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		<title>By: S Saxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Saxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the popular vote as a means to deny the equal rights of a minority is not Democracy!  It is voter approved bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the popular vote as a means to deny the equal rights of a minority is not Democracy!  It is voter approved bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1360832383">Gabriel Lopez-Allen</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1360832383">Gabriel Lopez-Allen</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo! This letter speaks the truth and states the facts. Why should GLBT Americans pay the same in taxes when we do not receive equal rights of American citizenship? (We actually pay more!) This argument alone will assure victory of having our relationships recognized on a federal level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo! This letter speaks the truth and states the facts. Why should GLBT Americans pay the same in taxes when we do not receive equal rights of American citizenship? (We actually pay more!) This argument alone will assure victory of having our relationships recognized on a federal level.</p>
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		<title>By: FDC1353</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDC1353</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautifully written letter! I could not have said it better myself. I intend to forward this letter (crediting Steven)to everyone that I know, to every politician that I can and to every newspaper in my state. It is time to demand respect and rights that we deserve as any other citizen! If we don&#039;t fight the religious right and bigots of this country now, it may soon be too late. We must get organized and inspired to fight hatred and bigotry! The
people and organizations who fight for our rights cannot do this alone. They need for us to stand behind them and help spread the word.  This letter and message needs to be read by as many people as possible. Don&#039;t cry later, act now!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautifully written letter! I could not have said it better myself. I intend to forward this letter (crediting Steven)to everyone that I know, to every politician that I can and to every newspaper in my state. It is time to demand respect and rights that we deserve as any other citizen! If we don&#8217;t fight the religious right and bigots of this country now, it may soon be too late. We must get organized and inspired to fight hatred and bigotry! The<br />
people and organizations who fight for our rights cannot do this alone. They need for us to stand behind them and help spread the word.  This letter and message needs to be read by as many people as possible. Don&#8217;t cry later, act now!!!</p>
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		<title>By: David in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a well written letter. Thanks for sharing. Whether it actually gets read is another issue.

One thing I like to ask these people is what makes Canadians so different from us? They&#039;ve had marriage equality for 6 years. Why is it an issue for this senator, but not an issue for an entire country? What I notice is these people live in a very small vacuum, and they don&#039;t want to acknowledge anything outside their own city limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a well written letter. Thanks for sharing. Whether it actually gets read is another issue.</p>
<p>One thing I like to ask these people is what makes Canadians so different from us? They&#8217;ve had marriage equality for 6 years. Why is it an issue for this senator, but not an issue for an entire country? What I notice is these people live in a very small vacuum, and they don&#8217;t want to acknowledge anything outside their own city limits.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we need  the new york newpapers to print this on the front page.  on  billbords everywhere  it can be read!

  It needs to be read by many</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need  the new york newpapers to print this on the front page.  on  billbords everywhere  it can be read!</p>
<p>  It needs to be read by many</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1175751856">Jen Wieland</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1175751856">Jen Wieland</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Jaxxy. And bravo to Paul Martin. I wish I could say that these words had been spoken by an American politician. In fact, the very spirit of this speech reminds me of what we are told about my American Forefathers. It deeply saddens me that these words WERE NOT spoken by one of my elected officials. When did Americans become so afraid of doing the right? We went from greatly outnumbered colonists willing to die for our freedoms, to bureaucrats and politicians too afraid, or too greedy, to stand up for their citizens. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m happy to be an American, and I love my country. I think it&#039;s a great country, and it&#039;s taken the first steps forward on many issues. As far as equal rights for its LGBT citizens, we are falling woefully behind. Our behavior regarding this issue has been shameful and wrong. The rights of a minority should NEVER be left to the whims of the majority... it spits in the eye of everything the United States is supposed to stand for... Equality, Freedom, and Justice for all. Why are we wondering if it&#039;s a good idea to give all of our citizens equal rights? I love my country, but I&#039;m deeply ashamed of my leaders, especially those in the Federal government. So far, they have failed to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Jaxxy. And bravo to Paul Martin. I wish I could say that these words had been spoken by an American politician. In fact, the very spirit of this speech reminds me of what we are told about my American Forefathers. It deeply saddens me that these words WERE NOT spoken by one of my elected officials. When did Americans become so afraid of doing the right? We went from greatly outnumbered colonists willing to die for our freedoms, to bureaucrats and politicians too afraid, or too greedy, to stand up for their citizens. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m happy to be an American, and I love my country. I think it&#8217;s a great country, and it&#8217;s taken the first steps forward on many issues. As far as equal rights for its LGBT citizens, we are falling woefully behind. Our behavior regarding this issue has been shameful and wrong. The rights of a minority should NEVER be left to the whims of the majority&#8230; it spits in the eye of everything the United States is supposed to stand for&#8230; Equality, Freedom, and Justice for all. Why are we wondering if it&#8217;s a good idea to give all of our citizens equal rights? I love my country, but I&#8217;m deeply ashamed of my leaders, especially those in the Federal government. So far, they have failed to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="693083193">Mark Wagstaff</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="693083193">Mark Wagstaff</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Steven and Jaxxy.  Steven for you very well thought out and intelligent letter.  And you Jaxxy, for your post about our neighbors to the north.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Steven and Jaxxy.  Steven for you very well thought out and intelligent letter.  And you Jaxxy, for your post about our neighbors to the north.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaxxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read the following,,, our leader at the time in Canada Paul Martin addressed parliament about same-gender marriage,, This is truly what makes canada a world leader amongst most other nations,,,

