Patrick Kennedy clashes with outspoken RI bishop
11.13.2009 8:37am EST
(Providence, RI) Thomas Tobin, the Roman Catholic bishop of Providence, has made a career out of putting politicians in his crosshairs, but his latest battle over abortion threatens to spiritually exile Rep. Patrick Kennedy, a son of the nation’s most famous Roman Catholic family.
Their feud over a proposal expanding the nation’s health insurance system has escalated to the point where Tobin has publicly questioned Kennedy’s faith and membership in the church and said he should not receive communion, the central sacrament in Catholic worship.It’s an uncomfortable tangle of faith and politics for a congressman whose uncle John F. Kennedy was elected the first Roman Catholic president in 1960 after declaring to wary Protestants that he did not speak for his church on public matters, and that the church did not speak for him.
“I don’t think there’s any winner here,” said the Rev. Thomas Reese, a church observer and senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University. “I think this is the kind of thing that would be better discussed between a member of Congress and his bishop behind closed doors.”
Patrick Kennedy is among several Catholic politicians to clash with their bishops over abortion, which the church considers a paramount moral evil not open for negotiation. Fewer than 20 of the roughly 200 bishops overseeing U.S. dioceses have threatened to deny communion to Catholic politicians who support abortion, Reese said.
“I don’t think you’ll find widespread support among Catholics for this,” he said.
Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, Kan., has said that U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, a Catholic Democrat who supports abortion rights, should stop taking communion until she changes her stance.
Former Archbishop Raymond Burke of St. Louis has said he would withhold communion from politicians who support abortion, such as former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican who also ran afoul of the church because he is divorced.
Kennedy stumbled into the conflict last month when in an interview with CNSNews.com he publicly criticized the nation’s Catholic bishops for threatening to oppose a reform of the health care system – a goal the church supports – unless it included tighter restrictions on publicly financed abortion.
It was a loaded statement by a congressman representing the most heavily Roman Catholic state. And it drew the attention of Tobin, who in his four years in Providence has criticized Gov. Don Carcieri for launching a crackdown on illegal immigrants, bashed the state’s attorney general for supporting gay marriage and excoriated Giuliani over his abortion stance.
An angry Tobin fired back, calling Kennedy ignorant of church policy. He asked for an apology and a meeting.
In a letter, Kennedy agreed to a sitdown and said his Catholic faith is founded on the principles of feeding the hungry, clothing the poor and caring for the less fortunate. Kennedy voted against an amendment tightening abortion restrictions in a Democratic health care plan, but he voted in favor of the overall proposal that included those restrictions.
“While I greatly respect the Catholic Church and its leaders, like many Rhode Islanders, the fact that I disagree with the hierarchy of the church on some issues does not make me any less of a Catholic,” Kennedy wrote in a letter to Tobin, agreeing to a meeting Thursday. “I embrace my faith which acknowledges the existence of an imperfect humanity.”
Their planned meeting fell apart Monday. The bishop called it a mutual decision, but Kennedy accused Tobin of reneging on an agreement to stop discussing his faith publicly. Tobin responded to Kennedy’s letter with a scathing criticism.
“Sorry, you can’t chalk it up to an ‘imperfect humanity.’ Your position is unacceptable to the Church and scandalous to many of our members. It absolutely diminishes your communion with the Church,” Tobin said, who also appealed to the Kennedy family legacy.
“It’s not too late for you to repair your relationship with the Church, redeem your public image, and emerge as an authentic ‘profile in courage,’” Tobin said, referring to the title of the Pulitzer Prize-winning book written by John Kennedy.
Tobin says Kennedy, like other pro-choice politicians, should not receive communion. But he has stopped short of ordering Kennedy not to participate.
The Kennedys have a complicated relationship with the church. President Kennedy was never forced to confront the issues of abortion or gay marriage. He received mild criticism from church leaders for opposing diplomatic ties with the Vatican and public funding for Catholic schools.
Patrick Kennedy’s father, the late Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, supported abortion rights but also championed other causes of the church, including expanding assistance for the poor and advocating for reforming the immigration system.
Suffering from terminal brain cancer, Sen. Kennedy wrote a letter to Pope Benedict XVI acknowledging he had been “an imperfect human being” but tried to right his path with the help of his faith. A priest attended to Kennedy on his deathbed, and Cardinal Sean O’Malley, the archbishop of Boston, presided at his funeral Mass.
Rhode Island’s Catholics have mixed feelings about the clash.
Michael Bingham, 61, said Kennedy invited the criticism because he calls himself a Catholic.
