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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping that the Obama would abolish the racist and sexist so-called &quot;faith based&quot; (read “christian”) initiatives. Whatever happened to the Separation of Church and State? It was put in place because, in the beginning, every state (colony) had their own religion. The Separation of Church and State was specifically intended to prevent one religion from overriding another one. Ironically, the religions in question were different sects of christianity. For example, the Catholics from Maryland could not outlaw the Quakers of Pennsylvania. By the way, the some of the earliest anti-gun laws were put on the books because the catholics kept getting out of hand. That’s right, not only was it illegal, at one time, to sell guns to non-whites but it was also against the law, at one time, to sell guns to catholics. 

Anyway, is the Obama going to start making noises that god selected Him to be President like Bush did? Will the Obama be holding court with the pope, too?

These faith-based (read christian)charities have proven themselves to just be a way of funneling taxpayer monies into the already deep pockets of rich religious zealots. These zealots do not spend a dime on legitimate charitable endeavors. Just look at the castles they build (churches and cathedrals) and the thrones they sit on during their television shows begging for money from little old ladies who have to choose between starving to death on a pension check or getting the lifesaving medications they need to live another day. Instead, these zealots should be spending their own money on getting food and care to those people who actually need it - not want it, NEED IT. That is, if they really practiced what they preached. 

Not only are these religious entities misdirecting funds but they are also given outrageous tax breaks. Is this done just so they can interfere with government in general and elections specifically? Let me say it another way, these rip-off programs do NOT alleviate suffering; they cause suffering. They do not think they have done a good job unless there is suffering. 

Funding should be cut off immediately and they should be forced to pay up their back taxes with all the interest and penalties that anyone else would have to pay. If the Obama was as inclusive as he says he is then, on this day of Imbolc, he should have insisted on all today’s government invocations (why they still have them at all, I don’t know) be Pagan based. (By the way, I am tired of hearing about that mangy rodent.) This is a time for clearing out the old baggage and renewing what is best in us. What better place to start such housekeeping than with anything faith-based (read christian).

It is not so much that we live in a theocracy but rather we live in a hypocracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping that the Obama would abolish the racist and sexist so-called &#8220;faith based&#8221; (read “christian”) initiatives. Whatever happened to the Separation of Church and State? It was put in place because, in the beginning, every state (colony) had their own religion. The Separation of Church and State was specifically intended to prevent one religion from overriding another one. Ironically, the religions in question were different sects of christianity. For example, the Catholics from Maryland could not outlaw the Quakers of Pennsylvania. By the way, the some of the earliest anti-gun laws were put on the books because the catholics kept getting out of hand. That’s right, not only was it illegal, at one time, to sell guns to non-whites but it was also against the law, at one time, to sell guns to catholics. </p>
<p>Anyway, is the Obama going to start making noises that god selected Him to be President like Bush did? Will the Obama be holding court with the pope, too?</p>
<p>These faith-based (read christian)charities have proven themselves to just be a way of funneling taxpayer monies into the already deep pockets of rich religious zealots. These zealots do not spend a dime on legitimate charitable endeavors. Just look at the castles they build (churches and cathedrals) and the thrones they sit on during their television shows begging for money from little old ladies who have to choose between starving to death on a pension check or getting the lifesaving medications they need to live another day. Instead, these zealots should be spending their own money on getting food and care to those people who actually need it &#8211; not want it, NEED IT. That is, if they really practiced what they preached. </p>
<p>Not only are these religious entities misdirecting funds but they are also given outrageous tax breaks. Is this done just so they can interfere with government in general and elections specifically? Let me say it another way, these rip-off programs do NOT alleviate suffering; they cause suffering. They do not think they have done a good job unless there is suffering. </p>
<p>Funding should be cut off immediately and they should be forced to pay up their back taxes with all the interest and penalties that anyone else would have to pay. If the Obama was as inclusive as he says he is then, on this day of Imbolc, he should have insisted on all today’s government invocations (why they still have them at all, I don’t know) be Pagan based. (By the way, I am tired of hearing about that mangy rodent.) This is a time for clearing out the old baggage and renewing what is best in us. What better place to start such housekeeping than with anything faith-based (read christian).</p>
<p>It is not so much that we live in a theocracy but rather we live in a hypocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: alexi</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama said &quot;during the campaign&quot; that he wanted to expand White House faith-based efforts begun under former President George W. Bush.

