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		<title>By: Nikki Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, the idea that we leave equal rights up the the majority scares the hell out of me. If the country was run that way, African Americans would still be slaves, the Chinese wouldn&#039;t be able to have families here, and women wouldn&#039;t be allowed to vote! So, why are we leaving GLBTQQIP rights up to the majority, or even doing polls to remind everyone that WE ARE A MINORITY, of COURSE the votes are going to be against us! Anyway, Obama has a lot of Gay supporters, and now that McCain has come out as a supporter of gay marriage, we have a bit of an edge on the Republicans that want to pass this crap. (And don&#039;t worry, I hate Clinton from the bottom of my soul for even signing this bill in the first place.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, the idea that we leave equal rights up the the majority scares the hell out of me. If the country was run that way, African Americans would still be slaves, the Chinese wouldn&#8217;t be able to have families here, and women wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to vote! So, why are we leaving GLBTQQIP rights up to the majority, or even doing polls to remind everyone that WE ARE A MINORITY, of COURSE the votes are going to be against us! Anyway, Obama has a lot of Gay supporters, and now that McCain has come out as a supporter of gay marriage, we have a bit of an edge on the Republicans that want to pass this crap. (And don&#8217;t worry, I hate Clinton from the bottom of my soul for even signing this bill in the first place.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/support-grows-for-federal-doma-repeal/comment-page-1/#comment-57285</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 02:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zack, marriage has changed continually over the course of thousands of years. In Old Testament times, polygamy was the norm for anyone could afford it. The New Testament presents many different kinds of household, and when Jesus was told that his mother and brothers were outside to see him, he replied that his followers were his mother and sisters and brothers. In fact, same-sex wedding ceremonies were part of the Orthodox and Roman Catholic liturgies until the 1600s, and some are still practiced today. Even the Quran says that, in the afterlife, the righteous will be waited on by &quot;beautiful women and almond-eyed boys.&quot; 

Modern-day prejudice against gay people and relationships isn&#039;t basic to civilization or grounded in longstanding history. It&#039;s a recent development that followed the realization of people like Sigmund Freud that a distinct group of people are attracted to members of their own sex. As people come to understand that gay people are nothing to be afraid of, those prejudices are crumbling. We&#039;re returning to the greater tolerance of gay people that existed for most of human history. 

Times are changing. That is, changing back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zack, marriage has changed continually over the course of thousands of years. In Old Testament times, polygamy was the norm for anyone could afford it. The New Testament presents many different kinds of household, and when Jesus was told that his mother and brothers were outside to see him, he replied that his followers were his mother and sisters and brothers. In fact, same-sex wedding ceremonies were part of the Orthodox and Roman Catholic liturgies until the 1600s, and some are still practiced today. Even the Quran says that, in the afterlife, the righteous will be waited on by &#8220;beautiful women and almond-eyed boys.&#8221; </p>
<p>Modern-day prejudice against gay people and relationships isn&#8217;t basic to civilization or grounded in longstanding history. It&#8217;s a recent development that followed the realization of people like Sigmund Freud that a distinct group of people are attracted to members of their own sex. As people come to understand that gay people are nothing to be afraid of, those prejudices are crumbling. We&#8217;re returning to the greater tolerance of gay people that existed for most of human history. </p>
<p>Times are changing. That is, changing back.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack Fischer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage between a man a woman for procreation is an institution favored by all recorded history. Messing with such a fundamental tenet of civilization is in no one&#039;s best interest. In fact, history shows that a socity that does not reproduce itself substantially more than what the Western world currently does falls to outside hoardes (read islamics in our case). Divorce, abortion and gay marriage do not belong in a society that desires growth &amp; freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage between a man a woman for procreation is an institution favored by all recorded history. Messing with such a fundamental tenet of civilization is in no one&#8217;s best interest. In fact, history shows that a socity that does not reproduce itself substantially more than what the Western world currently does falls to outside hoardes (read islamics in our case). Divorce, abortion and gay marriage do not belong in a society that desires growth &amp; freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  am so glad to hear Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) has changed his mind and supports overturning DOMA.  It will help make all American families equal and recognized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  am so glad to hear Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) has changed his mind and supports overturning DOMA.  It will help make all American families equal and recognized.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/support-grows-for-federal-doma-repeal/comment-page-1/#comment-56608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1996 ( Not 1998 as Stated ) President Bill Clinton signed DOMA into Law on  Air Force ONE. A couple months prior to the second term election.  We were not sent to the Back of the Bus.  We were Thrown UNDER the Bus for the second time in 3 years.

