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		<title>By: MavsFan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-4/#comment-76215</link>
		<dc:creator>MavsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is Good says: &quot;A woman is a man with a womb, they go together.
A female is a male who can carry a fetus,they go together.&quot;

Are you effing serious? Is that what your bible teaches you? I suggest picking up your nearest biology book, and QUICK!

Even if I bought into the idea that gender was solely defined on the ability or inability to carry a baby, there are millions of people, due to a multitude of medical conditions who are incapable of carrying a child or impregnating a someone else to do so.

So, based on your logic, a woman who has undergone a hysterectomy should not be able to marry because she no longer &quot;goes together with a man&quot;. 

Please don&#039;t allow your personal bigotry to cloud your common sense. And also, do not allow your personal bigotry to dictate MY life. I will afford you your right to marry under the law. Afford me the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is Good says: &#8220;A woman is a man with a womb, they go together.<br />
A female is a male who can carry a fetus,they go together.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you effing serious? Is that what your bible teaches you? I suggest picking up your nearest biology book, and QUICK!</p>
<p>Even if I bought into the idea that gender was solely defined on the ability or inability to carry a baby, there are millions of people, due to a multitude of medical conditions who are incapable of carrying a child or impregnating a someone else to do so.</p>
<p>So, based on your logic, a woman who has undergone a hysterectomy should not be able to marry because she no longer &#8220;goes together with a man&#8221;. </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t allow your personal bigotry to cloud your common sense. And also, do not allow your personal bigotry to dictate MY life. I will afford you your right to marry under the law. Afford me the same.</p>
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		<title>By: God is Good</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-4/#comment-76210</link>
		<dc:creator>God is Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffery barea you chose to be who you are and chose to act on it, like the drug addict who loves his crack pipe. Your crack, is a feces infested recepticle and you like that. plEEEEZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffery barea you chose to be who you are and chose to act on it, like the drug addict who loves his crack pipe. Your crack, is a feces infested recepticle and you like that. plEEEEZ.</p>
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		<title>By: God is Good</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-4/#comment-76209</link>
		<dc:creator>God is Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>31 popular votes for NORMAL MARRIAGE and 0 for Gay marriage.

You are as stubborn as a pedophile, you both think that your beahvior is normal.

Look up normal, 2 percent is any but normal.

Look up &quot;aberration&quot; and &quot;deviate&quot;. They mean that your parents created an environment through nurturing that caused your infection.

A woman is a man with a womb, they go together.

A female is a male who can carry a fetus,they go together.

An APA doctor is a homosexual and/or pedophile who is trying to justify their sexual debauchery, they don&#039;t go together.

The age division is simply part of the gay agenda to infiltrate our schools and teach their polluted version of religion. With over 50 lawsuits against gay teachings, without parental consent, that is about to die an AIDS like death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>31 popular votes for NORMAL MARRIAGE and 0 for Gay marriage.</p>
<p>You are as stubborn as a pedophile, you both think that your beahvior is normal.</p>
<p>Look up normal, 2 percent is any but normal.</p>
<p>Look up &#8220;aberration&#8221; and &#8220;deviate&#8221;. They mean that your parents created an environment through nurturing that caused your infection.</p>
<p>A woman is a man with a womb, they go together.</p>
<p>A female is a male who can carry a fetus,they go together.</p>
<p>An APA doctor is a homosexual and/or pedophile who is trying to justify their sexual debauchery, they don&#8217;t go together.</p>
<p>The age division is simply part of the gay agenda to infiltrate our schools and teach their polluted version of religion. With over 50 lawsuits against gay teachings, without parental consent, that is about to die an AIDS like death.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1787619394">Jeffrey Barea</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-4/#comment-75958</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1787619394">Jeffrey Barea</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Problem with attacking them back is that we have to attack the religion of many people that would side would us to defeat the God and morality arguments.&quot;

Gee whiz, guess I should have never started that fight with the Scientologists in January 08.