During The Campaign folks! I justt knew he&#039;s a deeply religious man trying hard not to be labelled as one. His mannerism even resembles lots of enthusiastic pastors. sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama said &#8220;during the campaign&#8221; that he wanted to expand White House faith-based efforts begun under former President George W. Bush.</p>
<p>During The Campaign folks! I justt knew he&#8217;s a deeply religious man trying hard not to be labelled as one. His mannerism even resembles lots of enthusiastic pastors. sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money is &quot;fungible&quot;, which means that while the churches can&#039;t use it to oppose gays, it frees up other money for them to continue their crap.

The question is one of balance.  The first order of business is breaking the back of the KKK - Catholic Church - fundamentalist right wing of the republican party.  So that there will never be another &#039;Bush&#039; (pardon my use of that profanity that begins with B and ends with H).

And maybe this gives him more leverage to help gay people.  The jury is still out on this one,  but destruction of the republican - neofacist christian monstrosity is JOB 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is &#8220;fungible&#8221;, which means that while the churches can&#8217;t use it to oppose gays, it frees up other money for them to continue their crap.</p>
<p>The question is one of balance.  The first order of business is breaking the back of the KKK &#8211; Catholic Church &#8211; fundamentalist right wing of the republican party.  So that there will never be another &#8216;Bush&#8217; (pardon my use of that profanity that begins with B and ends with H).</p>
<p>And maybe this gives him more leverage to help gay people.  The jury is still out on this one,  but destruction of the republican &#8211; neofacist christian monstrosity is JOB 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now it is plain, at least to me, why the LGBT community was &#039;snubbed&#039; at the Inauguration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it is plain, at least to me, why the LGBT community was &#8217;snubbed&#8217; at the Inauguration.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg747</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg747</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add my name to the list of the disgusted; mixing religion and politics demeans and cheapens BOTH.

And I am writing to you all as the head of a small non-sectarian, non-prophet charity.
I know first hand of so many of our GLBT family and of People Living with HIV/AIDS who have been shamefully treated by these so-called Christian groups.
Charity should be done in private. 

Have these folks never read their own literature, er, bible?

Last time I checked, Jesus threw out the money-changers as those who defiled the church!

So much for consistency.

I agree with most commentaters: NO tax dollars for religious organisations. Period.

Note to all potential donors to charity: please, please do NOT give anyone your money unless you check them out first.

All charities MUST, not should, offer you the chance to read their annual financial documents; obtain a list of their Board Members; and furnish you proof of their tax-emept status. 
I also offer, when asked, a copy of our annual budget.

It is also very appropriate for you to ask for some sort of effectiveness report, that is, what services do you provide and how many did you provide last year...

In this current political climate, referred to by some as a theocracy, it is incumbent upon US to donate wisely. It is incumbent upon US to take care of our OWN.

