SF city attorney prepares legal challenge to Prop 8
11.05.2008 3:51pm EST
Updated November 5, 2008 – 2:45 pm ET
Updated November 5, 2008 – 2:30 pm ET
(San Francisco, California) At least three lawsuits are are in the works to challenge Proposition 8, a proposed amendment to the California constitution that would ban same-sex marriage.One of the suits is planned by City of San Francisco attorney Dennis Herrera’s office. A second is by the three LGBT groups that won the historic California Supreme Court ruling that allowed same-sex marriage in the state. The third is by one of the couples who were married after the court ruling went into effect in May.
All three suits would begin if Prop 8 passes.
With 95 percent of the vote in across California the “Yes” votes have a slim lead: 52 – 48 percent. Though some outlets called the ballot measure in favor of the anti-gay ban a few hours ago, as many as 3 million ballots – late absentee and provisional ballots – are left to be counted.
It is those ballots that opponents of the amendment are counting on for the measure’s defeat. But most political watchers in the state say it is unlikely the additional ballots will change the result.
The American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a writ petition before the California Supreme Court on Wednesday, a preliminary move to a suit.
The petition charges that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the constitution’s core commitment to equality for everyone, by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group – lesbian and gay Californians.
The petition also says that Proposition 8 improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. The groups in the petition say that under the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.
The California Constitution itself sets out two ways to alter the document that sets the most basic rules about how state government works, the groups said in a statement.
Through the initiative process, voters can make relatively small changes to the constitution. But any measure that would change the underlying principles of the constitution must first be approved by the legislature before being submitted to the voters. That didn’t happen with Proposition 8, and that’s why it’s invalid, the petition said.
“If the voters approved an initiative that took the right to free speech away from women, but not from men, everyone would agree that such a measure conflicts with the basic ideals of equality enshrined in our constitution. Proposition 8 suffers from the same flaw – it removes a protected constitutional right - here, the right to marry - not from all Californians, but just from one group of us,” said Jenny Pizer, Senior Counsel with Lambda Legal. “That’s too big a change in the principles of our constitution to be made just by a bare majority of voters.”
Robin Tyler and Diane Olson, the first lesbian couple to be legally married in Los Angeles County, also plan a lawsuit against Proposition 8.
Their attorney, Gloria Allred, said the suit would argue that the measure is unconstitutional.
Proposition 8 is the first time such a vote has taken place in state where gay unions are legal.
A study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law indicated that by Election Day 2008, approximately18,000 same-sex couples had married in California.
Exit polls reported by CNN show that while a slim majority of white voters said they rejected the amendment, an equally slim majority of African American and Hispanic voters said they had voted for the amendment.
The battle for and against the measure, known as Proposition 8, cost more than $70 million, making it one of the most expensive ballot campaigns in history. Much of the money on both sides came from outside California.
Similar bans on same-sex marriage were approved by voters Tuesday in Florida and Arizona; while in Arkansas the electorate endorsed a measure to prevent same-sex couples from adopting.
Florida
In Florida, the ballot measure amends the state constitution to limit marriage to opposite sex couples and ban civil unions.
The amendment also could be used to deny partner benefits to unmarried couples who live together.
The amendment says, “Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.”
Constitutional amendments in Florida require a 60 percent majority. The marriage amendment won with 62 percent of the vote. Thirty-eight percent were opposed.
Florida already had a law restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, but supporters of the amendment say the law could be overturned in court.
Arizona
In Arizona, where a simple majority is needed to amend the state constitution, 56 percent of voters approved limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples.
It was the second time Arizona voters were asked to change the state’s constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
Voters rejected a similar state constitutional amendment in 2006. That measure would have also stopped the state from recognizing civil unions of same-sex couples.
Arizona law already prohibits same-sex marriages. Supporters say the amendment will “protect the sanctity of families” by preventing judges from overturning the 1996 state law.
Arkansas
Arkansas, which already has a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, now will limit adoptions and foster care of children to people who are legally married.
The ballot measure passed Tuesday by a wide margin – 57-43 percent.
