For me it’s this way:

I’m starving, so of course I will accept table scraps. Does that mean I stop clamoring for the meal? Of course not!

But that means that I won’t spit on table scraps and waste good food when I have a family to feed.

All I’ve been trying to do is debunk the rabidly anti-Obama rhetoric. When people take on extreme sides on any issues, you usually find that they put on blinders and spout increasingly extremist views about something or someone.

I really an mot trying to cheerlead for Obama, but Wayne says things that are blatantly untrue, I just try to stop and say, “Wait, but what you’re saying is directly contradicted by this official source.”

Sometimes it seems that Wayne would have opposed Abolition because it didn’t take care of anti-miscegenation as well, which I think is rather counter-productive.

The one point that Wayne has right is that Obama prevaricates and equivocates. Guess what? All politicians do. I have yet to see how Obama is worse than any other politician. You’ll never catch me saying he’s some sort of savior, but I do believe that since he talks such a good game, that gives us the tactical advantage is holding him to his promises. He bet a certain way with his social capital, and we better be the ones to make sure he pays his debts.

That doesn’t mean we lie about what he’s said, though. That kind of pressure is . . well, kinda stupid actually.

I think we have the same goal, but will chose to disagree on this one.

Actually this was basically my point exactly, that Obama is the best realistic option out there but that we shouldn’t cut him any slack when it comes to equality. We ARE in complete agreement here, it’s just that I’m going to celebrate any advance we make while still respectfully and forcefully asking for what we really deserve, which is full equality. I fully accept that the work of civil rights will never ever be done, things get slowly better and better and we just keep fighting, but if you don’t celebrate the minor victories then I don’t think you truly appreciate the advances we have made in civil rights.

Ok good, I’m glad we cleared that up! We’re basically saying the same thing, cm, it’s just that I choose to be happy with the few good things while staying unsatisfied in principle, while you choose to push the envelope with your dissatisfaction. If you look back at my posts, I’ve been saying over and over that we should not be satisfied with Civil Unions, but I’ve also said that I will take Civil Unions over having my husband deported because he’s not a citizen.

Wayne, on the other hand:

Wayne said: Civil Unions are NOT a step forward. It’s segregation! If anything it is a step backwards.

Wayne, would you mind explaining to cm and I how this is true? How are nationwide Civil Unions with all the 1100+ rights of marriage worse than no recognized relationships at all?

How exactly is freeing the slaves worse than keeping them enslaved?

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A step forward? Obama is advocating your SEGREGATION!!!! So you actually WANT to be segregated into a 2nd class (Separate but Equal) marriage status?! Jesus, that’s pathetic! No wonder so many gays voted for Obama. Gays don’t even seem to remember what pride is. You happily praise a politician who wants to segregate you? Is there a word worse than pathetic? I truly fear for the gay community in America.

Someone’s got to stand up, and say second-best is not good enough, and hold our leaders accountable.

Civil Unions are a step up comparatively – but so was freeing the slaves, and not allowing them to vote or marry.

Sometimes wrong, is just wrong. And I for one will continue to call Barka Obama on it until I hear him say, “I believe in gay marriage.”

I expect more of my President. I expect a President that believes everyone has the same rights – not equivocations thereof.

What are you going to do about it? You just going to bitch about it on the internet or will you take action?

You seem to be against Civil Unions, so are you going to call your congressperson and tell them to vote against it?