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SF city attorney prepares legal challenge to Prop 8


Updated November 5, 2008 – 2:45 pm ET

Updated November 5, 2008 – 2:30 pm ET

(San Francisco, California) At least three lawsuits are are in the works to challenge Proposition 8, a proposed amendment to the California constitution that would ban same-sex marriage.

One of the suits is planned by City of San Francisco attorney Dennis Herrera’s office. A second is by the three LGBT groups that won the historic California Supreme Court ruling that allowed same-sex marriage in the state.  The third is by one of the couples who were married after the court ruling went into effect in May.

All three suits would begin if Prop 8 passes.

With 95 percent of the vote in across California the “Yes” votes have a slim lead: 52 – 48 percent. Though some outlets called the ballot measure in favor of the anti-gay ban a few hours ago, as many as 3 million ballots – late absentee and provisional ballots – are left to be counted.

It is those ballots that opponents of the amendment are counting on for the measure’s defeat. But most political watchers in the state say it is unlikely the additional ballots will change the result.

The American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a writ petition before the California Supreme Court on Wednesday, a preliminary move to a suit.

The petition charges that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the constitution’s core commitment to equality for everyone, by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group – lesbian and gay Californians. 

The petition also says that Proposition 8 improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. The groups in the petition say that under the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.

The California Constitution itself sets out two ways to alter the document that sets the most basic rules about how state government works, the groups said in a statement. 

Through the initiative process, voters can make relatively small changes to the constitution.  But any measure that would change the underlying principles of the constitution must first be approved by the legislature before being submitted to the voters.  That didn’t happen with Proposition 8, and that’s why it’s invalid, the petition said.

“If the voters approved an initiative that took the right to free speech away from women, but not from men, everyone would agree that such a measure conflicts with the basic ideals of equality enshrined in our constitution.  Proposition 8 suffers from the same flaw – it removes a protected constitutional right - here, the right to marry - not from all Californians, but just from one group of us,” said Jenny Pizer, Senior Counsel with Lambda Legal.   “That’s too big a change in the principles of our constitution to be made just by a bare majority of voters.”

Robin Tyler and Diane Olson, the first lesbian couple to be legally married in Los Angeles County, also plan a lawsuit against Proposition 8. 

Their attorney, Gloria Allred, said the suit would argue that the measure is unconstitutional.

Proposition 8 is the first time such a vote has taken place in state where gay unions are legal.

A study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law indicated that by Election Day 2008, approximately18,000 same-sex couples had married in California.

Exit polls reported by CNN show that while a slim majority of white voters said they rejected the amendment, an equally slim majority of African American and Hispanic voters said they had voted for the amendment.

The battle for and against the measure, known as Proposition 8, cost more than $70 million, making it one of the most expensive ballot campaigns in history. Much of the money on both sides came from outside California.

Similar bans on same-sex marriage were approved by voters Tuesday in Florida and Arizona; while in Arkansas the electorate endorsed a measure to prevent same-sex couples from adopting.

Florida

In Florida, the ballot measure amends the state constitution to limit marriage to opposite sex couples and ban civil unions.

The amendment also could be used to deny partner benefits to unmarried couples who live together.

The amendment says, “Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.”

Constitutional amendments in Florida require a 60 percent majority. The marriage amendment won with 62 percent of the vote. Thirty-eight percent were opposed.

Florida already had a law restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, but supporters of the amendment say the law could be overturned in court.

Arizona

In Arizona, where a simple majority is needed to amend the state constitution, 56 percent of voters approved limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples.

It was the second time Arizona voters were asked to change the state’s constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

Voters rejected a similar state constitutional amendment in 2006. That measure would have also stopped the state from recognizing civil unions of same-sex couples.

Arizona law already prohibits same-sex marriages. Supporters say the amendment will “protect the sanctity of families” by preventing judges from overturning the 1996 state law.

Arkansas

Arkansas, which already has a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, now will limit adoptions and foster care of children to people who are legally married.

The ballot measure passed Tuesday by a wide margin – 57-43 percent.

The measure grew out of a state Supreme Court ruling last year that overturned a Child Welfare Agency Review Board policy that banned gay people from serving as foster parents.

In its unanimous ruling, the court said that “the driving force behind adoption of the regulations was not to promote the health, safety and welfare of foster children but rather based upon the board’s views of morality and its bias against homosexuals.”

The Arkansas Family Council – the same group that spearheaded Arkansas’ constitutional ban on same-sex marriage – collected enough signatures to place the adoption referendum before voters.

Connecticut

In Connecticut, a potential anti-gay measure was also on the ballot. Connecticut voters turned down a call for state constitutional convention.

Under the state constitution, the question automatically goes on the ballot only every 20 years.

Earlier this year, the state Supreme Court ruled that Connecticut’s civil unions law failed to provide equality. The first same-sex marriages in the state are slated to begin Nov. 12.

By chance, the automatic ballot question came up this year, raising fears that if voters agreed to a constitutional convention it would have been used to ban gay marriage.

The Family Institute of Connecticut had gone on record calling for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.


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  • idunno Said: November 6th, 2008 at 1:28 am
    • Could someone please tell me how a tax exempt orginazition such as the LDS can spend 20 Million Dollars on a political initiative without endangering their tax exempt status? Has any group actively worked to have their exemption revoked? Is there a defined process for challenging their legitimacy? If we could get even one politically active religious organization’s tax exempt status pulled, it would put pardon the expression, “The Fear of God” into the rest.

  • Denise Brail Said: November 6th, 2008 at 1:55 am
    • I am sickened and very much surprised that the voters of CA chose to discriminate against gays and lesbians. I am still in shock. I never thought proposition 8 would pass.