Cowboy up already everyone. We got some work to do that doesn&#039;t include raising money by outting people no one cares about. Right Mikey Rogers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Problem with attacking them back is that we have to attack the religion of many people that would side would us to defeat the God and morality arguments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee whiz, guess I should have never started that fight with the Scientologists in January 08.</p>
<p>Cowboy up already everyone. We got some work to do that doesn&#8217;t include raising money by outting people no one cares about. Right Mikey Rogers?</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1521406118">Patrick Garies</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-4/#comment-75957</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1521406118">Patrick Garies</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ljrhodes: Problem with attacking them back is that we have to attack the religion of many people that would side would us to defeat the God and morality arguments. That sort of ties one&#039;s hands since the majority consists of Christians.

They argue about &quot;traditional&quot; marriage and that can be refuted by showing how marriage has changed over time, but you&#039;re not going to have much time educating people via a 30 second commercial.

There&#039;s the &quot;children *could* be taught about gays&quot; argument that we keep denying even though it&#039;s true (and I see no reason why children shouldn&#039;t be taught about *facts* anyway). That hurts credibility.

I don&#039;t think people fully understand what marriage offers either; you have to describe each of these little benefits and put them in terms like &quot;lack of this harms children&quot;. If they&#039;re going to play the &quot;save the children&quot; card, we may as well do it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ljrhodes: Problem with attacking them back is that we have to attack the religion of many people that would side would us to defeat the God and morality arguments. That sort of ties one&#8217;s hands since the majority consists of Christians.</p>
<p>They argue about &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage and that can be refuted by showing how marriage has changed over time, but you&#8217;re not going to have much time educating people via a 30 second commercial.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the &#8220;children *could* be taught about gays&#8221; argument that we keep denying even though it&#8217;s true (and I see no reason why children shouldn&#8217;t be taught about *facts* anyway). That hurts credibility.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think people fully understand what marriage offers either; you have to describe each of these little benefits and put them in terms like &#8220;lack of this harms children&#8221;. If they&#8217;re going to play the &#8220;save the children&#8221; card, we may as well do it too.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1787619394">Jeffrey Barea</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-4/#comment-75955</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1787619394">Jeffrey Barea</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me make this clear.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Gay marriage will be in all states and recognized by the national government.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
I will accept nothing less.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Sure, we can accept that the bottom boys will whine through this fight.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
I never expected the lesbians to act like defeatists.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
I never asked to be who I am
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
I also never asked for people to accept who I am. They did because I demanded they did.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Enough with the &quot;ZOMG we LOST so we must RUN to the hills and HIDE and cry&quot; bullshit.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
When I hosted the Gay &amp; Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation Dallas Meeting it was because they were fighters. Not whiners or quitters. Suck it up. And get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me make this clear.</p>
<p>Gay marriage will be in all states and recognized by the national government.</p>
<p>I will accept nothing less.</p>
<p>Sure, we can accept that the bottom boys will whine through this fight.</p>
<p>I never expected the lesbians to act like defeatists.</p>
<p>I never asked to be who I am</p>
<p>I also never asked for people to accept who I am. They did because I demanded they did.</p>
<p>Enough with the &#8220;ZOMG we LOST so we must RUN to the hills and HIDE and cry&#8221; bullshit.</p>
<p>When I hosted the Gay &amp; Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation Dallas Meeting it was because they were fighters. Not whiners or quitters. Suck it up. And get to work.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMaineReason</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an avid, activist, financial contributor to the same-sex marriage cause. Maine has changed my mind. Idealistically, it might be the right cause. And same-sex marriage will eventually be the law of the land. But state-by-state is the wrong strategy at the wrong time. (1) We&#039;re psychologically battering our community. Thirty-one (!) gay marriage ballot measures have gone against us. Forget about Arizona - there are same-sex couples in relatively progressive states who were set up to get their hopes up, only to have it all yanked away from them. In some cases, even previously-enacted domestic partnership laws were left in question by marriage ballot beheadings. We must stop setting people up to be devastated! (2) We spend hundreds of millions of dollars to defend marriage rights passed in court or legislature in progressive states, while same-sex couples in Alabama, Mississippi, or Idaho, have absolutely no protections for their relationships. That money could be better spent procuring domestic partnership rights for people in more conservative areas. Polling shows that most Americans, even in conservative places, support domestic partnership protections. (3) In places where there are no protections for same-sex relationships, the poor, women, and people of color are disproportionately affected. Rich and middle-class gays can afford the lawyers to craft the legally-sound wills and directives that ensure that one partner will make medical decisions for the other, or that either will have inheritance rights, or that their joint raising of a child will not be invalidated in courts. I know, because I hired a lawyer and did a will protecting my partner and me; and I recently left a southern state where not doing so would have been begging for trouble.  