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	<title>Comments on: Prosecutor: Boy accused of Larry King murder owned White Supremist materials</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard King had been harassing the boy.  If some queer had come onto be, I wouldn&#039;t have shot the freak, but I sure woulda beat the pansy to death!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard King had been harassing the boy.  If some queer had come onto be, I wouldn&#8217;t have shot the freak, but I sure woulda beat the pansy to death!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is obviously of the mind similar to that of Terry McVeigh, may he burn in hell for eternity.

It is all about machoism, money, and religion.  And that is what gave our nation this tragedy.

Along with the right wing republicans who got elected on a platform of hating gays.

And the Alliance Defense Fund in AZ, anoher hate group, who seeing they were starting to lose re gays,  have targetted the transgender community.  So nice to see them get their faces smashed here in MD by the courts.

There ought to be a law - that hate crimes, and the people who cause them by getting others to do their dirty work, are all guilty of conspiracy in these events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is obviously of the mind similar to that of Terry McVeigh, may he burn in hell for eternity.</p>
<p>It is all about machoism, money, and religion.  And that is what gave our nation this tragedy.</p>
<p>Along with the right wing republicans who got elected on a platform of hating gays.</p>
<p>And the Alliance Defense Fund in AZ, anoher hate group, who seeing they were starting to lose re gays,  have targetted the transgender community.  So nice to see them get their faces smashed here in MD by the courts.</p>
<p>There ought to be a law &#8211; that hate crimes, and the people who cause them by getting others to do their dirty work, are all guilty of conspiracy in these events.</p>
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		<title>By: Trace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW John, that simply is a frightening concept there.  Seems we really are just one step away from thought police.

Crime is Crime is Crime.  It&#039;s either done with or without malice.  I can assure you that I would want someone prosecuted to the same extent if they killed a gay friend or a straight friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW John, that simply is a frightening concept there.  Seems we really are just one step away from thought police.</p>
<p>Crime is Crime is Crime.  It&#8217;s either done with or without malice.  I can assure you that I would want someone prosecuted to the same extent if they killed a gay friend or a straight friend.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/prosecutor-boy-accused-of-larry-king-murder-owned-white-supremist-materials/comment-page-2/#comment-23777</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Whether you’re killed for being gay, Catholic or just for wearing stripes with poka dots - YOU’RE JUST AS DEAD.)

A hate crime isn&#039;t a crime perpetrated against you. It is considered a crime against society. So, double jeopardy doesn&#039;t apply because they&#039;re separate offenses which stem from the same acts. 

It is similar to how they can nail you for robbery, concealed weapons charges, and assault with a deadly weapon (from a single incident). And that&#039;s precisely what Chief Justice William Rehnquist - who&#039;s certainly no liberal - said when the high court upheld the constitutionality of these laws. He also stated that since many other laws regulate conduct that &quot;incites unrest in the community,&quot; the freedom of expression matter should be subjected to a simple &quot;rational basis&quot; test. Do the states have a legitimate reason to restrict such behavior? The unanimous answer of the high court - including arch-conservatives Scalia and Thomas BTW - was: yes.

