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	<title>Comments on: NY gov. calls for gay marriage vote</title>
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		<title>By: Lora Woolard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora Woolard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If New York would let gay marriage happen (not civil union) that would be fantastic. Homosexuality has been around for a long time, and the people that oppose this should really look at history. If Gay marriage is passed it would help New York out alot. They could always take a portion of the fee for the license and put it toward the budget crisis this state is facing. As long as they don&#039;t raise the price just because we are GAY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If New York would let gay marriage happen (not civil union) that would be fantastic. Homosexuality has been around for a long time, and the people that oppose this should really look at history. If Gay marriage is passed it would help New York out alot. They could always take a portion of the fee for the license and put it toward the budget crisis this state is facing. As long as they don&#8217;t raise the price just because we are GAY.</p>
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		<title>By: charles avarello</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles avarello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it,s about time ny state other states have agreed don,t be the last 2 do it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it,s about time ny state other states have agreed don,t be the last 2 do it</p>
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		<title>By: warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether a vote is taken or not you can find out who represents you and what their position is on marriage equality here:

nymap.elections.state.ny.us/nysboe/

Once that is done you can lobby for your rights. We don&#039;t need to wait to find out their position and advocate for ourselves. Lets be proactive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether a vote is taken or not you can find out who represents you and what their position is on marriage equality here:</p>
<p>nymap.elections.state.ny.us/nysboe/</p>
<p>Once that is done you can lobby for your rights. We don&#8217;t need to wait to find out their position and advocate for ourselves. Lets be proactive!</p>
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		<title>By: charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make the legislators stand up and be counted.</description>
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		<title>By: Bud Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the sentiment that: &quot;...it may stop our momentum if we force a vote too soon.&quot;

They didn’t have the votes in Vermont to override the Governor’s veto at first, but they tried again anyway -- and they won.  What if they would have just folded their tents and said that it was a lost cause and went home? In that case, Vermont would not be the fourth truly free state in America. 

We are now down to several apartheid states in the US and far too many despotic states where loving same-sex couples are forced into a pernicious classification as being legally estranged from one another -- even when they live under the same roof and have been mutually supportive for decades. 

But the tide is turning in our favor. As more states come on board, eventually the “good faith and credit” clause of the US Constitution will have to be invoked and DOMA (both federally and state adopted) will ultimately be challenged in federal court. And even if Congress repeals the federal DOMA (not likely), state DOMAs will still have to be challenged as well. 

Sadly, all that the anti-marriage-equality state amendments and federal anti-gay legislation (like DOMA and DADT) are accomplishing is just to erode the US Constitution’s once unimpeachable Bill of Rights. They have made it appear as if this universal declaration of  civil liberties is not worth the parchment it was hand written on.  The Constitution was created to protect each and every one of us from the whims of the mob. Birthrights were established that were meant to be inalienable. That is not a reliable promise anymore.

Obviously, the US Constitution has had to be amended to allow the same rights of citizenship to be extended to racial minorities and to women who were intentionally excluded -- but same-sex oriented citizens never were explicitly excluded as the aforementioned groups apparently were. The US Constitution is the only thing of value which the United States offered in the form of a civilizing contribution to human society, and even it is still subject to threats of evisceration then it does not conform to group prejudices and religion-based bigotry -- i.e. the so-called Defense of Marriage Amendment.  

Sure, seeking legislative relief is risky business -- nevertheless, it is still a viable legal option open to us. But to imply that demanding legislative action “may stop our momentum” is like saying if I fall off a horse I’m trying to learn to ride, then it would be better if I just come back in a few weeks or months or years later and then maybe try again after the horse decides to be tamer.  No, you actually lose the “momentum” when you give up trying.  Never give up and never relent for a moment. You&#039;re only defeated when you run out of hope, and the desire to take advantage of each and every opportunity that presents itself.  

Yes, we must start to weed out all of the hypocrites who take our money and our votes. Likewise, we must actively campaign for the genuinely caring politicians who actually have earned our respect and our support. 

