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	<title>Comments on: Maine&#8217;s marriage debate turns deeply religious</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Zanello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Zanello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South Africa soon celebrates the 13 year anniversary of its’ Constitution that ended generations of legalized citizen inequality known as apartheid.  The constitution was first adopted on May 8, 1996 and passed into law on December 10, 1996.  It was not just a new set of laws or amendments, but a brand new start-from-scratch constitution.  Quoting its’ Bill of Rights, Chapter 2, Section 9, paragraph 3. 
(3) The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth.  
One result;  same-sex marriage became legal in South Africa on November 30, 2006.  
In America states are still allowed to vote apartheid.  Don&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Africa soon celebrates the 13 year anniversary of its’ Constitution that ended generations of legalized citizen inequality known as apartheid.  The constitution was first adopted on May 8, 1996 and passed into law on December 10, 1996.  It was not just a new set of laws or amendments, but a brand new start-from-scratch constitution.  Quoting its’ Bill of Rights, Chapter 2, Section 9, paragraph 3.<br />
(3) The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth.<br />
One result;  same-sex marriage became legal in South Africa on November 30, 2006.<br />
In America states are still allowed to vote apartheid.  Don&#8217;t do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus also was a teacher of tolerance and acceptance. His followers were persecuted for a very, very long time. And the religion of the persecuted has now become the religion of the persecutors. Irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus also was a teacher of tolerance and acceptance. His followers were persecuted for a very, very long time. And the religion of the persecuted has now become the religion of the persecutors. Irony.</p>
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		<title>By: denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a man wanting to marry a man is totally sick, It is totally disgusting and they will all live to regret stretching out each others anus. I am begging you all to stop this sickness before you all end up ruining your lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a man wanting to marry a man is totally sick, It is totally disgusting and they will all live to regret stretching out each others anus. I am begging you all to stop this sickness before you all end up ruining your lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Budbud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Budbud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the legislature hearing testimony from religious leaders, left or right?  

Why do religious leaders think they should have ANY influence in politics?  When they want &quot;BINGO&quot; in states that don&#039;t allow gambling, or when they want to continue NOT PAYING taxes, they sure know how to scream SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!  

Yet they want their various dogmas to be considered by the government, as it pertains to restricting other peoples rights on everything under the sun?

There are places in this world where these churches would be reprimanded for interfering with matters of the state!  

After we win marriage rights, ALL progressives should come together to press for FULL TAXATION of religious groups who get involved in politics on ANY issue. 

I can give money to a church and take it off of my taxes, as they are a non-profit.  I CAN&#039;T however take donations to the HRC or LAMBDA off of my taxes because even though they are a non-profit, they are involved in politics!

When a church or some phony &quot;arm of the the church&quot; get&#039;s involved in politics, they should face the same fate!  You cannot tell me that opposing ssm, abortion and stem cell research is a &quot;primary&quot; mission of ANY faith, as the dogma they ALL adhere to was written LONG before such terms and concepts were even invented!  

I say liberal non-profit groups with no tax exempt status should start suits pointing to the tax exemptions afforded to &quot;religious&quot; groups who are JUST AS politically active.  

ALL organized religions value money over beliefs.  The FIRST ruling that declares a sect, a church, even a single parish liable for taxes, due to political involvement, and 99% of churches will FINALLY keep to themselves and keep the contents of their little freak shows within the confines of their own little theaters and willing audience members.

I&#039;m so sick of people who think their thoughts/ideas are automatically worthy of respect and deference simply because said ideas stem from some faith group THEY CHOOSE to belong to!  