Essentially, murder is &quot;malum en se&quot; (evil in itself). There&#039;s an indvidual victim and the underlying act is always wrong. The hate crime statutes, in contrast, are &quot;mala prohibita&quot; (evil by convention). A claim has been made - by the legislature and prosecuting authority - that such behavior constitutes a substantive threat to the moral welfare of society at-large. Therefore, the victim of hate crimes isn&#039;t the dead person, but &quot;The People&quot; or (in the case of monarchies) &quot;The Crown&quot; itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Whether you’re killed for being gay, Catholic or just for wearing stripes with poka dots &#8211; YOU’RE JUST AS DEAD.)</p>
<p>A hate crime isn&#8217;t a crime perpetrated against you. It is considered a crime against society. So, double jeopardy doesn&#8217;t apply because they&#8217;re separate offenses which stem from the same acts. </p>
<p>It is similar to how they can nail you for robbery, concealed weapons charges, and assault with a deadly weapon (from a single incident). And that&#8217;s precisely what Chief Justice William Rehnquist &#8211; who&#8217;s certainly no liberal &#8211; said when the high court upheld the constitutionality of these laws. He also stated that since many other laws regulate conduct that &#8220;incites unrest in the community,&#8221; the freedom of expression matter should be subjected to a simple &#8220;rational basis&#8221; test. Do the states have a legitimate reason to restrict such behavior? The unanimous answer of the high court &#8211; including arch-conservatives Scalia and Thomas BTW &#8211; was: yes.</p>
<p>Essentially, murder is &#8220;malum en se&#8221; (evil in itself). There&#8217;s an indvidual victim and the underlying act is always wrong. The hate crime statutes, in contrast, are &#8220;mala prohibita&#8221; (evil by convention). A claim has been made &#8211; by the legislature and prosecuting authority &#8211; that such behavior constitutes a substantive threat to the moral welfare of society at-large. Therefore, the victim of hate crimes isn&#8217;t the dead person, but &#8220;The People&#8221; or (in the case of monarchies) &#8220;The Crown&#8221; itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way hate crimes work, then YES.  If you could prove that a gay person hurt a straight person because they were straight, then yes, they could be charged with a hate crime.  Truth is, that just doesn&#039;t happen though.
Furthermore, hate crimes don&#039;t exist for the individual victim: they are an acknowledgment that  some crimes are overt threats to the the rest of a community as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way hate crimes work, then YES.  If you could prove that a gay person hurt a straight person because they were straight, then yes, they could be charged with a hate crime.  Truth is, that just doesn&#8217;t happen though.<br />
Furthermore, hate crimes don&#8217;t exist for the individual victim: they are an acknowledgment that  some crimes are overt threats to the the rest of a community as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Trace</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/prosecutor-boy-accused-of-larry-king-murder-owned-white-supremist-materials/comment-page-2/#comment-23751</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, there is a news flash there.  Whether you&#039;re killed for being gay, Catholic or just for wearing stripes with poka dots - YOU&#039;RE JUST AS DEAD.  

If someone intentionally does harm to another, I want them punished to the full extent of the law. I don&#039;t care if they&#039;re 9, 90 or 190; there is a price to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, there is a news flash there.  Whether you&#8217;re killed for being gay, Catholic or just for wearing stripes with poka dots &#8211; YOU&#8217;RE JUST AS DEAD.  </p>
<p>If someone intentionally does harm to another, I want them punished to the full extent of the law. I don&#8217;t care if they&#8217;re 9, 90 or 190; there is a price to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/prosecutor-boy-accused-of-larry-king-murder-owned-white-supremist-materials/comment-page-2/#comment-23746</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crimes against Lesbians and gays are NOT &#039;hate crimes&#039; unless it can be proved that homophobia (hatred of homosexuals) was the reason--or a contributing factor--for the perpetrator&#039;s committing the crime.  It goes to &#039;motive&#039;.  This is NOT a case of &#039;special rights&#039;.  If a perpetrator assumes (incorrectly) that his victim is gay, and it can be proved that the crime was motivated by hatred of homosexuals, the perp can be charged with a &#039;hate crime&#039; even if his victim was heterosexual.

On the other hand, if a victim (gay or straight) is robbed or murdered only for the usual reasons, he should NOT be charged with a hate crime.  Some people--gay or straight--are robbed, assaulted or murdered not for being--or seeming to be--gay, but just for being a convenient target or for some entirely different reason than their sexual orientation, the perp shouldn&#039;t be charged with a hate crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crimes against Lesbians and gays are NOT &#8216;hate crimes&#8217; unless it can be proved that homophobia (hatred of homosexuals) was the reason&#8211;or a contributing factor&#8211;for the perpetrator&#8217;s committing the crime.  It goes to &#8216;motive&#8217;.  This is NOT a case of &#8216;special rights&#8217;.  If a perpetrator assumes (incorrectly) that his victim is gay, and it can be proved that the crime was motivated by hatred of homosexuals, the perp can be charged with a &#8216;hate crime&#8217; even if his victim was heterosexual.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if a victim (gay or straight) is robbed or murdered only for the usual reasons, he should NOT be charged with a hate crime.  Some people&#8211;gay or straight&#8211;are robbed, assaulted or murdered not for being&#8211;or seeming to be&#8211;gay, but just for being a convenient target or for some entirely different reason than their sexual orientation, the perp shouldn&#8217;t be charged with a hate crime.</p>
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		<title>By: old blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>old blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe no certain person, no matter what the reason should have more rights than the other. That is not fair. The law is the law. If someone commits murder then they should be charged and punished for the crime.
What if a Gay person did something to the straight person? Would they get a lighter sentence because they were Gay? 
This is a stupid prejudice law for one kind of a person and it should be outlawed. 
Shame on America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe no certain person, no matter what the reason should have more rights than the other. That is not fair. The law is the law. If someone commits murder then they should be charged and punished for the crime.<br />
What if a Gay person did something to the straight person? Would they get a lighter sentence because they were Gay?<br />
This is a stupid prejudice law for one kind of a person and it should be outlawed.<br />
Shame on America!</p>
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		<title>By: lil</title>
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		<dc:creator>lil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last time I checked, crimes against gays and lesbians were considered hate crimes as well. Why was the case elevated to a hate crime only after the supposed white supremacy materials were found?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last time I checked, crimes against gays and lesbians were considered hate crimes as well. Why was the case elevated to a hate crime only after the supposed white supremacy materials were found?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everyone advocating punishment to the full extent of the law.  He killed someone and we don&#039;t need him free in our society to repeat it.  We are too soft on real crime in this country while we lock up pot smokders.  20 years or 50 years?  What happens if it is 20, he is 35 when he gets out and continues killing (especially after developing more hatred of gays due to his treatment while in prison by fellow inmates).  50 years is better, he may be too old to think about killing anymore.  Yes he&#039;s young, where do we draw the line?  I don&#039;t know..but here&#039;s a suggestion.