I say go ahead with the vote -- come what may. If we lose, then we throw those bums out who lied to us; if we win, then we reward our supporters. It is a simple proposition, because eventually we will win. History is on our side, and people in power are starting to think about their own contribution to this last great civil rights struggle in America.  Will they be on the winning side of history or on the losing side? Believe me, they’re thinking about their legacy too.

Our rights are not (as Obama&#039;s Secretary of Defense, Gates, implied -- no doubt echoing Obama&#039;s own repulsive apathy towards us) something that you can put off indefinitely, or as Gates actually said: &quot;...let&#039;s just kick that can down the road a while.&quot;  

Imagine, our equality is nothing more than just a rusty old tin can that needs to be kicked out of the way whenever possible. Uh huh, &quot;change you can believe in&quot; alright. So for all of you who insisted that we chose between the lesser of two evil, well you got your wish -- more institutionalized evil for the sake of political expediency with loyalty only to its own ambition.

We have been told, even by some of our political “friends”, basically not to look to Washington for solutions to “our problems” anytime soon. So, be sure to remind them not to look to us on election day in 2010 and 2012 either.  There are always third party alternatives. Only ten percent of congress in control of a liberal third party could swing things in our favor as both Democrats and Republicans vie to caucus with that third party for legislative advantage. 

Other than that, it looks like we’re on our own, kids!  

The state by state strategy is starting to look like the best approach so far. So now, more than ever, we must take advantage of the fact that the train has left the station -- so, get on board or stand out of the way. There is no other choice, because sitting on your hands or turning back the clock is not an option anymore.

