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	<title>Comments on: Latino church leaders join crusade for Florida anti-gay amendment</title>
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		<title>By: mr. queer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr. queer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i did not want to come off as a racist but i knew someone would try to pin that label on me. for the record i have had &quot;racial minority&quot; friends in the past but i don&#039;t have any that advocate me having all the rights they have so presently i do not have any. i&#039;m not opposed to racial minorities,i&#039;m opposed to heterosexual supremacists(who think &amp; act like the nazis &amp; kkk except with darker skin tones).when i wrote this e-mail i had just read that black jamaicicans in groups as big as 40 chase black gay jamaicians into the ocean where they drown really struck a nerve with me.if these mob vitims were straight,white or christians the mass media would have made this an international story.also where the naacp supported &quot;ex-gays&quot; liturature with no regrets(no gay group could support stuff on &quot;ex-blacks&quot; who bleach their skin like michael jackson with no regrets) ticked me off as well. i&#039;ve appreciated the naacp leadership &amp; the african american caucus in gay marches on washingon so this came as an act of betrayal to hear. there are more stories i&#039;ve heard lately but i won&#039;t bore anyone on here listing all of them(you can read them on the net for yourself).as for chim saying i need counseling for a bad attitude,i&#039;m justified for it with all the horror stories i&#039;ve heard about racial minorities mistreating us around the world(from muslims filing lawsuits in california so they don&#039;t have to treat pregnant lesbians due to their religious beliefs.etc).also you&#039;re tired of every glbt pointing a finger at others than ourselves? i&#039;ve got news for you, the innocent drowned black gay jamaican doesn&#039;t deserve to have anyone point a finger at him...HE WASN&#039;T THE PROBLEM= THE STRAIGHT MOB THAT KILLED HIM WAS!!!I&#039;M TIRED OF GAYS LIKE YOU BLAMING OTHER GAYS FOR WHAT WHITE OR MINORITY STRIAGHTS DO TO THEM!!!MAYBE IF YOU WENT TO COUNSELING YOU COULD TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF &amp; SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF U.S. RACIAL MINORITIES DON&#039;T CARE ABOUT US EXCEPT WHEN THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT FOR THEIR PET CAUSES. I WASN&#039;T AGAINST IMMIGRATION UNTIL I SAW THE ONGOING HATE MANY OF OUR NEW CITIZENS HAVE FOR US.I LIVE IN OHIO &amp; IN 2004 MANY RACIAL MINORITIES IN THIS STATE SUPPORTED BANNING CIVIL UNIONS IN ADDITION TO GAY MARRIAGE!!!I SUPPOSE IN YOUR WORLD WE ARE REPONSIBLE FOR THIS TRAVESTY!!!IF SOME OF THE OLDER GLBT&#039;S IN THE 70&#039;S &amp; 80&#039;s CUT BACK ON IMMIGRATION THEN,THE FLORIDA,ARIZONA &amp; CA. AMENDMENTS WOULD ALL GO DOWN IN DEFEAT THIS YEAR BUT NO WE HAVE TO KISS ALL THESE INTERNATIONAL HATERS ASSES!!!I COULD GO ON BUT I THINK MAYBE NOW YOU GET WHERE I&#039;M COMING FROM.PEACE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i did not want to come off as a racist but i knew someone would try to pin that label on me. for the record i have had &#8220;racial minority&#8221; friends in the past but i don&#8217;t have any that advocate me having all the rights they have so presently i do not