&quot;One final observation on this aspect of the issue: Religious leaders have strong views both for and against this legislation. They should express them. Certainly, many of us in this House, myself included, have a strong faith, and we value that faith and its influence on the decisions we make. But all of us have been elected to serve here as Parliamentarians. And as public legislators, we are responsible for serving all Canadians and protecting the rights of all Canadians.&quot;

&quot;We will be influenced by our faith but we also have an obligation to take the widest perspective -- to recognize that one of the great strengths of Canada is its respect for the rights of each and every individual, to understand that we must not shrink from the need to reaffirm the rights and responsibilities of Canadians in an evolving society.&quot;

&quot;The second argument ventured by opponents of the bill is that government ought to hold a national referendum on this issue. I reject this - not out of a disregard for the view of the people, but because it offends the very purpose of the Charter.&quot;

&quot;The Charter was enshrined to ensure that the rights of minorities are not subjected, are never subjected, to the will of the majority. The rights of Canadians who belong to a minority group must always be protected by virtue of their status as citizens, regardless of their numbers. These rights must never be left vulnerable to the impulses of the majority.&quot;

&quot;Will you take away a right as guaranteed under the Charter? I, for one, will answer that question, Mr. Speaker. I will answer it clearly. I will say no.

The notwithstanding clause is part of the Charter of Rights. But there&#039;s a reason that no prime minister has ever used it. For a prime minister to use the powers of his office to explicitly deny rather than affirm a right enshrined under the Charter would serve as a signal to all minorities that no longer can they look to the nation&#039;s leader and to the nation&#039;s Constitution for protection, for security, for the guarantee of their freedoms. We would risk becoming a country in which the defence of rights is weighed, calculated and debated based on electoral or other considerations.

That would set us back decades as a nation. It would be wrong for the minorities of this country. It would be wrong for Canada.

The Charter is a living document, the heartbeat of our Constitution. It is also a proclamation. It declares that as Canadians, we live under a progressive and inclusive set of fundamental beliefs about the value of the individual. It declares that we all are lessened when any one of us is denied a fundamental right.

For gays and lesbians, evolving social attitudes have, over the years, prompted a number of important changes in the law. Recall that, until the late 1960s, the state believed it had the right to peek into our bedrooms. Until 1977, homosexuality was still sufficient grounds for deportation. Until 1992, gay people were prohibited from serving in the military. In many parts of the country, gays and lesbians could not designate their partners as beneficiaries under employee medical and dental benefits, insurance policies or private pensions. Until very recently, people were being fired merely for being gay.

Today, we rightly see discrimination based on sexual orientation as arbitrary, inappropriate and unfair. Looking back, we can hardly believe that such rights were ever a matter for debate. It is my hope that we will ultimately see the current debate in a similar light; realizing that nothing has been lost or sacrificed by the majority in extending full rights to the minority.&quot;