      Even though I am a heterosexual female, I have firmly fought against prop.8. People should NOT be discriminated against in any way. I teach my kindergarteners to be respectful and not to “discriminate” in kid friendly language. As a school teacher, I want CA to know that the CTA (California Teacher’s Association) was supporting the gay community throughout the campaign and if anyone knows of a way that I can help, please let me know. I want the days of discrimination to end.

  • Aaron Mendoza Said: November 6th, 2008 at 2:37 am
    • I’ll be glad when we take away the rights of the churches and no-profits from changing our laws and attempting to ruin the rights and lives of so many groups and minorities just as they have for over 2000 years. They talk about love and GOD but they don’t follow the truth that their own cult.. I mean religions (hehe) teaches and brainwashes their children with.

      GOD save all of us.. It’s time we STAND UP and show the religious right wing nutts what PISSED OFF FAGS CAN DO WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS.. MONEY…. AND HAPPINESS!

      LET’S GET BACK WHAT THEY STOLE FROM US MY GAY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!

  • Scott Said: November 6th, 2008 at 2:48 am
    • idunno, the Mormon church can get away with that because they have millions of dollars worth of legal help to assist them in committing massive fraud against the people of America. The church is broken, a powerful-but sad, side effect of the Bigotry that is inherent in the church. funny, the heretics of the heretical cult (mormons wihtin christians as viewd by their parents the jews) have found the path of the puritan laid out plainly before them and have chosen to drive it at top speed. Bigots

  • Karl Rosenqvist Said: November 6th, 2008 at 6:01 am
    • I’m quoting and linking to you in my blog on this subject since Sweden is discussing the same issues atm.

  • Wayne Said: November 6th, 2008 at 8:14 am
    • Barack Obama spent major time and effort wooing Black churches during his “Gospel Tour” with the bigot Donnie McClurkin, more recently Obama organized even more events targeted to the Black church, this time calling them “Faith Tours” in California that were headed by a prominent “Yes on Prop 8″ shill. And Obama’s own half hearted statement about Prop 8 was “I do not favor Gay Marriage”.

      CNN exit polls show that 75% of Black women and 70% of Blacks in general (the very people Obama targeted on his “Faith Tours”) voted “YES” .

      Obama is no friend to the LGBT community, never was. Just ask Donnie MCclurkin, his history with Obama and Michelle Obama go back much further than you might know.

  • Jon in Canada Said: November 6th, 2008 at 8:21 am
    • After reading several of the respnses here, and I just have to say this:

      WAYNE!! that horse is dead already, STOP BEATING IT!!!!

  • mel Said: November 6th, 2008 at 9:16 am
    • This is ignorant. A straight couple that beats each other senseless every night have more of a right to get married. They would rather these children have no home than be in a house with gay or lesbian parents that would actually love them. It sounds to me that this is a religious issue. why is their religion more important to the world than anyone else’s?

  • Diane Caldwell Said: November 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    • The drooling, toothless masses have spoken bolstered by their retarded religious beliefs. How about a constitutional amendment that bans divorce with the death penalty for adultery? Let’s give them real traditional marriage! And no tax exemption for political groups masquerading as Religion!

  • mark mryczko Said: November 6th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    • i would like to know what the world is coming to i think its not right that gay married is baned i do not except the baned and i did not vote this year i am tired of voting and it dont do good why vote when we get srcewed trying to live a normal life as gay americans so i all for the protest and geting gay married back

  • mark m Said: November 6th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    • if obama does not favor the lgbt then why was there so many idiot that voted for him i didnt vote because i am tired of all the bull i knew that obama was going to do this now all of us no matter what our sexuality is we are screwed because obama does not care about any one except him self geting in to office think about that and that america is screwed

  • Dave Wimberly Said: November 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
    • So it seems most of us agree: religion is the culprit. Yesterday I was mad at Obama’s new voter block. Clearly if he hadn’t been on the ballot, we would have won.

      Today with time to calm down, I feel sorry for them. They are no less brainwashed than the Catholic idiots here in Mass sending their children to protest and carry hateful signs.

      So here is my challenge to all of you: Have you ridiculed religion today? I roll down my windows and scream “evil pagans” when I drive by a church with people outside. I tell them how stupid they must be to allow themselves to be brainwashed. I report our Cardinal to the IRS. I called EVERY Catholic church in the area to tell them they are out of line preaching against my marriage when they had that hateful “save marriage sunday” during our debate in MA.

      I called the United Way and made sure none of my money goes to religion.

      I left HRC over their religous outreach. I have a Pentacostal friend about to leave her church thanks to me.

      WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? Complaining to the choir on this site won’t help. Get out there, get loud and get mean! They’ve done it to us for millenia.

      If we fight the evil scourge of religion we will win. We will cut off their funding and they’ll whither on the vine.

      I just told a religious person that by giving money to the church she is promoting bigotry. These statements hurt people and make them think. We have to take on that role. I’m not willing to roll over and I’m asking all of you to stand with me.

      It is time to take back our rights. Out religion for the horrible force it is in our society. Do not appease! Do not let people say it is tradition! Do not let your neighbors take their kids to church without telling them it is abuse! Do not shoo the Jehovah’s away, engage them. I just scared the you know what out of two little Jehovah kids. I told them they were brainwashed and their parents were abusing them. I told them they were being immoral spreading religions hate. I told them to go to school and really listen and ask their teachers.

      I created two little atheists…maybe not now, but by the time they grow up. Believe me, they’ll remember me.

      what have you done?

  • Fred Said: November 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
    • It was only 41 years ago that interracial marriage in the US was legalized. The government is slow to move on these decisions.

 
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