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		<title>By: teachermahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>teachermahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My partner and I have been together for 4 years.  He is married and has been for 20 plus years. He and his wife have 3 children, all teenagers.  He struggled with being gay all his life.  He was raised in a strong catholic family so getting married and having children was an obligation from his family.  He honored that obligation but still struggled.  he and his wife had been going to counseling and his wife knew he was gay.  Yes there were some hurt feelings and anger, but by the time I came into the picture those feelings had already been addressed.  

Now, we all live a great life together.  She had the kids in another state.  He and I live together and he supports both households.  All decisions that are made begin with answering the question &quot;What is best for the children&quot;?  
With 4 years under our belt, everything runs pretty smooth now.  Little arguments with children, but I NEVER hear &quot;your not my dad&quot; come out of their mouths.  As a matter of fact, they usually come to me with problems before talking with their biological parents.

I too am shocked by the selfishness of the article.  One is allowed to be angry, but if children are involved, you MUST put your feeling on the back burner and do what is best for your children.  It is not always the easiest thing to do.  Just because a spouse is gay and you feel they have deceived you does not mean that they do not love their children and please do not use the children as a weapon, this only backfires as the children get older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner and I have been together for 4 years.  He is married and has been for 20 plus years. He and his wife have 3 children, all teenagers.  He struggled with being gay all his life.  He was raised in a strong catholic family so getting married and having children was an obligation from his family.  He honored that obligation but still struggled.  he and his wife had been going to counseling and his wife knew he was gay.  Yes there were some hurt feelings and anger, but by the time I came into the picture those feelings had already been addressed.  </p>
<p>Now, we all live a great life together.  She had the kids in another state.  He and I live together and he supports both households.  All decisions that are made begin with answering the question &#8220;What is best for the children&#8221;?<br />
With 4 years under our belt, everything runs pretty smooth now.  Little arguments with children, but I NEVER hear &#8220;your not my dad&#8221; come out of their mouths.  As a matter of fact, they usually come to me with problems before talking with their biological parents.</p>
<p>I too am shocked by the selfishness of the article.  One is allowed to be angry, but if children are involved, you MUST put your feeling on the back burner and do what is best for your children.  It is not always the easiest thing to do.  Just because a spouse is gay and you feel they have deceived you does not mean that they do not love their children and please do not use the children as a weapon, this only backfires as the children get older.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I’ve met 8 or 8 gay men who all were conventionally married, some for decades, to women. And sometimes the women knew their husbands were gay, but the couple worked at staying together. Yet all of these marriages broke up, even though in many cases the man and woman remain friends, and act as co-parents to children. 

This describes my husband. He was monogamously and openly married to a women from the early eighties into the nineties for the purpose of having and raising his children (two adult boys).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I’ve met 8 or 8 gay men who all were conventionally married, some for decades, to women. And sometimes the women knew their husbands were gay, but the couple worked at staying together. Yet all of these marriages broke up, even though in many cases the man and woman remain friends, and act as co-parents to children. </p>
<p>This describes my husband. He was monogamously and openly married to a women from the early eighties into the nineties for the purpose of having and raising his children (two adult boys).</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *love* this angle on the issue. You GO, straight people! 

&gt;None of them express any happiness for their ex-spouse for having the courage to come. 

It&#039;s the extreme minority of people who divorce who can do this. It also changes over time, with exes sometimes being more emotionally generous after a good amount of time has passed.