~excerpts from Prime Minister Paul Martin&#039;s Throne Speech on February 16, 2005 when there was a rumble about revisiting the subject of same-gender marriage in Canada,,,,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read the following,,, our leader at the time in Canada Paul Martin addressed parliament about same-gender marriage,, This is truly what makes canada a world leader amongst most other nations,,,</p>
<p>&#8220;One final observation on this aspect of the issue: Religious leaders have strong views both for and against this legislation. They should express them. Certainly, many of us in this House, myself included, have a strong faith, and we value that faith and its influence on the decisions we make. But all of us have been elected to serve here as Parliamentarians. And as public legislators, we are responsible for serving all Canadians and protecting the rights of all Canadians.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We will be influenced by our faith but we also have an obligation to take the widest perspective &#8212; to recognize that one of the great strengths of Canada is its respect for the rights of each and every individual, to understand that we must not shrink from the need to reaffirm the rights and responsibilities of Canadians in an evolving society.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The second argument ventured by opponents of the bill is that government ought to hold a national referendum on this issue. I reject this &#8211; not out of a disregard for the view of the people, but because it offends the very purpose of the Charter.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Charter was enshrined to ensure that the rights of minorities are not subjected, are never subjected, to the will of the majority. The rights of Canadians who belong to a minority group must always be protected by virtue of their status as citizens, regardless of their numbers. These rights must never be left vulnerable to the impulses of the majority.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Will you take away a right as guaranteed under the Charter? I, for one, will answer that question, Mr. Speaker. I will answer it clearly. I will say no.</p>
<p>The notwithstanding clause is part of the Charter of Rights. But there&#8217;s a reason that no prime minister has ever used it. For a prime minister to use the powers of his office to explicitly deny rather than affirm a right enshrined under the Charter would serve as a signal to all minorities that no longer can they look to the nation&#8217;s leader and to the nation&#8217;s Constitution for protection, for security, for the guarantee of their freedoms. We would risk becoming a country in which the defence of rights is weighed, calculated and debated based on electoral or other considerations.</p>
<p>That would set us back decades as a nation. It would be wrong for the minorities of this country. It would be wrong for Canada.</p>
<p>The Charter is a living document, the heartbeat of our Constitution. It is also a proclamation. It declares that as Canadians, we live under a progressive and inclusive set of fundamental beliefs about the value of the individual. It declares that we all are lessened when any one of us is denied a fundamental right.</p>
<p>For gays and lesbians, evolving social attitudes have, over the years, prompted a number of important changes in the law. Recall that, until the late 1960s, the state believed it had the right to peek into our bedrooms. Until 1977, homosexuality was still sufficient grounds for deportation. Until 1992, gay people were prohibited from serving in the military. In many parts of the country, gays and lesbians could not designate their partners as beneficiaries under employee medical and dental benefits, insurance policies or private pensions. Until very recently, people were being fired merely for being gay.</p>
<p>Today, we rightly see discrimination based on sexual orientation as arbitrary, inappropriate and unfair. Looking back, we can hardly believe that such rights were ever a matter for debate. It is my hope that we will ultimately see the current debate in a similar light; realizing that nothing has been lost or sacrificed by the majority in extending full rights to the minority.&#8221;</p>
<p>~excerpts from Prime Minister Paul Martin&#8217;s Throne Speech on February 16, 2005 when there was a rumble about revisiting the subject of same-gender marriage in Canada,,,,,,</p>
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		<title>By: JerryM70</title>
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		<dc:creator>JerryM70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenting on Facebook User&#039;s comment #3.

It was never possible to use procreation as a reason to withhold the civil contract of marriage from same sex couples.  No jurisdiction in the United States has a requirement to create or adopt children as a condition of receiving a marriage license.

It&#039;s no different that getting a driver&#039;s license.  You have to pass a driving test but don&#039;t have to own a car.

With a marriage license the only test is that you be of a certain age, not in a legally binding relationship with another person or not be closer than certain degrees of blood relationships and even the last is not identical in all jurisdictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenting on Facebook User&#8217;s comment #3.</p>
<p>It was never possible to use procreation as a reason to withhold the civil contract of marriage from same sex couples.  No jurisdiction in the United States has a requirement to create or adopt children as a condition of receiving a marriage license.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no different that getting a driver&#8217;s license.  You have to pass a driving test but don&#8217;t have to own a car.</p>
<p>With a marriage license the only test is that you be of a certain age, not in a legally binding relationship with another person or not be closer than certain degrees of blood relationships and even the last is not identical in all jurisdictions.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1313653577">Lee Dorsey</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1313653577">Lee Dorsey</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just follow the arguments of Perry vs Schwarzenegger (how come it couldn&#039;t have been Brown, much easier to spell. Oh thats next year.) e.g. the Boies/Olson/Walker case.
So far Judge Walker has gotten the anti-gays to say
1)They do not have any evidence that gay marriages harm traditional ones. (Actually evidence is to the oppsite to date.)
2)They do not have any evidence that gay parenting is worse.
(Evidence is to the opposite.)
3)They cannot use the procreation defense at all, as Walker himself told them he had just married a 95 and 83 year old.
4) and soon he will have them try to describe how having 5 or so classes of &#039;marriage&#039; in California is not discriminatory.

Goes to trial Jan 11, 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just follow the arguments of Perry vs Schwarzenegger (how come it couldn&#8217;t have been Brown, much easier to spell. Oh thats next year.) e.g. the Boies/Olson/Walker case.<br />
So far Judge Walker has gotten the anti-gays to say<br />
1)They do not have any evidence that gay marriages harm traditional ones. (Actually evidence is to the oppsite to date.)<br />
2)They do not have any evidence that gay parenting is worse.<br />
(Evidence is to the opposite.)<br />
3)They cannot use the procreation defense at all, as Walker himself told them he had just married a 95 and 83 year old.<br />
4) and soon he will have them try to describe how having 5 or so classes of &#8216;marriage&#8217; in California is not discriminatory.</p>
<p>Goes to trial Jan 11, 2010.</p>
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