“What the bishop is saying is ‘OK, you’re not really a Roman Catholic in good standing because you’re not defending innocent life, which the church teaches us we’re called to do,” Bingham said. “And he’s calling him to the plate on that.”
Ann Doherty, who attended a morning Mass in Providence, said she believed both men were speaking from their hearts. She opposes abortion but is uncomfortable imposing her choices on other people.
“We have a history in the church of people who have spoken out for the things they believed in. And some of them, we’ve made saints out of. And others, we haven’t.”





Do not give in Patrick.
Tobin is out of line. He is not God and has no right to Judge Kennedy. God is the one who sits in Judgement. The leadership of the Catholic Church will have alot they will be Judged on in the next life considering the abuse they allowed to go on for years. if Tobin wants to Judge someone he should start by looking within himself.
So, in other words according to this Bishop if he comes out (no pun intended) as a gay bashing, abortion foe he’s ok with the church???
Why would he or anyone even want to be affiliated with these people?
And one again I don’t care if it’s a priest or a bishop or the f***** pope.
STOP STICKING YOUR HOLY NOSES IN POLITICS!!!
Either shut up or start paying taxes.
When the Church or it’s representatives use their rites as spiritual blackmail to attempt to force lawmakers to vote in the Church’s interest instead of the constituency of those representatives which do NOT agree with the Church, it’s time that those Churches were TAXED as any other Political Action Committee.
Looks like religion is now the new official 3rd political party in our country, threatening, bullying and dictating the do as I say or else religious rule of the church. People like Kennedy should remove themselves from the catholic church and seek out a more loving accepting church.
Right now, LGBT people have taxation without full representation, ergo NO full equality. Whereas, the roman cult among others, has full representation without taxation. There is something terribly wrong with that equation.
Witness the roman cult inserting itself into the house version of the health care reform bill by calling for an exclusion of abortion procedures to not be covered by insurance. Since when does any religious cult have a say in legislation? And Pelosi caves in to the bastards!. Time for these bastards to be taken on once and for all, starting with the removal of their tax-exemption. In a true democracy, NOBODY should be above the law or given special privileges. Make the parasites pay up once and for all. Why should LGBT keep shouldering these religious cults share of taxes part of which supports schools for the breeders and their kids. Enough I say. Lets demand that in the absence of full equality, we get a full tax break at both federal and state levels, exempting us from those privileges and benefits we are denied. That’ll send this administration into a hissy fit once and for all. This should be part of the marriage equality debate, put it out there, NOW.
I wonder why the Catholics are not having any trouble with giving the soldiers communion??
no on abortion,, wait till the kids are 18 and send them to be killed overseas.
The old Pope John Paul II ordered the clergy to get out and stay out of politics in 1978. Since he is “God on Earth” his orders are infallible. My homeroom teacher was a priest and a council member of a nearby town and had to step down due to the edict.
Now the new pope wants the clergy to be heavily involved in politics and his word is the word of god on Earth and infallible.
So looks like god has made a mistake here by reversing himself which is impossible because he is always right. This now means that the catholic church must self implode as in the movie Dogma .
If only.
This is just an example of the beginning of the second inquisition. Fear is the catalyst. Catholics are leaving their Church for Protestantism in numbers not seen since the Reformation. But Kennedy and all those who believe in the true cause of full civil rights must not cede any moral high ground to these new inquisitors.
As we know for decades, if not centuries these same clerics allowed free reign to pedophiles and sexual molestors in their own ranks. They have no moral high ground to stand on.
As a friend of mine told me this morning “There is nothing wrong with the Catholic Church that about 200 funerals couldn’t fix” (Well said, C!)
If only Rep. Kennedy had followed his, “the fact that I disagree with the hierarchy of the church on some issues does not make me any less of a Catholic” with “AND IT DOESN’T MAKE YOU ANY more CATHOLIC!”
But then it’s only the Professional Religious that are permitted the latitude to make such statements.
Why is a foreign country (The Vatican) writing US health care policy?
Bishop Tobin needs to realize that representatives elected to office are elected to represent all the people and not the church. For some time the Roman Catholic church has been threatening to withhold sacraments from and excommunicate Roman Catholics elected to congress, parliament and state or provincial legislatures unless they vote in accord with church teachings. This may well be illegal since it is against the law to procure the vote of an elected representative through threats or bribery. Our elected representatives need to enforce the law here and if a few bishops go to jail for their threats, so be it.
These Catholics are disgusting they like to say they are Christian but they are nothing like a Christian I should know I’m Christian and my faith would have never allowed me to do what they are doing in D.C.