I am very sorry to have to write those lines; all persons are worthy of help. But if the Obama-theocrats are taking this country along the Iranian example, (as Bush was doing), then we must circle our own wagons...charity begins at home.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add my name to the list of the disgusted; mixing religion and politics demeans and cheapens BOTH.</p>
<p>And I am writing to you all as the head of a small non-sectarian, non-prophet charity.<br />
I know first hand of so many of our GLBT family and of People Living with HIV/AIDS who have been shamefully treated by these so-called Christian groups.<br />
Charity should be done in private. </p>
<p>Have these folks never read their own literature, er, bible?</p>
<p>Last time I checked, Jesus threw out the money-changers as those who defiled the church!</p>
<p>So much for consistency.</p>
<p>I agree with most commentaters: NO tax dollars for religious organisations. Period.</p>
<p>Note to all potential donors to charity: please, please do NOT give anyone your money unless you check them out first.</p>
<p>All charities MUST, not should, offer you the chance to read their annual financial documents; obtain a list of their Board Members; and furnish you proof of their tax-emept status.<br />
I also offer, when asked, a copy of our annual budget.</p>
<p>It is also very appropriate for you to ask for some sort of effectiveness report, that is, what services do you provide and how many did you provide last year&#8230;</p>
<p>In this current political climate, referred to by some as a theocracy, it is incumbent upon US to donate wisely. It is incumbent upon US to take care of our OWN.</p>
<p>I am very sorry to have to write those lines; all persons are worthy of help. But if the Obama-theocrats are taking this country along the Iranian example, (as Bush was doing), then we must circle our own wagons&#8230;charity begins at home.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/obama-expected-to-name-dubois-to-faith-office/comment-page-2/#comment-41207</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really, really don&#039;t like churches. The money is to FEED, CLOTHE, &amp; GIVE POOR the help they need. Are you people crazy, if your lover was out on the street beggin, or a friend maybe sleeping in a shelter, What would you want then? This money is used to buy groceries, for hungry kids and families(Ma,Pa, &amp; the children). Do you think that we should close our eyes to the desolet, or poor. Obama is doing good things for the poor. I am poor, and have needed things like that in the past. Did I get help from the churches? Yes, and I wasn&#039;t hiding my sexuality. I&#039;m a person, just like everyone of you, who has fallen on bad times in the past. Do you think it is easy, to go to the church telling them you&#039;re hungry? NO, you probably haven&#039;t been in those shoes. Please understand, if the decision was, sleep in a shelter, or stay out in the rain, which would you choose? Just think about how lucky you are that you or someone you&#039;ve loved has never had to depend on services like that. Stop blaming Obama for the water on the floor, &amp; GROW UP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really, really don&#8217;t like churches. The money is to FEED, CLOTHE, &amp; GIVE POOR the help they need. Are you people crazy, if your lover was out on the street beggin, or a friend maybe sleeping in a shelter, What would you want then? This money is used to buy groceries, for hungry kids and families(Ma,Pa, &amp; the children). Do you think that we should close our eyes to the desolet, or poor. Obama is doing good things for the poor. I am poor, and have needed things like that in the past. Did I get help from the churches? Yes, and I wasn&#8217;t hiding my sexuality. I&#8217;m a person, just like everyone of you, who has fallen on bad times in the past. Do you think it is easy, to go to the church telling them you&#8217;re hungry? NO, you probably haven&#8217;t been in those shoes. Please understand, if the decision was, sleep in a shelter, or stay out in the rain, which would you choose? Just think about how lucky you are that you or someone you&#8217;ve loved has never had to depend on services like that. Stop blaming Obama for the water on the floor, &amp; GROW UP!</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/obama-expected-to-name-dubois-to-faith-office/comment-page-2/#comment-41195</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing government funding of faith based initiatives is a government bailout for religion.

Does anyone honestly think 100% of the money the charity recieves from the government goes to the intended recipients and none to the charity? Do you think that $1 of the $1 donation you make to the Salvation Army at Christmas goes to individuals in need? There aren&#039;t armies of volunteers doing charity for nothing; they hire people to support the charity&#039;s operation (Directors, IT, truck drivers, equipment like copy machines and offices, not to mention electricity or other utilities). How much of the money do you think the &quot;charity&quot; spends on &quot;adminstration&quot; costs? I researched online and found Charitywatch.org who says 40% of collected donations spent on administration costs is &quot;reasonable&quot;. That means 40% of your taxpayer dollars that went to that faith based charity goes to.... the faith, not the faithful. I would say that is a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

And who is going to monitor their compliance? Yet another government bureaucracy? Couldn&#039;t that money be better spent on something more beneficial?

I&#039;m getting a little tired of seeing taxpayer dollars -my dollars- being wasted on government funded special interest programs, pork, international support, and car companies that will use it to support their facilities in Mexico and Canada while they close US facilities and put the people who paid those taxes out of work.