How absurd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the legislature hearing testimony from religious leaders, left or right?  </p>
<p>Why do religious leaders think they should have ANY influence in politics?  When they want &#8220;BINGO&#8221; in states that don&#8217;t allow gambling, or when they want to continue NOT PAYING taxes, they sure know how to scream SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!  </p>
<p>Yet they want their various dogmas to be considered by the government, as it pertains to restricting other peoples rights on everything under the sun?</p>
<p>There are places in this world where these churches would be reprimanded for interfering with matters of the state!  </p>
<p>After we win marriage rights, ALL progressives should come together to press for FULL TAXATION of religious groups who get involved in politics on ANY issue. </p>
<p>I can give money to a church and take it off of my taxes, as they are a non-profit.  I CAN&#8217;T however take donations to the HRC or LAMBDA off of my taxes because even though they are a non-profit, they are involved in politics!</p>
<p>When a church or some phony &#8220;arm of the the church&#8221; get&#8217;s involved in politics, they should face the same fate!  You cannot tell me that opposing ssm, abortion and stem cell research is a &#8220;primary&#8221; mission of ANY faith, as the dogma they ALL adhere to was written LONG before such terms and concepts were even invented!  </p>
<p>I say liberal non-profit groups with no tax exempt status should start suits pointing to the tax exemptions afforded to &#8220;religious&#8221; groups who are JUST AS politically active.  </p>
<p>ALL organized religions value money over beliefs.  The FIRST ruling that declares a sect, a church, even a single parish liable for taxes, due to political involvement, and 99% of churches will FINALLY keep to themselves and keep the contents of their little freak shows within the confines of their own little theaters and willing audience members.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sick of people who think their thoughts/ideas are automatically worthy of respect and deference simply because said ideas stem from some faith group THEY CHOOSE to belong to!  </p>
<p>How absurd?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shouldn&#039;t try to fight with them on the religious argument. This isn&#039;t about religion and it just distracts from the real issue - equal rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shouldn&#8217;t try to fight with them on the religious argument. This isn&#8217;t about religion and it just distracts from the real issue &#8211; equal rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Elissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t understand this. Why is the religious front making a big deal about marriage equality? Marriage has been around long before the church was even created, they simply adopted it. So why should they have any say in what marriage actually is? Marriage is a union between two people that is recognized by the government. I truly don&#039;t see where the church comes into play here unless the government is going to start admitting that they ignored the whole &#039;seperation of chruch and state&#039; thing.

And besides we&#039;re not asking for the church to preform any same-sex marriages. They can keep their homophobic views for all I care and keep promoting hatred. I have never wanted to be married in a church, even before I realized my sexuality. We&#039;re simply asking for marriage recognized by the STATE, right?

I think the religious leaders of the world need to go crawl back under the rock they came out of and stay their for the rest of their lives. The less society is corrupted by religion the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t understand this. Why is the religious front making a big deal about marriage equality? Marriage has been around long before the church was even created, they simply adopted it. So why should they have any say in what marriage actually is? Marriage is a union between two people that is recognized by the government. I truly don&#8217;t see where the church comes into play here unless the government is going to start admitting that they ignored the whole &#8216;seperation of chruch and state&#8217; thing.</p>
<p>And besides we&#8217;re not asking for the church to preform any same-sex marriages. They can keep their homophobic views for all I care and keep promoting hatred. I have never wanted to be married in a church, even before I realized my sexuality. We&#8217;re simply asking for marriage recognized by the STATE, right?</p>
<p>I think the religious leaders of the world need to go crawl back under the rock they came out of and stay their for the rest of their lives. The less society is corrupted by religion the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were many clergy on the side of gay marriage rights right there with the marriage equality protesters time and time again at every marriage equality rally outside of the Masschusetts statehouse in Boston. I attended many of those rallies myself in Boston and saw them all around me. 

They were also standing on the side of marriage equality in Maine and speaking out for marriage equality as it says here. 

Yes, there are many theofascists, but on the other hand, there are also many truly good and decent people of faith speaking again and again for equality for all in this land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were many clergy on the side of gay marriage rights right there with the marriage equality protesters time and time again at every marriage equality rally outside of the Masschusetts statehouse in Boston. I attended many of those rallies myself in Boston and saw them all around me. </p>
<p>They were also standing on the side of marriage equality in Maine and speaking out for marriage equality as it says here. </p>
<p>Yes, there are many theofascists, but on the other hand, there are also many truly good and decent people of faith speaking again and again for equality for all in this land.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Madden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious conservatives are correct when they say religious rights and freedom of religion must be protected.  This is precisely why legal recognition of marriage equality for same-sex couples MUST become the law.  Many religious groups, including Christian churches support either marrying same-sex couples or blessing same-sex marriages that have already taken place.

If the religious right succeeds at denying marriage equality to same-sex couples, then they will also have succeeded at denying freedom of religion to churches who disagree with their narrow interpretations of the Bible.  The religious right does not have a right to decide what is true Christian belief.

LGBT activists must press the point that we do not believe in restricting religious freedom.  We want to protect and enhance religious freedom throughout America and around the world.  Supporting the right of same-sex couples to marry, while protecting the right of churches and religious groups to marry or not marry same-sex couples in accord with their teachings is one way we will enhance religious freedom.