have any. i&#8217;m not opposed to racial minorities,i&#8217;m opposed to heterosexual supremacists(who think &amp; act like the nazis &amp; kkk except with darker skin tones).when i wrote this e-mail i had just read that black jamaicicans in groups as big as 40 chase black gay jamaicians into the ocean where they drown really struck a nerve with me.if these mob vitims were straight,white or christians the mass media would have made this an international story.also where the naacp supported &#8220;ex-gays&#8221; liturature with no regrets(no gay group could support stuff on &#8220;ex-blacks&#8221; who bleach their skin like michael jackson with no regrets) ticked me off as well. i&#8217;ve appreciated the naacp leadership &amp; the african american caucus in gay marches on washingon so this came as an act of betrayal to hear. there are more stories i&#8217;ve heard lately but i won&#8217;t bore anyone on here listing all of them(you can read them on the net for yourself).as for chim saying i need counseling for a bad attitude,i&#8217;m justified for it with all the horror stories i&#8217;ve heard about racial minorities mistreating us around the world(from muslims filing lawsuits in california so they don&#8217;t have to treat pregnant lesbians due to their religious beliefs.etc).also you&#8217;re tired of every glbt pointing a finger at others than ourselves? i&#8217;ve got news for you, the innocent drowned black gay jamaican doesn&#8217;t deserve to have anyone point a finger at him&#8230;HE WASN&#8217;T THE PROBLEM= THE STRAIGHT MOB THAT KILLED HIM WAS!!!I&#8217;M TIRED OF GAYS LIKE YOU BLAMING OTHER GAYS FOR WHAT WHITE OR MINORITY STRIAGHTS DO TO THEM!!!MAYBE IF YOU WENT TO COUNSELING YOU COULD TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF &amp; SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF U.S. RACIAL MINORITIES DON&#8217;T CARE ABOUT US EXCEPT WHEN THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT FOR THEIR PET CAUSES. I WASN&#8217;T AGAINST IMMIGRATION UNTIL I SAW THE ONGOING HATE MANY OF OUR NEW CITIZENS HAVE FOR US.I LIVE IN OHIO &amp; IN 2004 MANY RACIAL MINORITIES IN THIS STATE SUPPORTED BANNING CIVIL UNIONS IN ADDITION TO GAY MARRIAGE!!!I SUPPOSE IN YOUR WORLD WE ARE REPONSIBLE FOR THIS TRAVESTY!!!IF SOME OF THE OLDER GLBT&#8217;S IN THE 70&#8242;S &amp; 80&#8217;s CUT BACK ON IMMIGRATION THEN,THE FLORIDA,ARIZONA &amp; CA. AMENDMENTS WOULD ALL GO DOWN IN DEFEAT THIS YEAR BUT NO WE HAVE TO KISS ALL THESE INTERNATIONAL HATERS ASSES!!!I COULD GO ON BUT I THINK MAYBE NOW YOU GET WHERE I&#8217;M COMING FROM.PEACE.</p>
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		<title>By: TigerTzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>TigerTzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Opinionator: Amen, Brother!  Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Opinionator: Amen, Brother!  Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Opinionator</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/latino-church-leaders-join-crusade-for-florida-anti-gay-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-23856</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinionator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“There is nothing more sacred than that of the union of a man and woman joined in holy matrimony,” said Bishop Esteves in a statement. “I pray that Floridians join us in ensuring that marriage is defined by people and not the court system.”