@ Bud Evans, 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the sentiment that: &#8220;&#8230;it may stop our momentum if we force a vote too soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>They didn’t have the votes in Vermont to override the Governor’s veto at first, but they tried again anyway &#8212; and they won.  What if they would have just folded their tents and said that it was a lost cause and went home? In that case, Vermont would not be the fourth truly free state in America. </p>
<p>We are now down to several apartheid states in the US and far too many despotic states where loving same-sex couples are forced into a pernicious classification as being legally estranged from one another &#8212; even when they live under the same roof and have been mutually supportive for decades. </p>
<p>But the tide is turning in our favor. As more states come on board, eventually the “good faith and credit” clause of the US Constitution will have to be invoked and DOMA (both federally and state adopted) will ultimately be challenged in federal court. And even if Congress repeals the federal DOMA (not likely), state DOMAs will still have to be challenged as well. </p>
<p>Sadly, all that the anti-marriage-equality state amendments and federal anti-gay legislation (like DOMA and DADT) are accomplishing is just to erode the US Constitution’s once unimpeachable Bill of Rights. They have made it appear as if this universal declaration of  civil liberties is not worth the parchment it was hand written on.  The Constitution was created to protect each and every one of us from the whims of the mob. Birthrights were established that were meant to be inalienable. That is not a reliable promise anymore.</p>
<p>Obviously, the US Constitution has had to be amended to allow the same rights of citizenship to be extended to racial minorities and to women who were intentionally excluded &#8212; but same-sex oriented citizens never were explicitly excluded as the aforementioned groups apparently were. The US Constitution is the only thing of value which the United States offered in the form of a civilizing contribution to human society, and even it is still subject to threats of evisceration then it does not conform to group prejudices and religion-based bigotry &#8212; i.e. the so-called Defense of Marriage Amendment.  </p>
<p>Sure, seeking legislative relief is risky business &#8212; nevertheless, it is still a viable legal option open to us. But to imply that demanding legislative action “may stop our momentum” is like saying if I fall off a horse I’m trying to learn to ride, then it would be better if I just come back in a few weeks or months or years later and then maybe try again after the horse decides to be tamer.  No, you actually lose the “momentum” when you give up trying.  Never give up and never relent for a moment. You&#8217;re only defeated when you run out of hope, and the desire to take advantage of each and every opportunity that presents itself.  </p>
<p>Yes, we must start to weed out all of the hypocrites who take our money and our votes. Likewise, we must actively campaign for the genuinely caring politicians who actually have earned our respect and our support. </p>
<p>I say go ahead with the vote &#8212; come what may. If we lose, then we throw those bums out who lied to us; if we win, then we reward our supporters. It is a simple proposition, because eventually we will win. History is on our side, and people in power are starting to think about their own contribution to this last great civil rights struggle in America.  Will they be on the winning side of history or on the losing side? Believe me, they’re thinking about their legacy too.</p>
<p>Our rights are not (as Obama&#8217;s Secretary of Defense, Gates, implied &#8212; no doubt echoing Obama&#8217;s own repulsive apathy towards us) something that you can put off indefinitely, or as Gates actually said: &#8220;&#8230;let&#8217;s just kick that can down the road a while.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Imagine, our equality is nothing more than just a rusty old tin can that needs to be kicked out of the way whenever possible. Uh huh, &#8220;change you can believe in&#8221; alright. So for all of you who insisted that we chose between the lesser of two evil, well you got your wish &#8212; more institutionalized evil for the sake of political expediency with loyalty only to its own ambition.</p>
<p>We have been told, even by some of our political “friends”, basically not to look to Washington for solutions to “our problems” anytime soon. So, be sure to remind them not to look to us on election day in 2010 and 2012 either.  There are always third party alternatives. Only ten percent of congress in control of a liberal third party could swing things in our favor as both Democrats and Republicans vie to caucus with that third party for legislative advantage. </p>
<p>Other than that, it looks like we’re on our own, kids!  </p>
<p>The state by state strategy is starting to look like the best approach so far. So now, more than ever, we must take advantage of the fact that the train has left the station &#8212; so, get on board or stand out of the way. There is no other choice, because sitting on your hands or turning back the clock is not an option anymore.</p>
<p>@ Bud Evans, 2009</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patterson is extremely unpopular and very probably will not be elected to a term in his own right.  With that out of the way, I think he&#039;s right.  See what the outcome is.  Why sit and wait?  What&#039;s to lose?  If it doesn&#039;t pass, it doesn&#039;t pass.  Maybe the real reason NY Dems don&#039;t wanna vote on it is they think that they deserve gay votes without any action to deserve that support.  Better to lose honestly and have it out there, than to get hosed again by Dems who only care about gay stuff when it&#039;s some rich liberal or homo hosting a fundraiser.  Time they did a Missouri--show me.  No vote, they&#039;re just as antigay as the GOP party line, and not like there&#039;s much difference anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patterson is extremely unpopular and very probably will not be elected to a term in his own right.  With that out of the way, I think he&#8217;s right.  See what the outcome is.  Why sit and wait?  What&#8217;s to lose?  If it doesn&#8217;t pass, it doesn&#8217;t pass.  Maybe the real reason NY Dems don&#8217;t wanna vote on it is they think that they deserve gay votes without any action to deserve that support.  Better to lose honestly and have it out there, than to get hosed again by Dems who only care about gay stuff when it&#8217;s some rich liberal or homo hosting a fundraiser.  Time they did a Missouri&#8211;show me.  No vote, they&#8217;re just as antigay as the GOP party line, and not like there&#8217;s much difference anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN ORDER FOR AMEIRCA TO BE THE LAND OF FREEDOM IT MUST RISE NOW AN MEAN WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. FREEDOM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN ORDER FOR AMEIRCA TO BE THE LAND OF FREEDOM IT MUST RISE NOW AN MEAN WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. FREEDOM</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see the Governor is behind this, seeing that Governor Douglas almost really messed things up in Vermont. And I agree that even if you don&#039;t THINK you have the votes, the bill can still be considered. Let&#039;s get people talking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see the Governor is behind this, seeing that Governor Douglas almost really messed things up in Vermont. And I agree that even if you don&#8217;t THINK you have the votes, the bill can still be considered. Let&#8217;s get people talking!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its important to know who does not support marriage equality in NYS so that we can actively campaign against them in coming elections.  Those who uphold discrimination have no place in public office and need to be voted out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its important to know who does not support marriage equality in NYS so that we can actively campaign against them in coming elections.  Those who uphold discrimination have no place in public office and need to be voted out.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dave Hughes...  it may stop our momentum if we force a vote too soon.  

Sometimes you have to play smart, even when the urge to move forward is so strong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dave Hughes&#8230;  it may stop our momentum if we force a vote too soon.  </p>
<p>Sometimes you have to play smart, even when the urge to move forward is so strong&#8230;</p>
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