanic, lesbian woman!) was the grand marshall this weekend at the Alan Ross Texas Freedom Parade (aka gay pride parade), as well as Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle and Dallas Fire-Rescue Chief Eddie Burns who also participated. Is THAT what you&#8217;d expect from TEXAS?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MavsFan, good to point that out but for me all that shows is they use excessive force more than other agencies.  Doesn&#039;t make the story&#039;s point but makes them look like what we&#039;d expect from Texas.

This is NOT about excessive force in my opinion.  It is about discriminatory targeting of gay bars, that resulted in excessive force.  Stop the raids and you don&#039;t need to worry about force.

There is a much bigger issue that some allude to here.  We are living in a police state.  It feels like Martial Law.  You can&#039;t even be in your own home and disagree with a cop.  Gates simply disagreed and got testy and insulted that cop, who should be fired for making an unwarranted arrest (at least that much is fact...it was not disorderly conduct as he was doing the conduct inside his home).

Here in Mass local cops check your speed on 25mph city streets ignoring gang violence on the other side of town.  They would rather worry about who has a liquor license and is using it properly vs. who is committing real crimes.

I remember ordering splits of desert wine from J. Fritz in Sonoma many years ago only to discover that the ATF had denied them shipping as the bottles they used did not give the volume in english units...it had mL instead.  They had to rebottle all the wine.

That is a good use of scarce resources?

We don&#039;t need and ATF.  Perhaps an F but the A and the T are not needed.  We don&#039;t need &quot;transit cops&quot;, &quot;university cops&quot;, &quot;turnpike troopers&quot; (yes we have them!), all these extra cops walking around juiced up on testosterone with their big chests and tiny dicks just looking for trouble to prove their manhood to themselves.

America has become a police state.  I voted last night and had to walk past a cop with arms folded looking at me like &quot;I dare you to step out of line&quot; with gun and all hanging off his hip.  We need a cop at a suburban polling station while gang violence is taking place across town???????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MavsFan, good to point that out but for me all that shows is they use excessive force more than other agencies.  Doesn&#8217;t make the story&#8217;s point but makes them look like what we&#8217;d expect from Texas.</p>
<p>This is NOT about excessive force in my opinion.  It is about discriminatory targeting of gay bars, that resulted in excessive force.  Stop the raids and you don&#8217;t need to worry about force.</p>
<p>There is a much bigger issue that some allude to here.  We are living in a police state.  It feels like Martial Law.  You can&#8217;t even be in your own home and disagree with a cop.  Gates simply disagreed and got testy and insulted that cop, who should be fired for making an unwarranted arrest (at least that much is fact&#8230;it was not disorderly conduct as he was doing the conduct inside his home).</p>
<p>Here in Mass local cops check your speed on 25mph city streets ignoring gang violence on the other side of town.  They would rather worry about who has a liquor license and is using it properly vs. who is committing real crimes.</p>
<p>I remember ordering splits of desert wine from J. Fritz in Sonoma many years ago only to discover that the ATF had denied them shipping as the bottles they used did not give the volume in english units&#8230;it had mL instead.  They had to rebottle all the wine.</p>
<p>That is a good use of scarce resources?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need and ATF.  Perhaps an F but the A and the T are not needed.  We don&#8217;t need &#8220;transit cops&#8221;, &#8220;university cops&#8221;, &#8220;turnpike troopers&#8221; (yes we have them!), all these extra cops walking around juiced up on testosterone with their big chests and tiny dicks just looking for trouble to prove their manhood to themselves.</p>
<p>America has become a police state.  I voted last night and had to walk past a cop with arms folded looking at me like &#8220;I dare you to step out of line&#8221; with gun and all hanging off his hip.  We need a cop at a suburban polling station while gang violence is taking place across town???????</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there are many who serve as police officers and do a very excellent job frankly a job that I would never want to do myself, I have seen what appears to be an increase in heavy handedness in recent years in the &quot;cop&quot; shows.