Low-income gays can&#039;t do this. So a same-sex couple in Selma, North Carolina, who have no DP protections and no money, is left to the dogs. To the extent that a greater percentage of lesbian couples, or same-sex households of color, are lower-income than their white gay male counterparts, having no rights at all is far more damaging to them. This isn&#039;t to say that denial of marriage isn&#039;t damaging to everyone, even to middle-class or rich gays, but it does say that not having even domestic partnership rights is absolutely devastating to same-sex couples. California and Maine both had domestic partnership protections before their marriage initiatives. Same-sex couples in many areas of Utah or Louisiana have nothing. (4) It has become clear that a far more likely scenario than winning gay marriage state-by-state, is winning domestic partnerships on a federal, national level. The Obama administration, as well as the Congress and Senate, are poised to do it. For me (and my conscience, and my money) giving same-sex couples in Tennessee even basic legal recognition of their relationships  is far more valuable than upgrading a couple&#039;s status in Maine from domestic partnership to marriage. (5) Getting national domestic partnership rights for couples might increase the numbers of straights who &quot;get it&quot; that gay couples deserve equal rights. (6) Putting gay marriage on a state ballot makes our gay brothers and sisters in that state wonder who voted against them. Was it family? Neighbors? Friends? This isn&#039;t bringing people together. This is causing suspicion, bitterness, and hurt. Bringing people together is probably the only way we&#039;re going to eventually convince straights that we deserve equality under the law. Telling our personal stories works much better than forcing people to make choices along philosophical lines. (7) Continuing the same-sex marriage &quot;smack-down&quot; is just emboldening our bigoted foes who will now think they can use their inhumane, despicable tactics in the remaining 19 states in the union. (8) It took some 160 years between the first state striking down interracial marriage bans, to the Virginia v. Loving 1967 Supreme court decision striking down all such bans. Gay marriage is inevitable. But there has to be a more intelligent strategy than battering people psychologically in progressive states while denying people much needed resources and protection in conservative states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an avid, activist, financial contributor to the same-sex marriage cause. Maine has changed my mind. Idealistically, it might be the right cause. And same-sex marriage will eventually be the law of the land. But state-by-state is the wrong strategy at the wrong time. (1) We&#8217;re psychologically battering our community. Thirty-one (!) gay marriage ballot measures have gone against us. Forget about Arizona &#8211; there are same-sex couples in relatively progressive states who were set up to get their hopes up, only to have it all yanked away from them. In some cases, even previously-enacted domestic partnership laws were left in question by marriage ballot beheadings. We must stop setting people up to be devastated! (2) We spend hundreds of millions of dollars to defend marriage rights passed in court or legislature in progressive states, while same-sex couples in Alabama, Mississippi, or Idaho, have absolutely no protections for their relationships. That money could be better spent procuring domestic partnership rights for people in more conservative areas. Polling shows that most Americans, even in conservative places, support domestic partnership protections. (3) In places where there are no protections for same-sex relationships, the poor, women, and people of color are disproportionately affected. Rich and middle-class gays can afford the lawyers to craft the legally-sound wills and directives that ensure that one partner will make medical decisions for the other, or that either will have inheritance rights, or that their joint raising of a child will not be invalidated in courts. I know, because I hired a lawyer and did a will protecting my partner and me; and I recently left a southern state where not doing so would have been begging for trouble.  Low-income gays can&#8217;t do this. So a same-sex couple in Selma, North Carolina, who have no DP protections and no money, is left to the dogs. To the extent that a greater percentage of lesbian couples, or same-sex households of color, are lower-income than their white gay male counterparts, having no rights at all is far more damaging to them. This isn&#8217;t to say that denial of marriage isn&#8217;t damaging to everyone, even to middle-class or rich gays, but it does say that not having even domestic partnership rights is absolutely devastating to same-sex couples. California and Maine both had domestic partnership protections before their marriage initiatives. Same-sex couples in many areas of Utah or Louisiana have nothing. (4) It has become clear that a far more likely scenario than winning gay marriage state-by-state, is winning domestic partnerships on a federal, national level. The Obama administration, as well as the Congress and Senate, are poised to do it. For me (and my conscience, and my money) giving same-sex couples in Tennessee even basic legal recognition of their relationships  is far more valuable than upgrading a couple&#8217;s status in Maine from domestic partnership to marriage. (5) Getting national domestic partnership rights for couples might increase the numbers of straights who &#8220;get it&#8221; that gay couples deserve equal rights. (6) Putting gay marriage on a state ballot makes our gay brothers and sisters in that state wonder who voted against them. Was it family? Neighbors? Friends? This isn&#8217;t bringing people together. This is causing suspicion, bitterness, and hurt. Bringing people together is probably the only way we&#8217;re going to eventually convince straights that we deserve equality under the law. Telling our personal stories works much better than forcing people to make choices along philosophical lines. (7) Continuing the same-sex marriage &#8220;smack-down&#8221; is just emboldening our bigoted foes who will now think they can use their inhumane, despicable tactics in the remaining 19 states in the union. (8) It took some 160 years between the first state striking down interracial marriage bans, to the Virginia v. Loving 1967 Supreme court decision striking down all such bans. Gay marriage is inevitable. But there has to be a more intelligent strategy than battering people psychologically in progressive states while denying people much needed resources and protection in conservative states.</p>
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		<title>By: djohn10337</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess  i will be canceling my ogunquit vacation and will not visit or spend cash in main.. lets hit them where it hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess  i will be canceling my ogunquit vacation and will not visit or spend cash in main.. lets hit them where it hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: fifth</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/maine-rejects-gay-marriage-law/comment-page-3/#comment-75936</link>
		<dc:creator>fifth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first question is: will this gay marriage movement fizzle out in much the same way as that of the Equal Rights Amendment?  

