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		<title>By: grabhamyoung</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again those Professional Heterosexualists have it all turned around backwards (a sign, by the way, of their perverse sexual urges). 

A gay judge shouldn&#039;t have to recuse himself from cases involving marriage rights. It&#039;s married heterosexual judges that must recuse themselves from such decision-making. Since over half of all heterosexuals ARE WRONG ABOUT THEIR OWN MARRIAGES (resulting in divorce) - clearly they are in no position to rule competently in such a matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again those Professional Heterosexualists have it all turned around backwards (a sign, by the way, of their perverse sexual urges). </p>
<p>A gay judge shouldn&#8217;t have to recuse himself from cases involving marriage rights. It&#8217;s married heterosexual judges that must recuse themselves from such decision-making. Since over half of all heterosexuals ARE WRONG ABOUT THEIR OWN MARRIAGES (resulting in divorce) &#8211; clearly they are in no position to rule competently in such a matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Budbud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Budbud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever thinks Judge Walker should recuse himself is ABSURD!  So GAYS and GAYS ALONE shouldn&#039;t have, can&#039;t have a gay judge deciding on issues which affect gays?  Would you say that about oh...ANY OTHER group?  

Should female judges not hear cases pertaining to womens rights?  Who should decide custody in divorce cases...hermaphrodite judges only?  Would you say this about Latino judges, black judges, Asian judges etc.?  

Should black judges be allowed to preside over cases involving black plaintiffs or defendents, especailly when one of the sides isn&#039;t black?  Oh wait, that happens every day and no one would suggest that it not!

I actually fear that having a gay judge hear this case could work against us.  He COULD be so concerned about an APPEARANCE of bias that he actually goes against his instincts and really looks for a way to rule for the defense, just to make some stupid point about his judicial purity.

The judge appointed to this case could have JUST AS EASILY been a flaming evangelical Christian.  You play the cards you&#039;re dealt when you go into a court room.  Perhaps a little thing called Karma is catching up with the good people at NOM!  NOM is not entitled to a judge who is straight or anything else.  How many conservative, religious, STRAIGHT judges have ruled on various gay rights cases through the years?  I don&#039;t hear the gay community crying foul over that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever thinks Judge Walker should recuse himself is ABSURD!  So GAYS and GAYS ALONE shouldn&#8217;t have, can&#8217;t have a gay judge deciding on issues which affect gays?  Would you say that about oh&#8230;ANY OTHER group?  </p>
<p>Should female judges not hear cases pertaining to womens rights?  Who should decide custody in divorce cases&#8230;hermaphrodite judges only?  Would you say this about Latino judges, black judges, Asian judges etc.?  </p>
<p>Should black judges be allowed to preside over cases involving black plaintiffs or defendents, especailly when one of the sides isn&#8217;t black?  Oh wait, that happens every day and no one would suggest that it not!</p>
<p>I actually fear that having a gay judge hear this case could work against us.  He COULD be so concerned about an APPEARANCE of bias that he actually goes against his instincts and really looks for a way to rule for the defense, just to make some stupid point about his judicial purity.</p>
<p>The judge appointed to this case could have JUST AS EASILY been a flaming evangelical Christian.  You play the cards you&#8217;re dealt when you go into a court room.  Perhaps a little thing called Karma is catching up with the good people at NOM!  NOM is not entitled to a judge who is straight or anything else.  How many conservative, religious, STRAIGHT judges have ruled on various gay rights cases through the years?  I don&#8217;t hear the gay community crying foul over that.</p>
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		<title>By: gatcgatc</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatcgatc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is be a bit of a knee-jerk reaction by those that say a gay judge would be biased in hearing a marriage equality case. Even if we make the unwarranted assumption that this were true, how would a straight judge be any less biased? Would a Christian judge not also be biased one way or the other? Think back to the California Supreme Court decision where the Chief Justice George commented that it was not unreasonable to exclude gays and lesbians from the use of the word marriage as long as the underlying rights were protected. Hmmmm, I wonder if Justice George would have no qualms about getting a divorce then and settling for a domestic partnership instead. It would seem that his failure to do so may reflect some underlying bias on his part. Some blogs have suggested a bisexual judge would be best. But then again a bisexual is also a member of a sexual minority and thus could also be viewed as being biased. In this case, I don’t think that a good argument could be made that any judge would be completely unbiased.  

What about civil rights cases do ethnic minority judges recuse themselves from these cases? What about sexual harassment cases, do female judges recuse themselves from these cases. More importantly, why would anyone rationally expect a white judge or a male judge to be unbiased in these cases. 