I have not let Pres. Bill Clinton off the hook for DOMA and DADT. Set us back +/- 20 years. Hope President Obama isn&#039;t the latest politician that once in office, does weird political Math and   &quot; Stabs Us ALL &quot;  in the back contrary to prior sentiments. No more HOMO-cide please.   Atleast none of us mistook &quot; George W &quot; as a friend and we progressed not expecting White House help ( ie: MA and courts ).  

It is my prayer that Mr. Obama will show strong decisive leadership. DOMA just runs contrary to US Constitution. Same rational that overturned the remaining laws banning inter-racial marraiges in June 1967.

I’m afraid to keep Def Sec Gates and other dinosaurs happy, he may punk out and do more HOMO-cide. 

An Great lesson in leadership, In 1948, President Harry Truman unequivically racially integrated ALL military branches. To this day, their are still some racists in the military, as elsewhere. We are still far stronger for Mr. Truman’s unequivical leadership. We will be way better off as a nation when DADT which runs contrary to the military honor (truth) code is history. Other modern militaries such as UK, Canada, Israel and others . . . have proven that DADT rational is a total myth.          Will there be change pain ? Of course  Everything involving growth can have growing pain.  

Mark H. * Long Beach, CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1996 ( Not 1998 as Stated ) President Bill Clinton signed DOMA into Law on  Air Force ONE. A couple months prior to the second term election.  We were not sent to the Back of the Bus.  We were Thrown UNDER the Bus for the second time in 3 years.</p>
<p>I have not let Pres. Bill Clinton off the hook for DOMA and DADT. Set us back +/- 20 years. Hope President Obama isn&#8217;t the latest politician that once in office, does weird political Math and   &#8221; Stabs Us ALL &#8221;  in the back contrary to prior sentiments. No more HOMO-cide please.   Atleast none of us mistook &#8221; George W &#8221; as a friend and we progressed not expecting White House help ( ie: MA and courts ).  </p>
<p>It is my prayer that Mr. Obama will show strong decisive leadership. DOMA just runs contrary to US Constitution. Same rational that overturned the remaining laws banning inter-racial marraiges in June 1967.</p>
<p>I’m afraid to keep Def Sec Gates and other dinosaurs happy, he may punk out and do more HOMO-cide. </p>
<p>An Great lesson in leadership, In 1948, President Harry Truman unequivically racially integrated ALL military branches. To this day, their are still some racists in the military, as elsewhere. We are still far stronger for Mr. Truman’s unequivical leadership. We will be way better off as a nation when DADT which runs contrary to the military honor (truth) code is history. Other modern militaries such as UK, Canada, Israel and others . . . have proven that DADT rational is a total myth.          Will there be change pain ? Of course  Everything involving growth can have growing pain.  </p>
<p>Mark H. * Long Beach, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what confuses me about DOMA. It basically says that the federal government does not recognise any unions between same-sex partners. BUT...If you are a same-sex couple and you get married in a state where it is legal you are allowed (legally) to change your name if you take the last name of your partner. It&#039;s right there on the marriage license application to check and fill in the blank if you are going to change your name. 

So, once your marriage license is filed you can then go down and apply for a new social security card with your new married name on it, right? Because you are legally married. But, since the social security department is part of the federal government aren&#039;t they in effect then recognising same-sex marriages every time they issue a new s.s card to a person that has married someone of the same gender and changed their name? 

If they are going to recognize them just enough to issue them a new social security card than they have to recognise them in every other respect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what confuses me about DOMA. It basically says that the federal government does not recognise any unions between same-sex partners. BUT&#8230;If you are a same-sex couple and you get married in a state where it is legal you are allowed (legally) to change your name if you take the last name of your partner. It&#8217;s right there on the marriage license application to check and fill in the blank if you are going to change your name. </p>
<p>So, once your marriage license is filed you can then go down and apply for a new social security card with your new married name on it, right? Because you are legally married. But, since the social security department is part of the federal government aren&#8217;t they in effect then recognising same-sex marriages every time they issue a new s.s card to a person that has married someone of the same gender and changed their name? </p>
<p>If they are going to recognize them just enough to issue them a new social security card than they have to recognise them in every other respect!</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 04:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who marched in Selma, and who Bull Connor&#039;s deputies knocked down with fire hoses in Birmingham, and the people who sat in at lunch counters like McClellans on 5th Av N in Nashville--those people achieved change, regardless of the millions of people who stayed home and stayed racist.  

Congratulations to Sen. Harkin for his change of heart, but also the courage to come out and say it.  His voice helps us that much more.  Look at some of these people, like Nancy &quot;I love Armani&quot; Pelosi.  Nice clothes, good on ya, but you&#039;re making an effort to maintain a discriminatory status quo.  She doesn&#039;t matter as much as someone like Tom Harkin.