The unconstitutional taxpayer support of religion is only the tip of the government budget iceberg... an iceberg shrinking ever smaller due to economic climate change. Obama shouldn&#039;t carry on a special interest W program.... let&#039;s see some change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing government funding of faith based initiatives is a government bailout for religion.</p>
<p>Does anyone honestly think 100% of the money the charity recieves from the government goes to the intended recipients and none to the charity? Do you think that $1 of the $1 donation you make to the Salvation Army at Christmas goes to individuals in need? There aren&#8217;t armies of volunteers doing charity for nothing; they hire people to support the charity&#8217;s operation (Directors, IT, truck drivers, equipment like copy machines and offices, not to mention electricity or other utilities). How much of the money do you think the &#8220;charity&#8221; spends on &#8220;adminstration&#8221; costs? I researched online and found Charitywatch.org who says 40% of collected donations spent on administration costs is &#8220;reasonable&#8221;. That means 40% of your taxpayer dollars that went to that faith based charity goes to&#8230;. the faith, not the faithful. I would say that is a clear violation of the separation of church and state.</p>
<p>And who is going to monitor their compliance? Yet another government bureaucracy? Couldn&#8217;t that money be better spent on something more beneficial?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting a little tired of seeing taxpayer dollars -my dollars- being wasted on government funded special interest programs, pork, international support, and car companies that will use it to support their facilities in Mexico and Canada while they close US facilities and put the people who paid those taxes out of work.</p>
<p>The unconstitutional taxpayer support of religion is only the tip of the government budget iceberg&#8230; an iceberg shrinking ever smaller due to economic climate change. Obama shouldn&#8217;t carry on a special interest W program&#8230;. let&#8217;s see some change.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish Obama would just get off the whole religious/political campaign scam he‘s still running. He has the office now. Yes, I understand that he is trying to “reclaim” God from those who hijacked religion for political exploitation in the first place (I.e. Republicans). Still, isn’t Obama doing the same thing now? 

What is next: an “Office of Witchcraft Welfare” or “Juju Job training” or “Satanic Social Outreach“? The whole concept of a &quot;Faith-based&quot; system smacks of an unholy alliance between organized religion and the federal government.  And that is never a good idea.

~ Bud Evans

http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Obama would just get off the whole religious/political campaign scam he‘s still running. He has the office now. Yes, I understand that he is trying to “reclaim” God from those who hijacked religion for political exploitation in the first place (I.e. Republicans). Still, isn’t Obama doing the same thing now? </p>
<p>What is next: an “Office of Witchcraft Welfare” or “Juju Job training” or “Satanic Social Outreach“? The whole concept of a &#8220;Faith-based&#8221; system smacks of an unholy alliance between organized religion and the federal government.  And that is never a good idea.</p>
<p>~ Bud Evans</p>
<p><a href="http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timmah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one final note:  Separation of Church and state is not written in the constitution... It was Thomas Jefferson who made that distinction in a letter to the &quot;Danbury Baptists&quot; in 1802.  This separation has been discussed and outlined throughout our history before and after this letter if you care to do your research.  The pamphleteer Thomas Paine also wrote about this in &quot;Age of Reason&quot;.  When any religion can influence a state or vice versa there is a threat to freedom of religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one final note:  Separation of Church and state is not written in the constitution&#8230; It was Thomas Jefferson who made that distinction in a letter to the &#8220;Danbury Baptists&#8221; in 1802.  This separation has been discussed and outlined throughout our history before and after this letter if you care to do your research.  The pamphleteer Thomas Paine also wrote about this in &#8220;Age of Reason&#8221;.  When any religion can influence a state or vice versa there is a threat to freedom of religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaky ground my friends
We now have the State telling a Religious institution who it can and cannot hire.  This is the moment the separation of Church and State becomes the most blurred.  The State is now able to tell a religious organization who it can or cannot hire.  It will now be up to the religious organizations to influence the State to change this ruling or it will not be able to provide services.  The State and the Church influencing eachother&#039;s practices.

What must happen is for the State to remove itself from these organizations and let them be privately run.  It may seem sad that more money will not be available for them but this reciprocal relationship cannot be allowed to happen.  Those organizations can procure money from their supporters and this is the only rational and reasonable way it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaky ground my friends<br />
We now have the State telling a Religious institution who it can and cannot hire.  This is the moment the separation of Church and State becomes the most blurred.  The State is now able to tell a religious organization who it can or cannot hire.  It will now be up to the religious organizations to influence the State to change this ruling or it will not be able to provide services.  The State and the Church influencing eachother&#8217;s practices.</p>
<p>What must happen is for the State to remove itself from these organizations and let them be privately run.  It may seem sad that more money will not be available for them but this reciprocal relationship cannot be allowed to happen.  Those organizations can procure money from their supporters and this is the only rational and reasonable way it should be.</p>
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