The real issue here is one of historical privilege and entitlement. Straight white males have long enjoyed being at the top of the food chain and thus often have difficulty recognizing deep seated biases while at the same time viewing those who are racially or otherwise different as inherently biased when dealing with issues of race etc. That is the perfect illustration of what it really means to be racist, sexist and heterosexist.

Food for thought,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is be a bit of a knee-jerk reaction by those that say a gay judge would be biased in hearing a marriage equality case. Even if we make the unwarranted assumption that this were true, how would a straight judge be any less biased? Would a Christian judge not also be biased one way or the other? Think back to the California Supreme Court decision where the Chief Justice George commented that it was not unreasonable to exclude gays and lesbians from the use of the word marriage as long as the underlying rights were protected. Hmmmm, I wonder if Justice George would have no qualms about getting a divorce then and settling for a domestic partnership instead. It would seem that his failure to do so may reflect some underlying bias on his part. Some blogs have suggested a bisexual judge would be best. But then again a bisexual is also a member of a sexual minority and thus could also be viewed as being biased. In this case, I don’t think that a good argument could be made that any judge would be completely unbiased.  </p>
<p>What about civil rights cases do ethnic minority judges recuse themselves from these cases? What about sexual harassment cases, do female judges recuse themselves from these cases. More importantly, why would anyone rationally expect a white judge or a male judge to be unbiased in these cases. </p>
<p>The real issue here is one of historical privilege and entitlement. Straight white males have long enjoyed being at the top of the food chain and thus often have difficulty recognizing deep seated biases while at the same time viewing those who are racially or otherwise different as inherently biased when dealing with issues of race etc. That is the perfect illustration of what it really means to be racist, sexist and heterosexist.</p>
<p>Food for thought,</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the right wing already is making a big deal out of this.  Just got an hysterical email from NOM talking about how this whole trial is biased because of Judge Walker.  Of course, they cannot point to a single ruling he has made to far that was not well within his proper discretionary powers and grounded in solid legal precedent, but that doesn&#039;t matter.  According to NOM, he is biased because he cannot hear the case without being biased.  Talk about your circular reasoning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the right wing already is making a big deal out of this.  Just got an hysterical email from NOM talking about how this whole trial is biased because of Judge Walker.  Of course, they cannot point to a single ruling he has made to far that was not well within his proper discretionary powers and grounded in solid legal precedent, but that doesn&#8217;t matter.  According to NOM, he is biased because he cannot hear the case without being biased.  Talk about your circular reasoning!</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hypocrites on the USSC will eventually get to rule on this very topic of the supposed conflict of interest.  But there should be one conservative judge that has to vote in our favor, if of course, he&#039;s truely not a hypocrite. 

Of course we know better than to expect them to follow their own twisted logic.

See exerpt from CNN below:

5/6/2004 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia refused Thursday to recuse himself from an upcoming case involving Vice President Dick Cheney, with whom he recently hunted and dined.

&quot;I do not believe my impartiality can reasonably be questioned,&quot; Scalia said in a 21-page memorandum, rejecting suggestions of an appearance of a conflict of interest.

&quot;If it is reasonable to think that a Supreme Court Justice can be bought so cheap, the Nation is in deeper trouble than I had imagined,&quot; he wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hypocrites on the USSC will eventually get to rule on this very topic of the supposed conflict of interest.  But there should be one conservative judge that has to vote in our favor, if of course, he&#8217;s truely not a hypocrite. </p>
<p>Of course we know better than to expect them to follow their own twisted logic.</p>
<p>See exerpt from CNN below:</p>
<p>5/6/2004 WASHINGTON (CNN) &#8212; U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia refused Thursday to recuse himself from an upcoming case involving Vice President Dick Cheney, with whom he recently hunted and dined.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not believe my impartiality can reasonably be questioned,&#8221; Scalia said in a 21-page memorandum, rejecting suggestions of an appearance of a conflict of interest.</p>
<p>&#8220;If it is reasonable to think that a Supreme Court Justice can be bought so cheap, the Nation is in deeper trouble than I had imagined,&#8221; he wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a judge being Gay disqualifies him or her from hearing a case on equality rights for LGBT people, then a Christian judge would be disqualified from hearing a case on the rights of Christians.  The fact is that a judge is to make her or his decisions on the basis of evidence and the Constititution.  His or her sexual orientation or religious beliefs are irrelevant— or at least should be irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a judge being Gay disqualifies him or her from hearing a case on equality rights for LGBT people, then a Christian judge would be disqualified from hearing a case on the rights of Christians.  The fact is that a judge is to make her or his decisions on the basis of evidence and the Constititution.  His or her sexual orientation or religious beliefs are irrelevant— or at least should be irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: ron_marvin12</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron_marvin12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should not be an issue. Apparently Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker is a competent judge. I believe that his decision/s will be based on ethics and fairness on both sides. Is it always necessary that the judge who&#039;s presiding be heterosexual? That&#039;s what is not fair. It&#039;s crazy how people get nervous when gays are in the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should not be an issue. Apparently Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker is a competent judge. I believe that his decision/s will be based on ethics and fairness on both sides. Is it always necessary that the judge who&#8217;s presiding be heterosexual? That&#8217;s what is not fair. It&#8217;s crazy how people get nervous when gays are in the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: qolson</title>
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		<dc:creator>qolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is almost as good as when Brian Brown gets to the pearly gates and finds out Jesus is gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is almost as good as when Brian Brown gets to the pearly gates and finds out Jesus is gay.</p>
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		<title>By: BrigidsBlest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That took no time at all. A friend of mine got forwarded the latest campaign email from NOM:



Got Bias? San Francisco Chronicle Reports Prop 8 Judge Vaughn Walker is Gay
Monday, February 8, 2010 5:56 PM
From:
&quot;Brian Brown&quot;


Dear Friend of Marriage,

In a story this Sunday (Feb. 7), the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Prop 8 Judge Vaughn Walker is gay and called his orientation, &quot;The biggest open secret in the landmark trial over same-sex marriage.&quot;

We have no idea whether the report is true or not. But we do know one really big important fact about Judge Walker: He&#039;s been an amazingly biased and one-sided force throughout this trial, far more akin to an activist than a neutral referee. That&#039;s no secret at all.

Protect Marriage, the defendants in this case are effectively being held hostage by Judge Walker and cannot really comment.

But Judge Walker&#039;s bias from the bench includes:

A series of rulings permitting deep and deeply irrelevant &quot;fishing expeditions&quot; into the private and personal motivations and secret campaign strategy of campaign proponents. It wasn&#039;t six guys at Protect Marriage that passed Prop 8 it was 7 million Californians. But Judge Walker went so far as to order the Prop 8 campaign to disclose private internal communications about messages that were considered for public use but never actually used. He even ordered the campaign to turn over copies of all internal records and e-mail messages relating to campaign strategy.

Even though the Prop 8 supporters were forced to turn over private, internal documents and emails, Walker has refused to demand the same from opponents of the measure. In fact, Walker has refused to even rule on a motion to compel the discovery of this information, even though he has already closed testimony in the case. That alone is an unbelievable tilting of the playing field.

Walker has presided over a show trial designed to generate sympathetic headlines and news coverage for gay marriage supporters. Witness after witness was allowed to testify about their &quot;expert&quot; opinion that homosexuals have been discriminated against, that they feel badly when society does not validate their relationships, and that the passage of Prop 8 was simply an echo of historic prejudice and bigotry foisted on society by religious zealots.

To show the lengths that Walker has gone to create a &quot;record&quot; favoring the plaintiffs, he even allowed one &quot;expert&quot; witness -- a gay man from Colorado who has never lived in California and was never exposed to any Prop 8 campaign messages -- to testify that his parents&#039; efforts to change his sexual orientation failed.

But the most egregious, and damaging, of all of Judge Walker&#039;s rulings was his determination to violate federal rules to broadcast his show trial worldwide. The US Supreme Court eventually blocked Walker&#039;s efforts (and rapped his biased knuckles sharply!) finding that he improperly changed the rules &quot;at the eleventh hour&quot; in violation of federal law. (Unfortunately, however, but by the time the Supreme Court issued a permanent stay two days into trial, the supporters of Prop 8 had already lost two-thirds of their expert witnesses who feared retaliation from the publicity).

Judge Walker&#039;s bias has been so extreme, he&#039;s earned a rare judicial &quot;twofer.&quot; Key elements of his &quot;fishing expedition&quot; rulings were already reversed by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (notably one of the most liberal in the nation) and the Supreme Court had to step in to block his illegal attempt to broadcast the trial.

It is highly unusual for a higher court to have to intercede in a trial judge&#039;s handling of a trial while it is going on -- yet Walker has had that &quot;distinction&quot; twice in the same case -- and we&#039;re not yet even at closing arguments.