As for the religious right, I have some advice:  Stop defying Exodus 20:16, which reads, &quot;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.&quot;  This is one of the ten commandments and does not permit an exception for lying against your LGBT neighbours, nor does it permit you to lie by saying that permitting same-sex couples the right to marry will undermine or destroy freedom of religion.  

The comments by the religious right only raises fear and hate against the LGBT community, while driving large numbers of people away from God.  Shame on them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious conservatives are correct when they say religious rights and freedom of religion must be protected.  This is precisely why legal recognition of marriage equality for same-sex couples MUST become the law.  Many religious groups, including Christian churches support either marrying same-sex couples or blessing same-sex marriages that have already taken place.</p>
<p>If the religious right succeeds at denying marriage equality to same-sex couples, then they will also have succeeded at denying freedom of religion to churches who disagree with their narrow interpretations of the Bible.  The religious right does not have a right to decide what is true Christian belief.</p>
<p>LGBT activists must press the point that we do not believe in restricting religious freedom.  We want to protect and enhance religious freedom throughout America and around the world.  Supporting the right of same-sex couples to marry, while protecting the right of churches and religious groups to marry or not marry same-sex couples in accord with their teachings is one way we will enhance religious freedom.</p>
<p>As for the religious right, I have some advice:  Stop defying Exodus 20:16, which reads, &#8220;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.&#8221;  This is one of the ten commandments and does not permit an exception for lying against your LGBT neighbours, nor does it permit you to lie by saying that permitting same-sex couples the right to marry will undermine or destroy freedom of religion.  </p>
<p>The comments by the religious right only raises fear and hate against the LGBT community, while driving large numbers of people away from God.  Shame on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly believe this bill should be passed. I don&#039;t see how religion has anything to do with it. In my eyes, love sees no gender. There&#039;s no reason why ANYBODY should hate and discriminate when all we want is love. Just like you do. Whether you&#039;re heterosexual or homosexual or any other type of sexual. If you love someone that&#039;s it there&#039;s no changing that. I don&#039;t see why anyone would try and stop it. Love is the most beautiful thing and the only piece of heaven we get on earth. So, I ask you governor and legislators of Maine, why would you take away our heaven because of your religion? If God didn&#039;t want us to be the way we are he wouldn&#039;t have made us that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly believe this bill should be passed. I don&#8217;t see how religion has anything to do with it. In my eyes, love sees no gender. There&#8217;s no reason why ANYBODY should hate and discriminate when all we want is love. Just like you do. Whether you&#8217;re heterosexual or homosexual or any other type of sexual. If you love someone that&#8217;s it there&#8217;s no changing that. I don&#8217;t see why anyone would try and stop it. Love is the most beautiful thing and the only piece of heaven we get on earth. So, I ask you governor and legislators of Maine, why would you take away our heaven because of your religion? If God didn&#8217;t want us to be the way we are he wouldn&#8217;t have made us that way.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>george. Well said! There is a specific section of roman catholic cannon law (similar to the US code, the nuts and bolts or rules and procedures etc) that allows, exonerates, forgives and one could say, encourages lying to protect Holy Mother the Church. A blanket get out of jail free card! But then what can you expect from an unindicted co conspiritor in a worldwide criminal racketeering enterprise, going back hundreds of years, that fosters, protects and facilitates the sexual abuse of prepubescent boys? That Corporation(Country?) has as much moral credibility as Bernie Madeoff!Granted a broken clock gets the time right twice in 24 hours, but that doesn&#039;t mean that it is reliable or trustworthy!BTW I&#039;m speaking of the corporation here(the old theocrats in red dresses) not the stockholders. They have to decide if the Corporation is worth trying to fix or dump their stock and find their god on their own or in another Corporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>george. Well said! There is a specific section of roman catholic cannon law (similar to the US code, the nuts and bolts or rules and procedures etc) that allows, exonerates, forgives and one could say, encourages lying to protect Holy Mother the Church. A blanket get out of jail free card! But then what can you expect from an unindicted co conspiritor in a worldwide criminal racketeering enterprise, going back hundreds of years, that fosters, protects and facilitates the sexual abuse of prepubescent boys? That Corporation(Country?) has as much moral credibility as Bernie Madeoff!Granted a broken clock gets the time right twice in 24 hours, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that it is reliable or trustworthy!BTW I&#8217;m speaking of the corporation here(the old theocrats in red dresses) not the stockholders. They have to decide if the Corporation is worth trying to fix or dump their stock and find their god on their own or in another Corporation.</p>
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