Comments on: Lutheran council thwarts move to toughen gay clergy vote http://www.365gay.com/news/lutheran-council-thwarts-move-to-toughen-gay-clergy-vote/ The daily news source for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:11:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Wayne http://www.365gay.com/news/lutheran-council-thwarts-move-to-toughen-gay-clergy-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-49940 Wayne Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:29:48 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=6348#comment-49940 This action by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is proof that there are many Christians who do not follow the extreme lines taken by homophobic bigots here or around the world. LGBT people can be Christian and Christian ranks include LGBT people. This action by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is proof that there are many Christians who do not follow the extreme lines taken by homophobic bigots here or around the world. LGBT people can be Christian and Christian ranks include LGBT people.

]]> By: Brad http://www.365gay.com/news/lutheran-council-thwarts-move-to-toughen-gay-clergy-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-49867 Brad Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:39:54 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=6348#comment-49867 It might be nice to see that not all religious groups are totally anti-gay and hateful. Some are quite accepting (United Church of Christ, Lutherans, Unitarian Universalism, Reformed Jews, and others). However, I personally feel that there are two sides of the coin of religious freedom. Freedom OF religion, and the Freedom FROM religion. Thomas Jefferson's wall of separation between churches and the state works best when governments interfere with public life (especially the government and laws) and the government does not tell religious groups what to do. Religious groups should marry whomever the wish and not marry whomever they do not. However, legal marriage as determined by the law must be open to everyone equally on a non-discriminatory bases. For example, let the Catholics, Mormons, etc. refuse to marry divorced people, same sex couples, their own clergy and whomever else they don't want to. But, also insist that the government allow marriage and divorce for all on a non-discriminatory basis. People need to really meditate on the freedom of religion, especially negative religious freedom (freedom from the religious demands of others). The separation of church and state has been forgotten. It might be nice to see that not all religious groups are totally anti-gay and hateful. Some are quite accepting (United Church of Christ, Lutherans, Unitarian Universalism, Reformed Jews, and others).

However, I personally feel that there are two sides of the coin of religious freedom. Freedom OF religion, and the Freedom FROM religion. Thomas Jefferson’s wall of separation between churches and the state works best when governments interfere with public life (especially the government and laws) and the government does not tell religious groups what to do.

Religious groups should marry whomever the wish and not marry whomever they do not. However, legal marriage as determined by the law must be open to everyone equally on a non-discriminatory bases. For example, let the Catholics, Mormons, etc. refuse to marry divorced people, same sex couples, their own clergy and whomever else they don’t want to. But, also insist that the government allow marriage and divorce for all on a non-discriminatory basis.

People need to really meditate on the freedom of religion, especially negative religious freedom (freedom from the religious demands of others). The separation of church and state has been forgotten.

]]> By: Stuff Queer People Need To Know http://www.365gay.com/news/lutheran-council-thwarts-move-to-toughen-gay-clergy-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-49849 Stuff Queer People Need To Know Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:40:49 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=6348#comment-49849 They are going to vote on whether or not to keep let individual gays into the clergy? Not perfect, but a step in the right direction. http://stuffqueerpeopleneedtoknow.wordpress.com/ They are going to vote on whether or not to keep let individual gays into the clergy? Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.

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