The measure grew out of a state Supreme Court ruling last year that overturned a Child Welfare Agency Review Board policy that banned gay people from serving as foster parents.
In its unanimous ruling, the court said that “the driving force behind adoption of the regulations was not to promote the health, safety and welfare of foster children but rather based upon the board’s views of morality and its bias against homosexuals.”
The Arkansas Family Council – the same group that spearheaded Arkansas’ constitutional ban on same-sex marriage – collected enough signatures to place the adoption referendum before voters.
Connecticut
In Connecticut, a potential anti-gay measure was also on the ballot. Connecticut voters turned down a call for state constitutional convention.
Under the state constitution, the question automatically goes on the ballot only every 20 years.
Earlier this year, the state Supreme Court ruled that Connecticut’s civil unions law failed to provide equality. The first same-sex marriages in the state are slated to begin Nov. 12.
By chance, the automatic ballot question came up this year, raising fears that if voters agreed to a constitutional convention it would have been used to ban gay marriage.
The Family Institute of Connecticut had gone on record calling for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.




We will simply have to see what happens. To truly get everything we deserve (marriage, adoption and DADT type of stuff), we need to be in their faces. This means lobbying, not only on the national level, but the interpersonal level as well. We lost that night, Obama included us in his speech when he was talking about minorities not to be ignored, he’s not the reason we lost. We lost because of the initiative, and trying to link Obama to an initiative he couldn’t even vote on is stupid, ignorant and frankly hateful. Pull your head out of you bum and figure it out: its not their fault you don’t know how to speak up for yourself.
We lost because they shut us up.
IF the state of CA is going to treat marriage as a privelege to be granted to the worthy instead of a right granted to everyone, then it seems to me to make sense to deny the privelege to certain straight persons, too. LIke spousal abusers, child abusers, adulterers and felons, for example I mean, holy shit, felons can’t vote, but they can marry? I can vote, but I can’t marry? What sense does THAT make? Oh wait, I forgot, this is religious discrimination, so of course it makes NO sense.
Wow, right now I’m feeling a bit ashamed of my community…I know we all feel the pain of this proposition, but to be speaking so negatively about one race of people is very hypocritical. I am angry, I am hurt, but to start acting like the people who call us “abominations and perverts” is disheartening, because we are better than that. At least we now know which group of people in California we should begin speaking to and show them that we are every bit in need of their support and maybe we can gain some allies in our fight. We are better than this, and it’s time to show America that we mean business.
I disagree with you “mom” I think he genuinely will include us, but we have to remind him (more in due time) why he NEEDS to include us. Don’t think he won’t want your vote next time as well…
Most important thing he will do is, he will NOT put another conservative HATE Monger Supreme Court Justice on the court. I dont think he would VETO any rights for us as BUSH (A&& wipe) had threaten and intended to do.
I SURE AS HELL DONT BELIEVE MCPALIN WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR US AT ALL; More the same! She (Palin) stated in her Campaign that she would start a new federal marriage ammendment.
Obama and Biden just said they didn’t agree, but you notice they didn’t say they would stop it either.
We just need to Hold Obama and our Congress folks to higher standard. Maybe some of the Blacks that voted for Obama also voted for the marriage ammendmant with mean intentions or just plain ignorance, but I dont think every little thing black ppl. do should be taken out on Obama.
He’s MIXED race anyway. And Yes he knows it. Personally I dont think it matters, I just think blacks can celebrate but will need to realize we (GLBT) aren’t gonna sit back and let our rights fall by the waistside….
I don’t think our gay and lesbian black brothers and sisters will just sit quietly now and let that happen either. Well, I hope not. I hope that they as well will be inspired to become open and active, especially amongst mainstream blacks to express importance of ALL of us (LBGT) having equal right as well.
I think your comment is very negative and we get enough in the gay community, almost sounds like you want to promote negativity and that will get us NOWHERE.
“It’s all about the black man.” I disagree.
Obama threw us under the bus long ago. “I do not support same sex marriage.” He said it, and he meant it. And HRC and the Task Force and all the other gay people got googley-eyed and became Obama-zombies anyway.
