Most such babies are surgically altered to make them a male or female, and the parents and doctors do not tell the child about the change.

Some eventually notice their differences, even with the surgery and applicable hormone treatments, often called “special vitamins” by the parents. Most of them are not fertile, unfortunately.

This intersexed group does not include those who are transgendered and are able to have children through the usual means. But that is a separate issue.

So when one has genes that are not exactly XX or XY, but some other combination, just exactly how does a parent or doctor know to put M or F on a birth certificate?

It seems to me that we need to have laws that are inclusive of those who are not purely XX or XY or transgendered. Perhaps the laws should allow one to determine their own situation once they become adults rather than being assigned something by an unknowledgeable parent or doctor, both of which (mostly) never even test for a genetic difference on the baby.

And just why does the establishment have the right to surgically mutilate a baby in the first place? Parents are really uneducated in these situations, and doctors “practice medicine” because they really know very little about the human being, especially a baby’s sexuality which never manifests itself for 12 to 18 or more years.

Just some food for thought and facts to use for the case of “inclusion” of all people in the marriage issues.

For gays, McCain/Palin would mean 4 more years of George W., and the possibility of a Supreme Court packed with at least 2 more right-wing extremists, setting back our struggle for full rights for decades.

Brothers and Sisters of many faiths,

Let us be absolutely clear that in our opposition to Proposition 8 we are asking nothing more than what already exists in the respectful balance between the beliefs and practices of our many faiths and California constitutional law.

Within the many communities of faith in our State we have conflicting doctrines and beliefs that already govern the practice of marriage.

Our Roman Catholic, Mormon and many of our evangelical churches do not and will not marry persons who are divorced. But that does not mean that those who are divorced are constitutionally prohibited from the right of legal marriage in our state.

Likewise, our Roman Catholic, Mormon, and some Jewish and Muslim faith traditions will not marry persons of different faith traditions. But that does not mean that interfaith couples, or those of no particular faith tradition, cannot be married in our state.

Our California constitution honors all religious traditions by respecting our differences about religious marriage while at the same time providing and protecting the right of all couples to marry the person of their choice.

Prop. 8 would ELIMINATE the constitutional right of same sex couples to marry. That is unfair and unjust. California constitutional law already honors and respects religious differences. No religious institution is forced to marry anyone. But that does not mean that any person in our state should lose their constitutional right for legal marriage.

I urge you to protect our constitutional rights as well as our right to religious diversity and pluralism by voting NO on Proposition 8.

Thank you.
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Rev. Daniel E. Smith
Pastor, West Hollywood Presbyterain Church
7350 W. Sunset Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90046

Ph: 323-874-6646
E: dsmith@wehopres.org

Worship Service: Sundays at 11 AM

West Hollywood Presbyterian Church
7350 Sunset Blvd at Martel St
(between LaBrea and Fairfax)
Los Angeles, CA 90046
323/874-6646
http://www.wehopres.org

McCain is opposed to a fe
deral level constitutional amendment
and BUT SUPPORTS PROP 8 AND ALSO AN AMENDMENDJ TO ARIZONA’S CONSTITUTION.
PALIN WANT AN ANTIGAY MARRIAGE BAN IN THE US CONSITUTION.

Obama supports a bunch of gay rights, M=Cain is in favor of practical no gay rights at all.

We have already heard this, that and the next thing about Obama and we’ve heard this, that and the next thing about McCain. Omaam is not perfect and he may tax the living daylights out of us, but under McCain, you’ll likely have no rights at all not one gay right.

You would see there that a few days back the the Yes on 8 lied and distorted Obama words to say that he supported Prop 8. I see it saying on No on Prop 8’s website that no on 8 had to work all night in emergency mode to come up with an ad and get ready for robo-calls to many households saying that OBAMA AND BIDEN HAVE STATED THEY BOTH OPPOSE PROP 8.

I a Marylander flew all the way to San Francisco to help at No on Prop 8’s regional office in that city, as well as donate time and money to No on 8.

There was a young woman from New Mexico who stayed in San Francisco for 2 weeks to help No on Prop 8.

If you live in California, well then there many more GLBTs in your state than in my small state of Maryland population there about 4 and 1/2 million. You have the power of numbers to overwhelm Prop 8 and to defeat at the polls. And the power of numbers to get training from no on Prop 8’s offices in several CA cities to be able to volunteer on election day and to convince voters in your region to VOTE NO ON PROP 8.

Being a Marylander, I can’t vote in California but if you are a Californian you can vote no on 8. That didn’t stop from flying to CA to give my support because what happens in California is crucial to both future marriage rights and existing gay rights in the rest of the USA not yet contaminated by antigay marriage constitutional amendmenta to their own state constitutions.

Mark my words, if Prop 8 passse it will be a very bitter day, for the far radical right everywhere will be a thousand times more emboldened to keep attacking and attacking until no gay rights anyehere in this country are “left stsanding”.