Comments on: Showdown looms over NY gay marriage

By: GayMarriageTruth

GayMarriageTruth — Tue, 12 May 2009 15:01:10 +0000

@ Art James:

Sorry, correction – you have the same “rights”, not “rates”, as hetero couples in New York state.

By: GayMarriageTruth

GayMarriageTruth — Tue, 12 May 2009 14:59:07 +0000

@Art James – if you and your partner are married, then you DO have the same rates as the hetero couples in NY! NY is one of the few states that recognize the US Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause, so your marriage is fully recognized in the state as valid, just as it is in New Mexico.

By: charles

charles — Tue, 12 May 2009 01:50:09 +0000

While some might agree with drewski that ahole state senator rev. rubin diaz (i don’t feel he deserves capitals) should be isolated, apparently some feel there should be a family dynasty, as his son was just appointed (I guess it was technically an election if you can seriously call it that as there was a token opposition candidate after the opposing democrat teams decided diaz jr. was their man) Bronx Borough President. While you can’t hold the son guilty for the sins of the father, as I haven’t heard him care to oppose his father, and their both on the same team, it doesn’t seem like any type of isolation by the Democratic Party, who should but don’t care to isolate, rebuff or dismiss the state senator. Would they do the same if it was another politician like david duke?

By: Thomas

Thomas — Mon, 11 May 2009 22:43:33 +0000

Great comments here — solidarity is important now more than ever.

I live in very liberal northern California
I am biased in favour of same-sex everything, so when I want to distance myself to become more “objective” I take the opponent’s words and replace “gay” with “black.” Then I’ve a better understanding about what we are dealing with here, as ugly as it is…bigotry.

Yes, as moral and responsible people we must organise and become more involved. These bums rarely have a true constituency and were bought by lobbyists. They are imminently defeatable in the caucuses and primaries, and it is the right thing to do not only for us, but for everyone.

By: tjr

tjr — Mon, 11 May 2009 22:36:09 +0000

Don’t expect marriage equality in NY anytime soon. Ruben Diaz and the other conservative DINOS are determined to block any legislation on same-sex marriage. Senate majority leader Malcom Smith knows what he is talking about when stating that there is just not enough votes.

Democrats hold a 32-30 majority in the senate and of the 32, there are 4 Democrats that are staunchly opposed to same -sex marriage with no known Republican support. And btw, NY state government is probably the worst in the nation as nothing ever gets done on time. Incompetence reigns in the NY state legislature. It would truly be a miracle if this bill passes. And until that happens gay NY’ers will have to continue crossing the border to get married.

By: DAVID

DAVID — Mon, 11 May 2009 20:15:01 +0000

IT LOOKS LIKE THESE DEMOCRATIC CENTRISTS ARE CAUSING HAVOC ON ALL LEVELS OF THE POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SPECTRUM – TIME TO RUN VERY LEFT WING DEMOCRATS AND ELECT THEM, OR THIS WILL GO ON FOREVER.

By: Larry Rape

Larry Rape — Mon, 11 May 2009 19:45:45 +0000

NY State Senate is still controlled by a few people who are ready and willing to force their bigotry on everybody else. I’m not holding my breath. We plan to marry in Connecticut!

By: Jason21TX

Jason21TX — Mon, 11 May 2009 19:00:12 +0000

Good comments here. It may or may not happen now , but it gives us the opportunity to expose the right wing , and embarass some of the good people in the middle about how they were had.

And, with the pols showing 75% or so of the people supporting gay relationship LEGAL recognition, it is going to happen sooner or later.

What needs to be done in NY is to have a Clergy Call (HRC has it) type of Organization lobbying the state senate. This will help both to neutralize the right wing Cath/ christians living with a dark age mentality, as well as build the popular support further.

One of really difficult things I’ve struggled to understand is how the religious wrong manages to gain total control of their people’s minds. Some of it is the terrorism of hell, and promise of a life after death – something that in the secular world would be a scam insurance policy.

And of course they always have to have someone to hate, to blame that group for its own troubles, in the old “blame the victim” trick, the first commandment in the good book dirty politics and relgious hatred.

And their so clever double speak and triple speak they use. So much of it from a book called “words that work” by Kurtz. BTW, he helped engineer the republican wins of the Bush era, but like any good republican money grubber, he’ll sell his weapons to any one. Go read it and you’ll see what happened and how to counteract it.

And as the religious right gets ever more ridiculous in the eyes of the populace, and the populace learns how they have been had AND GET OVER THEIR EMBARASSMENT ABOUT IT, things will change.

By: Art James

Art James — Mon, 11 May 2009 18:16:32 +0000

Here we go again …. instead of Bruno burying it in a Senate Committee, we have Evangelical Rev Diaz and a few Demo-Dinos to contend with. Hopefully Paterson can negotiate a deal with them … they all want something. It is always about the bottom line. My partner and I were married in Massachusetts, and we are looking forward to being ‘legal’ here in NY where we pay a LOT of taxes …. we’ve been supporting the breeders for years by shelling out enough school tax to build a new HS …. and don’t get me started on all the millions we all shell out to support our tax exempt sworn enemies in the
wing-nut churches. It’s time that we stopped financing the people who hide behind religion to spread hate and malice.

By: Billy

Billy — Mon, 11 May 2009 17:58:52 +0000

Very good points Robert, NYC , we have get rid of them democratic conservatives in the primaries, we could of had marriage equality if not for them