Other than a partner cheating sexually, I haven&#039;t seen many issues cause more wounded indignation than &quot;I married a gay person...I was deceived.&quot; It seems to rock people to the core. As an analogous situation, I&#039;ve seen a similar kind of hurt with people who&#039;s same-gender partner left for an opposite-gender partner. There&#039;s something about that dynamic that tends to wound deeply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *love* this angle on the issue. You GO, straight people! </p>
<p>&gt;None of them express any happiness for their ex-spouse for having the courage to come. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the extreme minority of people who divorce who can do this. It also changes over time, with exes sometimes being more emotionally generous after a good amount of time has passed.</p>
<p>Other than a partner cheating sexually, I haven&#8217;t seen many issues cause more wounded indignation than &#8220;I married a gay person&#8230;I was deceived.&#8221; It seems to rock people to the core. As an analogous situation, I&#8217;ve seen a similar kind of hurt with people who&#8217;s same-gender partner left for an opposite-gender partner. There&#8217;s something about that dynamic that tends to wound deeply.</p>
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		<title>By: inkky jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>inkky jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To PeterDillon: Thank you so very much for posting your comments!!
Your comments have really helped me (as a gay, unmarried male) to help me understand those friends of mine (gay) who married straight women (and eventually screwed up their lives). I&#039;m sharing your posting with two friends who are coming out of such marriages.
Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To PeterDillon: Thank you so very much for posting your comments!!<br />
Your comments have really helped me (as a gay, unmarried male) to help me understand those friends of mine (gay) who married straight women (and eventually screwed up their lives). I&#8217;m sharing your posting with two friends who are coming out of such marriages.<br />
Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: PeterDillon</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterDillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great article since I am a gay man that was formerly married for almost 14 years and together for 16. A year ago, Sept. 19, 2008, I came out to my ex-wife and I will never forget that day or the months of therapy, anxiety and panic attacks that led up to it. 

I was one of those married men that considered myself bi and cheated on my wife to get my fix since I thought some occassional man-on-man fun was what I needed since I couldn&#039;t possibly admit I was gay - although I&#039;d known since I was a teenager. Every time I cheated, I knew I was hurting my ex, but I couldn&#039;t tell her and I couldn&#039;t admit it. I withdrew deeper and deeper inside myself and while we had a great marriage on the surface, we both knew it wasn&#039;t what it should be but we never talked about it. 

Well, when I finally admitted it to her, her first response was she knew (about me, not the cheating) and she had suspected since the day she met me. So you ask, why did she marry me - well that&#039;s what I asked. And she said, because she married her best friend and the person she wanted to spend the rest of her life with and I couldn&#039;t deny that. We talked a lot those first few weeks and months and continued to live togeether while we worked out our new relationship and what divorce would look like. I asked for the divorce since I wanted to finally be completely out and rid of the burden I had carried for 20+ years. She understood and supported me throughout the entire process. She joined the local Straight Spouse Network and continues to attend a year later. I joined a support group for married/formerly married men that have sex with men to help me with my transition and we both agreed that this participation was a priority in our transition. We also participated in couples counseling for a while to navigate the separation process and each had individual counseling to work through our own issues.

While it wasn&#039;t all roses, a year later we are still friends, I talk with her about her relationship issues, she knows I have a boyfriend of 10 months (they haven&#039;t met yet), and we continue to have shared pet-parenting and have had to make difficult decisions together to care for our pets. 

You may ask, what took me so long to come out - well, honestly fear. Fear of being rejected from my family, from friends, and starting my life over but exhaustion from living a double-life finally won and I just couldn&#039;t do it any longer and realized it wasn&#039;t fair to either of us to not have the full, happy lives we deserved. I&#039;m sorry that I hurt her for so long, but I have no regrets and finally feel like we are both going to have happy and successful lives as we enter our 40&#039;s and the best years of our lives. 