My second question is: why aren&#039;t more feminists fighting this fight?  Pro-&quot;Traditional Marriage&quot; advocates are garnering a substantial amount of support because they&#039;re exploiting the tendency toward immediacy in reflecting upon human history (even the most blatently inaccurate historical claims can &quot;fly&quot; as facts when they&#039;re framed in traditionalism).  

Most heteros can&#039;t even fathom a time when marriages were arranged, unmarried daughters were financial burdens, and wives were property without rights of citizenship.  So, &quot;Traditional marriage&quot; has become an idealized concept, sweetly packaged in false romanticism to serve a political agenda.  So, my third question is: why are we allowing our rights to be denied based on a false ideal and historical inaccuracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first question is: will this gay marriage movement fizzle out in much the same way as that of the Equal Rights Amendment?  </p>
<p>My second question is: why aren&#8217;t more feminists fighting this fight?  Pro-&#8221;Traditional Marriage&#8221; advocates are garnering a substantial amount of support because they&#8217;re exploiting the tendency toward immediacy in reflecting upon human history (even the most blatently inaccurate historical claims can &#8220;fly&#8221; as facts when they&#8217;re framed in traditionalism).  </p>
<p>Most heteros can&#8217;t even fathom a time when marriages were arranged, unmarried daughters were financial burdens, and wives were property without rights of citizenship.  So, &#8220;Traditional marriage&#8221; has become an idealized concept, sweetly packaged in false romanticism to serve a political agenda.  So, my third question is: why are we allowing our rights to be denied based on a false ideal and historical inaccuracy?</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1787619394">Jeffrey Barea</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1787619394">Jeffrey Barea</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was never doomed to failure.
&lt;br&gt;
This is the failure of President Obama and his democratic majorities in Congress.
&lt;br&gt;
Had he stood up as the fierce advocate he claimed to be and gotten rid of DOMA &amp; DADT this would have been a very different situation.
&lt;br&gt;
Take a lesson from the NY(23). Sending a message is sometimes more important than winning.  You do not have to blindly &quot;take it&quot; from the Democratic Party.
&lt;br&gt;
They need you more than you need them, obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was never doomed to failure.<br />
<br />
This is the failure of President Obama and his democratic majorities in Congress.<br />
<br />
Had he stood up as the fierce advocate he claimed to be and gotten rid of DOMA &amp; DADT this would have been a very different situation.<br />
<br />
Take a lesson from the NY(23). Sending a message is sometimes more important than winning.  You do not have to blindly &#8220;take it&#8221; from the Democratic Party.<br />
<br />
They need you more than you need them, obviously.</p>
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