We have supporters.  Who cares if we can&#039;t get DOMA repealed in this session?  It&#039;s the refusal to even try which is insulting.  There are those who oppose us and manage to do it with some honor, but there&#039;s no honor in hedging your bets (read: political career and perks thereof) at the cost of somebody else&#039;s equal rights.

Jobs indeed.  They&#039;re interested in THEIR jobs over anyone else&#039;s.  But it&#039;s almost irrelevant to even think about these people.  We identify our supporters and go from there.  Most hardcore opponents will remain so, but like Obama, we can score some victories there.  It&#039;s the ones who pretend to support us who are our real threat.  We need to hold them at arm&#039;s length and keep our money out of their reach--politely, of course, because just as they won&#039;t come out and say they&#039;re not doin&#039; fuk-all for us, so we can bait them and remind them they don&#039;t get any more money until we see some real action.  Like paying the prostitute after you&#039;re done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who marched in Selma, and who Bull Connor&#8217;s deputies knocked down with fire hoses in Birmingham, and the people who sat in at lunch counters like McClellans on 5th Av N in Nashville&#8211;those people achieved change, regardless of the millions of people who stayed home and stayed racist.  </p>
<p>Congratulations to Sen. Harkin for his change of heart, but also the courage to come out and say it.  His voice helps us that much more.  Look at some of these people, like Nancy &#8220;I love Armani&#8221; Pelosi.  Nice clothes, good on ya, but you&#8217;re making an effort to maintain a discriminatory status quo.  She doesn&#8217;t matter as much as someone like Tom Harkin.</p>
<p>We have supporters.  Who cares if we can&#8217;t get DOMA repealed in this session?  It&#8217;s the refusal to even try which is insulting.  There are those who oppose us and manage to do it with some honor, but there&#8217;s no honor in hedging your bets (read: political career and perks thereof) at the cost of somebody else&#8217;s equal rights.</p>
<p>Jobs indeed.  They&#8217;re interested in THEIR jobs over anyone else&#8217;s.  But it&#8217;s almost irrelevant to even think about these people.  We identify our supporters and go from there.  Most hardcore opponents will remain so, but like Obama, we can score some victories there.  It&#8217;s the ones who pretend to support us who are our real threat.  We need to hold them at arm&#8217;s length and keep our money out of their reach&#8211;politely, of course, because just as they won&#8217;t come out and say they&#8217;re not doin&#8217; fuk-all for us, so we can bait them and remind them they don&#8217;t get any more money until we see some real action.  Like paying the prostitute after you&#8217;re done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/support-grows-for-federal-doma-repeal/comment-page-1/#comment-56524</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As marriage equality expands to more states, the Federal government will have to repeal DOMA and follow the Constitution&#039;s FULL FAITH &amp; CREDIT clause honoring the state&#039;s authority.   If a male/female marriage in Massachusetts gets Federal rights and benefits, how can a legal male/male marriage continually treated differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As marriage equality expands to more states, the Federal government will have to repeal DOMA and follow the Constitution&#8217;s FULL FAITH &amp; CREDIT clause honoring the state&#8217;s authority.   If a male/female marriage in Massachusetts gets Federal rights and benefits, how can a legal male/male marriage continually treated differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Johannes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“But right now, our agenda is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs.” Unless she&#039;s talking about gay service members. Then it&#039;s &quot;fire them, fire them, fire them, fire them, fire them.&quot;

Pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“But right now, our agenda is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs.” Unless she&#8217;s talking about gay service members. Then it&#8217;s &#8220;fire them, fire them, fire them, fire them, fire them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: R&#38;R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R&#38;R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this country built on the basis of the separation of church and state or am I dreaming.  Is Obama expressing his faith or has he morphed his faith into his political opinions and now sees his opinion regarding marriage for gays as political, not faith based?  How soon he forgets the promises he made to us during his campaign.  Maybe we should do some forgetting next elections.  

I hope our brothers and sisters in San Francisco do some thinking before they make the decision regarding sending Pelosi back to congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this country built on the basis of the separation of church and state or am I dreaming.  Is Obama expressing his faith or has he morphed his faith into his political opinions and now sees his opinion regarding marriage for gays as political, not faith based?  How soon he forgets the promises he made to us during his campaign.  Maybe we should do some forgetting next elections.  </p>
<p>I hope our brothers and sisters in San Francisco do some thinking before they make the decision regarding sending Pelosi back to congress.</p>
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