My love and support goes out to everyone in similar situations. While they are all unique relationships, it is up to each person/couple to make those decisions and no one else can judge you for making your life your own, however you choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great article since I am a gay man that was formerly married for almost 14 years and together for 16. A year ago, Sept. 19, 2008, I came out to my ex-wife and I will never forget that day or the months of therapy, anxiety and panic attacks that led up to it. </p>
<p>I was one of those married men that considered myself bi and cheated on my wife to get my fix since I thought some occassional man-on-man fun was what I needed since I couldn&#8217;t possibly admit I was gay &#8211; although I&#8217;d known since I was a teenager. Every time I cheated, I knew I was hurting my ex, but I couldn&#8217;t tell her and I couldn&#8217;t admit it. I withdrew deeper and deeper inside myself and while we had a great marriage on the surface, we both knew it wasn&#8217;t what it should be but we never talked about it. </p>
<p>Well, when I finally admitted it to her, her first response was she knew (about me, not the cheating) and she had suspected since the day she met me. So you ask, why did she marry me &#8211; well that&#8217;s what I asked. And she said, because she married her best friend and the person she wanted to spend the rest of her life with and I couldn&#8217;t deny that. We talked a lot those first few weeks and months and continued to live togeether while we worked out our new relationship and what divorce would look like. I asked for the divorce since I wanted to finally be completely out and rid of the burden I had carried for 20+ years. She understood and supported me throughout the entire process. She joined the local Straight Spouse Network and continues to attend a year later. I joined a support group for married/formerly married men that have sex with men to help me with my transition and we both agreed that this participation was a priority in our transition. We also participated in couples counseling for a while to navigate the separation process and each had individual counseling to work through our own issues.</p>
<p>While it wasn&#8217;t all roses, a year later we are still friends, I talk with her about her relationship issues, she knows I have a boyfriend of 10 months (they haven&#8217;t met yet), and we continue to have shared pet-parenting and have had to make difficult decisions together to care for our pets. </p>
<p>You may ask, what took me so long to come out &#8211; well, honestly fear. Fear of being rejected from my family, from friends, and starting my life over but exhaustion from living a double-life finally won and I just couldn&#8217;t do it any longer and realized it wasn&#8217;t fair to either of us to not have the full, happy lives we deserved. I&#8217;m sorry that I hurt her for so long, but I have no regrets and finally feel like we are both going to have happy and successful lives as we enter our 40&#8242;s and the best years of our lives. </p>
<p>My love and support goes out to everyone in similar situations. While they are all unique relationships, it is up to each person/couple to make those decisions and no one else can judge you for making your life your own, however you choose.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve met 8 or 8 gay men who all were conventionally married, some for decades, to women.  And sometimes the women knew their husbands were gay, but the couple worked at staying together.

Yet all of these  marriages broke up, even though in many cases the man and woman remain friends, and act as co-parents to children.  And in a couple cases, the women remarried to men to whom they were introduced by their ex.

But the article really brings out an interesting point.  Everything I&#039;ve read suggests that eg 6% of the population admits, at least in blind surveys, that they are gay.   And if you add eg 50% of that percentage as people totally terrified into the closet, you get the to a good presumption that 10% of the people are gay.

And if you roll that number together with the 50% divorce rate, it looks really reasonable to say that about 20% of all divorces are because a partner is gay, either openly or secretly.  And furthermore, no one knows just how many men or women who aren&#039;t satisfied with their spouse, and run around secretly,  really aren&#039;t satisfied because they can never be satisfied with an opposite sex partner.