There&#039;s only one saving grace to Judge Walker&#039;s bias. It&#039;s so big, and so obvious, not only the American public but the Supreme Court itself is already aware we have bias in the trial judge presiding.
Brian Brown

Faithfully,

Brian S. Brown
Executive Director
National Organization for Marriage
20 Nassau Street, Suite 242
Princeton, NJ 08542
bbrown@nationformarriage.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That took no time at all. A friend of mine got forwarded the latest campaign email from NOM:</p>
<p>Got Bias? San Francisco Chronicle Reports Prop 8 Judge Vaughn Walker is Gay<br />
Monday, February 8, 2010 5:56 PM<br />
From:<br />
&#8220;Brian Brown&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear Friend of Marriage,</p>
<p>In a story this Sunday (Feb. 7), the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Prop 8 Judge Vaughn Walker is gay and called his orientation, &#8220;The biggest open secret in the landmark trial over same-sex marriage.&#8221;</p>
<p>We have no idea whether the report is true or not. But we do know one really big important fact about Judge Walker: He&#8217;s been an amazingly biased and one-sided force throughout this trial, far more akin to an activist than a neutral referee. That&#8217;s no secret at all.</p>
<p>Protect Marriage, the defendants in this case are effectively being held hostage by Judge Walker and cannot really comment.</p>
<p>But Judge Walker&#8217;s bias from the bench includes:</p>
<p>A series of rulings permitting deep and deeply irrelevant &#8220;fishing expeditions&#8221; into the private and personal motivations and secret campaign strategy of campaign proponents. It wasn&#8217;t six guys at Protect Marriage that passed Prop 8 it was 7 million Californians. But Judge Walker went so far as to order the Prop 8 campaign to disclose private internal communications about messages that were considered for public use but never actually used. He even ordered the campaign to turn over copies of all internal records and e-mail messages relating to campaign strategy.</p>
<p>Even though the Prop 8 supporters were forced to turn over private, internal documents and emails, Walker has refused to demand the same from opponents of the measure. In fact, Walker has refused to even rule on a motion to compel the discovery of this information, even though he has already closed testimony in the case. That alone is an unbelievable tilting of the playing field.</p>
<p>Walker has presided over a show trial designed to generate sympathetic headlines and news coverage for gay marriage supporters. Witness after witness was allowed to testify about their &#8220;expert&#8221; opinion that homosexuals have been discriminated against, that they feel badly when society does not validate their relationships, and that the passage of Prop 8 was simply an echo of historic prejudice and bigotry foisted on society by religious zealots.</p>
<p>To show the lengths that Walker has gone to create a &#8220;record&#8221; favoring the plaintiffs, he even allowed one &#8220;expert&#8221; witness &#8212; a gay man from Colorado who has never lived in California and was never exposed to any Prop 8 campaign messages &#8212; to testify that his parents&#8217; efforts to change his sexual orientation failed.</p>
<p>But the most egregious, and damaging, of all of Judge Walker&#8217;s rulings was his determination to violate federal rules to broadcast his show trial worldwide. The US Supreme Court eventually blocked Walker&#8217;s efforts (and rapped his biased knuckles sharply!) finding that he improperly changed the rules &#8220;at the eleventh hour&#8221; in violation of federal law. (Unfortunately, however, but by the time the Supreme Court issued a permanent stay two days into trial, the supporters of Prop 8 had already lost two-thirds of their expert witnesses who feared retaliation from the publicity).</p>
<p>Judge Walker&#8217;s bias has been so extreme, he&#8217;s earned a rare judicial &#8220;twofer.&#8221; Key elements of his &#8220;fishing expedition&#8221; rulings were already reversed by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (notably one of the most liberal in the nation) and the Supreme Court had to step in to block his illegal attempt to broadcast the trial.</p>
<p>It is highly unusual for a higher court to have to intercede in a trial judge&#8217;s handling of a trial while it is going on &#8212; yet Walker has had that &#8220;distinction&#8221; twice in the same case &#8212; and we&#8217;re not yet even at closing arguments.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one saving grace to Judge Walker&#8217;s bias. It&#8217;s so big, and so obvious, not only the American public but the Supreme Court itself is already aware we have bias in the trial judge presiding.<br />
Brian Brown</p>
<p>Faithfully,</p>
<p>Brian S. Brown<br />
Executive Director<br />
National Organization for Marriage<br />
20 Nassau Street, Suite 242<br />
Princeton, NJ 08542<br />
<a href="mailto:bbrown@nationformarriage.org">bbrown@nationformarriage.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry defense. opps</description>
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