People, OBAMA DOESN’T LIKE YOU. He isn’t going to do diddley for you. It’s all about the black man.
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We need to do more than challenge through the judicial system. It doesn’t matter if we think it’s a rights based issue or not. We know it’s the right thing to do, many people don’t think so. By having a court decides things, people think an opinion is being shoved down their throats. We need to convince people through direct dialogue and bring those in the middle to our side. Appealing to those in the middle rather than just facing the extremists is a new strategy to go. There’s a reason why conservatives go to the people–they know they will probably win that battle. We must take that away from them, instead of just entrenching with our supporters.
We need to start attacking the right-wings credibility. We need to boycott companies that support these organizations. Then we should file civil suits for violations of our civil rights!
I know that eventually, we will win because equality is on our side. We need to expose the right-wing for the liars they are. This distrimination WILL NOT STAND!!! It’s time to start thinking outside the box. (and no — I don’t mean violence).
All I know is is Pendorah’s Phat Azz is done already out the box!
It is on now! All we have to do is bring our happy GLBT (OF ALL BACKGROUNDS, THE RAINBOW) butts to march on DC (east coast), I say we go on the ONE YEAR ANNIVERSERY that the 1st gay couple got married in San Fran., the day Newsom married the first couple! That gives GLBT and equality Like minded people of any background, race, creed, whatever to organize and take our millions to the will be President OBAMA!
Lets show him and others just how big our rainbow family can be!
I agree with Ted and You can believe if you look at the supporters from the 60’s civil rights march and you see ALL THOSE WHITE FACES IN THE CROWD, Who the HELL do they think those people were? Other “Christians”? PLEASE BLACK AMERICA!!!
I give Obama and His Black followers ONE TERM to SHOW ME THE MONEY (Something, Even If its Not Marriage itself) Otherwise I’ll NEVER EVER EVER EVER Support another Minority group movement, EVER! ESPECIALLY FOR BLACKS! I am tired. I am beat. I was taught in school in the 70’s “we are all created equal” and I was nice, loving and kind and this is what you do to me because I am gay?
I Feel Like I done Been Beat with a Dirty Nasty Dish Rag and Smacked in the Gut with a Book they call the “Bible.”
Shame day. “You can’t have your cake and eat it too!” I’m not falling for STALE CAKE next election if I don’t see some Action within a FEW YEARS (He does need “some” time)
I am and WE (Gay people) should all reality be “LIBERTARIANS” period.
Let the ignants of this country have their Stale ass Dem and Neo Con Repub. Parties!
One good thing a FRIEND just reminded me before submitting this entry is that the Good thing about OBAMA (he is 1/2 white afterall) but nonetheless, he reminded me that Obama WANTS US or THE PEOPLE to come to him, to LET HIM KNOW WHAT WE NEED, How we feel, so I will have my big ole gay gay right there on the steps after he gets in and gets his new curtains up!!! Coming with me?
A sad but true look at gay rights and this election:
http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid64931.asp
Actually, African-Americans have gotten to where they are because of court rulings like Brown v. Board of Edu. and b/c of political expediency like LBJ’s move to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 shortly after JFK’s death. Non-violent protests were not a substitute for actual changes in the law (through the judicial process and the legislative process).
Naturally, I hope these lawsuits will prevail, but it sure would have been nice if they had been filed as soon as the initiative was certified to go on the ballot. It could have saved $70M and a lot of anguish and divisiveness.
Any one of these propositions to deny equal marriage rights to all persons is an afront to human dignity and goes against the basic premise of why America came to be in the first place, which is to pursue and grant equality to all of mankind. These propositions in various states should never have been put to public vote because what you end up doing is trumping the majority against a minority, and in these cases the majority is not always right especially when guided by fanatical religious extremists who have no idea what Jesus Christ taught about loving and treating equally one’s mankind. So yes, I am glad that the Gay Community is not going to let this lie, they have every right to fight for everything they believe in, in the pursuit of happiness and the American dream.