Everything from tackling someone who is just standing there to tasering people left &amp; right when they simply disagree with an officer. Increasingly there seems to be a use of force instead of simple psychology. That needs to stop and stop soon or we will wind up with a bunch of jackbooted thugs policing us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there are many who serve as police officers and do a very excellent job frankly a job that I would never want to do myself, I have seen what appears to be an increase in heavy handedness in recent years in the &#8220;cop&#8221; shows.</p>
<p>Everything from tackling someone who is just standing there to tasering people left &amp; right when they simply disagree with an officer. Increasingly there seems to be a use of force instead of simple psychology. That needs to stop and stop soon or we will wind up with a bunch of jackbooted thugs policing us.</p>
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		<title>By: michaelnDallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelnDallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If not for the injuries sustained by a patron of the Rainbow lounge, none of this would be seeing the light of day.  It seems to me that a law enforcement agency with this high a diciplinary rate, would be making newspaper headlines.  It&#039;s unfortunate, that Chad Gibson has not brought a lawsuit as yet against either TABC or the Fort Worth Police department. It seems that the lack of a lawsuit and the awarding of damages is the main reason, no one is taking this seriously.  I am not a litigious person. but it seems that is the trigger that makes agencies sit up and take notice when they are paying damages to citizens, not in the budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not for the injuries sustained by a patron of the Rainbow lounge, none of this would be seeing the light of day.  It seems to me that a law enforcement agency with this high a diciplinary rate, would be making newspaper headlines.  It&#8217;s unfortunate, that Chad Gibson has not brought a lawsuit as yet against either TABC or the Fort Worth Police department. It seems that the lack of a lawsuit and the awarding of damages is the main reason, no one is taking this seriously.  I am not a litigious person. but it seems that is the trigger that makes agencies sit up and take notice when they are paying damages to citizens, not in the budget.</p>
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		<title>By: MavsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MavsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one were to do just a smidgen of research, they would find that the disciplinary rate for the Texas policing agency discussed in this article is actually ABOVE the national average! A national study conducted in 2006 (yes I realize the discrepencies inherent from year-to-year) has purported to find that nationally only 8% of police misconduct cases actually result in disciplinary actions!

Given the numbers provided in this article, that 39 out of 234 allegations resulted in disciplinary action, one can easily discover that this is OVER 16.5%! That is right at TWICE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE!!!

I don&#039;t even understand why there is a specific alarm with this agency, when in fact they are well above the national average in punishing offending officers. Somebody, please find fault in my reasoning. 

Oh, and here is the link to the study I have cited if you want to check it out yourself. 

http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/137664-Study-says-about-8-percent-of-police-brutality-complaints-justify-discipline/

They also further break down case outcomes (i.e. insufficient evidence, complaints withdrawn, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one were to do just a smidgen of research, they would find that the disciplinary rate for the Texas policing agency discussed in this article is actually ABOVE the national average! A national study conducted in 2006 (yes I realize the discrepencies inherent from year-to-year) has purported to find that nationally only 8% of police misconduct cases actually result in disciplinary actions!</p>
<p>Given the numbers provided in this article, that 39 out of 234 allegations resulted in disciplinary action, one can easily discover that this is OVER 16.5%! That is right at TWICE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE!!!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even understand why there is a specific alarm with this agency, when in fact they are well above the national average in punishing offending officers. Somebody, please find fault in my reasoning. </p>
<p>Oh, and here is the link to the study I have cited if you want to check it out yourself. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/137664-Study-says-about-8-percent-of-police-brutality-complaints-justify-discipline/" rel="nofollow">http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/137664-Study-says-about-8-percent-of-police-brutality-complaints-justify-discipline/</a></p>
<p>They also further break down case outcomes (i.e. insufficient evidence, complaints withdrawn, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Terryinindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terryinindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what happened Civil Suits are still a consideration, especially if any disciplinary actions are &#039;light&#039; or non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what happened Civil Suits are still a consideration, especially if any disciplinary actions are &#8216;light&#8217; or non-existent.</p>
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