So when the church says they are protecting marriage,  perhaps what they really are doing is destroying marriage.  While playing their old game of victimization - making gay people the victims of the church&#039;s ignorance, dogma, and quest for power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve met 8 or 8 gay men who all were conventionally married, some for decades, to women.  And sometimes the women knew their husbands were gay, but the couple worked at staying together.</p>
<p>Yet all of these  marriages broke up, even though in many cases the man and woman remain friends, and act as co-parents to children.  And in a couple cases, the women remarried to men to whom they were introduced by their ex.</p>
<p>But the article really brings out an interesting point.  Everything I&#8217;ve read suggests that eg 6% of the population admits, at least in blind surveys, that they are gay.   And if you add eg 50% of that percentage as people totally terrified into the closet, you get the to a good presumption that 10% of the people are gay.</p>
<p>And if you roll that number together with the 50% divorce rate, it looks really reasonable to say that about 20% of all divorces are because a partner is gay, either openly or secretly.  And furthermore, no one knows just how many men or women who aren&#8217;t satisfied with their spouse, and run around secretly,  really aren&#8217;t satisfied because they can never be satisfied with an opposite sex partner.</p>
<p>So when the church says they are protecting marriage,  perhaps what they really are doing is destroying marriage.  While playing their old game of victimization &#8211; making gay people the victims of the church&#8217;s ignorance, dogma, and quest for power.</p>
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		<title>By: gaystudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaystudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but notice the accusatory nature of this article. The spouses are all upset -- of course they are, many of them had their marriage ruined. None of them express any happiness for their ex-spouse for having the courage to come. None of them desire marriage equality so that their ex-spouse might find a true love and have the ability to marry that person. They just wish it were legal so they wouldn&#039;t have married their ex in the first place. That saddens me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but notice the accusatory nature of this article. The spouses are all upset &#8212; of course they are, many of them had their marriage ruined. None of them express any happiness for their ex-spouse for having the courage to come. None of them desire marriage equality so that their ex-spouse might find a true love and have the ability to marry that person. They just wish it were legal so they wouldn&#8217;t have married their ex in the first place. That saddens me.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it refreshing to find this type of support from groups that have been painfully underrepresented, and it goes to show just how bipartisan queer issues should be.  I hope that the bravery and understanding that these couples have shown in the face of large personal upheaval in their lives serves as inspiration to others struggling to confront their own orientations. 
I think that organizations such as the Straight Spouse Network are going to remain important and necessary, as the acceptance of non heterosexual orientations continues to grow. More and more marriages are going to end, or at least have to navigate a new structure to their relationship,  when people are willing to face their own repressed sexual identities. With more outlets for support, the less likely it is that anger will be turned towards the queer community in fear and confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it refreshing to find this type of support from groups that have been painfully underrepresented, and it goes to show just how bipartisan queer issues should be.  I hope that the bravery and understanding that these couples have shown in the face of large personal upheaval in their lives serves as inspiration to others struggling to confront their own orientations.<br />
I think that organizations such as the Straight Spouse Network are going to remain important and necessary, as the acceptance of non heterosexual orientations continues to grow. More and more marriages are going to end, or at least have to navigate a new structure to their relationship,  when people are willing to face their own repressed sexual identities. With more outlets for support, the less likely it is that anger will be turned towards the queer community in fear and confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Long Beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Long Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to post that advice was given in aprox. 1984.  Perhaps another church may have suggested a more painful and not realistic approach to someone in their early 20s.   Which I am sure would have resulted in lots of chaos for several lives. 

Tom in Long Beach Currently married to my husband.  

Too bad No on 8 did not get someone from this group to help make an add.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to post that advice was given in aprox. 1984.  Perhaps another church may have suggested a more painful and not realistic approach to someone in their early 20s.   Which I am sure would have resulted in lots of chaos for several lives. </p>
<p>Tom in Long Beach Currently married to my husband.  </p>
<p>Too bad No on 8 did not get someone from this group to help make an add.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Long Beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Long Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think the people at NOM will read this article ? 

I am lucky that I had enough positive influences in my life in my early 20s to realize that  marrying a woman would not &quot;change&quot; me.   Thank goodness for one female pastor of the youth group at the Crystal Cathedral (yes you are reading this correctly)   That told me about her break up with her boyfriend that turned out to be gay and helped me realize that I was O.K. 

Tom in Long Beach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the people at NOM will read this article ? </p>
<p>I am lucky that I had enough positive influences in my life in my early 20s to realize that  marrying a woman would not &#8220;change&#8221; me.   Thank goodness for one female pastor of the youth group at the Crystal Cathedral (yes you are reading this correctly)   That told me about her break up with her boyfriend that turned out to be gay and helped me realize that I was O.K. </p>
<p>Tom in Long Beach</p>
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