Give his father the option to go to jail with him and split his term.  That man obviously instilled some hatred in his son, and if he doesn&#039;t think the sentance is fair, cut it in half by sharing it.

That only after we figure out where he got the gun from..if from his father, then he should be tried on his own charges.

People should be responsible for the actions of their children if they don&#039;t want their children tried as adults. And they should be hauled in on negligence or negatively influencing a minor charges if it can be shown they prodded this behaviour by making a gun available or teaching them to hate.  Breeders let their children run around restaurants, disturb us on flights, make the mall and Walmart TOTALLY off limits for me due to not being able to stand their behaviour and there are no consequences.  Why don&#039;t parents get ticketed when their children are ill-behaved (I remember behaving poorly in public only once...because I really remember the big slap I received for it).

This case points to lack of parental responsibility and lack of the parents accepting the consequences of their actions.  They should have the child plead not guilty, forget the lawyer and throw him away.  They already failed him, it is too late.

And let&#039;s not make excuses for this kid, he was confused, might be gay himself etc. b.s.! We all knew bullies when we were young, and all the ones in my town ended up losers.  These kids are not just adolescents that need to grow up, they are parental failures and should be held accountable for their actions.  We simply need a tough society to shame parents out of producing such horrible little people instead of making excuses.  We are not a tough enough society on the real issues like bad parenting, instead we focus on &quot;immoral&quot; acts that religious people can&#039;t stand like alcohol consumption and sex.  It is pathetic what now passes as acceptable behavior.  We need to speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everyone advocating punishment to the full extent of the law.  He killed someone and we don&#8217;t need him free in our society to repeat it.  We are too soft on real crime in this country while we lock up pot smokders.  20 years or 50 years?  What happens if it is 20, he is 35 when he gets out and continues killing (especially after developing more hatred of gays due to his treatment while in prison by fellow inmates).  50 years is better, he may be too old to think about killing anymore.  Yes he&#8217;s young, where do we draw the line?  I don&#8217;t know..but here&#8217;s a suggestion.</p>
<p>Give his father the option to go to jail with him and split his term.  That man obviously instilled some hatred in his son, and if he doesn&#8217;t think the sentance is fair, cut it in half by sharing it.</p>
<p>That only after we figure out where he got the gun from..if from his father, then he should be tried on his own charges.</p>
<p>People should be responsible for the actions of their children if they don&#8217;t want their children tried as adults. And they should be hauled in on negligence or negatively influencing a minor charges if it can be shown they prodded this behaviour by making a gun available or teaching them to hate.  Breeders let their children run around restaurants, disturb us on flights, make the mall and Walmart TOTALLY off limits for me due to not being able to stand their behaviour and there are no consequences.  Why don&#8217;t parents get ticketed when their children are ill-behaved (I remember behaving poorly in public only once&#8230;because I really remember the big slap I received for it).</p>
<p>This case points to lack of parental responsibility and lack of the parents accepting the consequences of their actions.  They should have the child plead not guilty, forget the lawyer and throw him away.  They already failed him, it is too late.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not make excuses for this kid, he was confused, might be gay himself etc. b.s.! We all knew bullies when we were young, and all the ones in my town ended up losers.  These kids are not just adolescents that need to grow up, they are parental failures and should be held accountable for their actions.  We simply need a tough society to shame parents out of producing such horrible little people instead of making excuses.  We are not a tough enough society on the real issues like bad parenting, instead we focus on &#8220;immoral&#8221; acts that religious people can&#8217;t stand like alcohol consumption and sex.  It is pathetic what now passes as acceptable behavior.  We need to speak out.</p>
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