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	<title>Comments on: New Lutheran body to form after gay pastor vote</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jungblut</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/new-lutheran-body-to-form-after-gay-pastor-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-77672</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jungblut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Facebook User: The ELCA was formed in 1987 from three Lutheran bodies -- the liberal Lutheran Church in America (LCA), American Lutheran Church (ALC) and Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches (AELC), which itself was a moderate offshoot of the conservative Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS).

The LCMS exists today as a separate church body and was never part of the ELCA. LCMS still considers us &quot;homophile sinners&quot; (their words). But the LCMS also believes in the &quot;young earth&quot; theory of creationism and that the Pope is the antichrist, so it&#039;s not like I can take their positions the least bit seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Facebook User: The ELCA was formed in 1987 from three Lutheran bodies &#8212; the liberal Lutheran Church in America (LCA), American Lutheran Church (ALC) and Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches (AELC), which itself was a moderate offshoot of the conservative Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS).</p>
<p>The LCMS exists today as a separate church body and was never part of the ELCA. LCMS still considers us &#8220;homophile sinners&#8221; (their words). But the LCMS also believes in the &#8220;young earth&#8221; theory of creationism and that the Pope is the antichrist, so it&#8217;s not like I can take their positions the least bit seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Nik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a context, a split in a church is quite a significant thing to occur. I am reminded of a quote which I don&#039;t know if we&#039;re at war persay but the divide and conquer quote as well as the together we stand, divided we fall quote apply in my view. 

In a way I respect the bible in that it guides toward morality for the most - but some of it is just ludicrous. The bible DIRECTLY relates women wearing the clothing of men as an equal crime to man laying with another man as with a woman. 

&quot;Abomination&quot; 

Seriously - the bible was written by man, and mankind are flawed therefore the bible is flawed. The only thing wrong with religion is the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a context, a split in a church is quite a significant thing to occur. I am reminded of a quote which I don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;re at war persay but the divide and conquer quote as well as the together we stand, divided we fall quote apply in my view. </p>
<p>In a way I respect the bible in that it guides toward morality for the most &#8211; but some of it is just ludicrous. The bible DIRECTLY relates women wearing the clothing of men as an equal crime to man laying with another man as with a woman. </p>
<p>&#8220;Abomination&#8221; </p>
<p>Seriously &#8211; the bible was written by man, and mankind are flawed therefore the bible is flawed. The only thing wrong with religion is the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Tauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that these clans would sit around and vote on who is worthy of God&#039;s love and who isn&#039;t is totally repugnant.  When I fled the RC church, friends advised me to find a denomination that was accepting. The more I looked at the alternatives, the more bizarre the entire idea of church became to me. I&#039;m glad to be rid of the entire mess. 

Let&#039;s meditate for a moment on what Jesus said about homosexuality: nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that these clans would sit around and vote on who is worthy of God&#8217;s love and who isn&#8217;t is totally repugnant.  When I fled the RC church, friends advised me to find a denomination that was accepting. The more I looked at the alternatives, the more bizarre the entire idea of church became to me. I&#8217;m glad to be rid of the entire mess. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s meditate for a moment on what Jesus said about homosexuality: nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/new-lutheran-body-to-form-after-gay-pastor-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-77494</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Thanks for the comments.  You know, this guy is someone I would say is about as straight as they come.  However, I have come to realize that NOBODY is as straight as they claim.

He has a VERY controlling wife.  I know she has figured prominently in his actions (sad since a grown man should be in control of his own life). His mother was also very controlling.  Is there a pattern here?  I&#039;m no expert either, Robert.  I have very good reason to believe one of his sisters is lesbian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.  You know, this guy is someone I would say is about as straight as they come.  However, I have come to realize that NOBODY is as straight as they claim.</p>
<p>He has a VERY controlling wife.  I know she has figured prominently in his actions (sad since a grown man should be in control of his own life). His mother was also very controlling.  Is there a pattern here?  I&#8217;m no expert either, Robert.  I have very good reason to believe one of his sisters is lesbian.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertinWestbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertinWestbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my mind, when conservatives of any religion that seeks to open up to us threaten to leave, there are only two proper words to respond to them with: 

Good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my mind, when conservatives of any religion that seeks to open up to us threaten to leave, there are only two proper words to respond to them with: </p>
<p>Good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/new-lutheran-body-to-form-after-gay-pastor-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-77473</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“God is love, not hate.”

If by &quot;God&quot; you mean &quot;YHWH&quot;, then only hypothetically. Followers of Abrahamic faiths seem to need person to hate.

As for the ELCA, we&#039;re back to the pre-80&#039;s: LCA (liberal) versus LC Missouri Synod (conservative).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“God is love, not hate.”</p>
<p>If by &#8220;God&#8221; you mean &#8220;YHWH&#8221;, then only hypothetically. Followers of Abrahamic faiths seem to need person to hate.</p>
<p>As for the ELCA, we&#8217;re back to the pre-80&#8242;s: LCA (liberal) versus LC Missouri Synod (conservative).</p>
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		<title>By: RobertinWestbury</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/new-lutheran-body-to-form-after-gay-pastor-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-77459</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertinWestbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Ian, 

No expert here, but I suspect your former best friend may be a closet case (even if just a closet case bisexual), and his private thoughts are so out of whack with his religious views he can&#039;t reconcile it.  And when this issue came up, taking a stand by leaving was one way to deflect any suspicion others may have of him not being so totally straight.  

And he may fear this is hereditary and so his sons may also feel this way.  In that event, he wouldn&#039;t want them to accept it as okay in God&#039;s eyes, so he didn&#039;t want to expose them to the truth so that they wouldn&#039;t see a positive example of what he fears.. 

Just a possibility.  

Thank God you have another best friend..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Ian, </p>
<p>No expert here, but I suspect your former best friend may be a closet case (even if just a closet case bisexual), and his private thoughts are so out of whack with his religious views he can&#8217;t reconcile it.  And when this issue came up, taking a stand by leaving was one way to deflect any suspicion others may have of him not being so totally straight.  </p>
<p>And he may fear this is hereditary and so his sons may also feel this way.  In that event, he wouldn&#8217;t want them to accept it as okay in God&#8217;s eyes, so he didn&#8217;t want to expose them to the truth so that they wouldn&#8217;t see a positive example of what he fears.. </p>
<p>Just a possibility.  </p>
<p>Thank God you have another best friend..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/new-lutheran-body-to-form-after-gay-pastor-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-77443</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>secrity: Unfortunately, Christians are RUINING Christ&#039;s reputation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>secrity: Unfortunately, Christians are RUINING Christ&#8217;s reputation!</p>
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		<title>By: secrity</title>
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		<dc:creator>secrity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God is love, not hate.&quot;

Really?  In my experience, most Christians and Muslins are full of hate toward gays and the same sex people we love.  It is Christian hate that makes me have to say &quot;same sex people we love&quot; rather than &quot;our husbands and wives&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God is love, not hate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  In my experience, most Christians and Muslins are full of hate toward gays and the same sex people we love.  It is Christian hate that makes me have to say &#8220;same sex people we love&#8221; rather than &#8220;our husbands and wives&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: KaninZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaninZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, get all the haters together in one political Party and one Church per denomination, then we&#039;ll know who to boycott :)
  Gotta love it when the enemy does your intel work for ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, get all the haters together in one political Party and one Church per denomination, then we&#8217;ll know who to boycott <img src='http://www.365gay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
  Gotta love it when the enemy does your intel work for ya!</p>
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