First, the courts are made up of people, very learned people (mostly, anyway), who study the law and rule according to previous cases and precedents, all of which are ultimately based on the U.S. Constitution. It is their assigned duties to specifically looks at the cases and to make just, legal and meaningful rulings. Because of this, we are not a country that has absolute majority rule. The court system was established to protect any &quot;suspect minorities&quot; from a &quot;tyranny of the majority&quot;. So, we must fight out same-sex marriage in the courts, and eventually we will have the associated rights whether any religious groups like it or not. One claims a court I legislating from the bench only when one does not agree with their rulings, and of course, all court cases ultimately are legislative rulings, including those where they say the courts only “interpret the constitution”. It is the nature of the beast. Courts are not designed to be rubber stamps of executive proclamations and legislative motions. To do so would remove the checks and balances we so desperately need to keep tyrants in check.

And I agree that marriage between any two people, mixed-sex or same-sex should be considered “holy”. Having laws allowing same-sex marriage in ABSOLUTELY no way diminishes anything “holy” about mixed-sex marriages, and in ABSOLUTELY NO way does it interfere with them. Anyone who says otherwise is simply a tyrant and a control freak. They are completely in error to think otherwise.

That said, every person who chooses a religion does just that: THEY CHOOSE RELIGION. Religion does not choose them. And thusly, their choice affords them no special place or status in society. They need to get over themselves and quit listening to the brainwashing done by their “no-so-holy-than-thou” cleric leaders.

So let it be known to everyone, religious or not, that because a person chooses their religion, and adopts the ways and policies of their chosen religion, their choice ABSOLUTELY:
(1) does NOT give them a superior moral position over anyone else. 
(2) does NOT endow them with a monopoly on good, kind, ethical and high moral behavior, 
(3) does NOT transfer to them a position of authority over any other human being.
(4) does NOT allow them to become judge and jury over any other person or group.
(5) does NOT grant them any privileges to spew hateful speech, to incite hateful actions, or to manifest hurtful actions or evil deeds against another.
(6) does NOT authorize them to act with discrimination, picking and choosing whom they believe to be virtuous and faultless, or the opposite.
(7) does NOT pardon them for their discriminatory behavior.
(8) does NOT authorize their so-called “sacred” texts to have any superior status over the secular laws of the land.
(9) does NOT allocate to them any preferential status within the United States government or governments of the States or its local communities.
(10) does NOT allow them to act contrary to law, or against another person, without rebuke or reprisal.

Please take this list and apply it to all religious organization so they will begin to understand their status with our society. I do not wish to belittle their religion, but then again, I require that they do not diminish me or any other “suspect minority” which they may dispute. I demand to be treated with dignity, and they must comply, and according to law or court ruling, as the case may be.

Let it be written; let it be done, NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There is nothing more sacred than that of the union of a man and woman joined in holy matrimony,” said Bishop Esteves in a statement. “I pray that Floridians join us in ensuring that marriage is defined by people and not the court system.”</p>
<p>First, the courts are made up of people, very learned people (mostly, anyway), who study the law and rule according to previous cases and precedents, all of which are ultimately based on the U.S. Constitution. It is their assigned duties to specifically looks at the cases and to make just, legal and meaningful rulings. Because of this, we are not a country that has absolute majority rule. The court system was established to protect any &#8220;suspect minorities&#8221; from a &#8220;tyranny of the majority&#8221;. So, we must fight out same-sex marriage in the courts, and eventually we will have the associated rights whether any religious groups like it or not. One claims a court I legislating from the bench only when one does not agree with their rulings, and of course, all court cases ultimately are legislative rulings, including those where they say the courts only “interpret the constitution”. It is the nature of the beast. Courts are not designed to be rubber stamps of executive proclamations and legislative motions. To do so would remove the checks and balances we so desperately need to keep tyrants in check.</p>
<p>And I agree that marriage between any two people, mixed-sex or same-sex should be considered “holy”. Having laws allowing same-sex marriage in ABSOLUTELY no way diminishes anything “holy” about mixed-sex marriages, and in ABSOLUTELY NO way does it interfere with them. Anyone who says otherwise is simply a tyrant and a control freak. They are completely in error to think otherwise.</p>
<p>That said, every person who chooses a religion does just that: THEY CHOOSE RELIGION. Religion does not choose them. And thusly, their choice affords them no special place or status in society. They need to get over themselves and quit listening to the brainwashing done by their “no-so-holy-than-thou” cleric leaders.</p>
<p>So let it be known to everyone, religious or not, that because a person chooses their religion, and adopts the ways and policies of their chosen religion, their choice ABSOLUTELY:<br />
(1) does NOT give them a superior moral position over anyone else.<br />
(2) does NOT endow them with a monopoly on good, kind, ethical and high moral behavior,<br />
(3) does NOT transfer to them a position of authority over any other human being.<br />
(4) does NOT allow them to become judge and jury over any other person or group.<br />
(5) does NOT grant them any privileges to spew hateful speech, to incite hateful actions, or to manifest hurtful actions or evil deeds against another.<br />
(6) does NOT authorize them to act with discrimination, picking and choosing whom they believe to be virtuous and faultless, or the opposite.<br />
(7) does NOT pardon them for their discriminatory behavior.<br />
(8) does NOT authorize their so-called “sacred” texts to have any superior status over the secular laws of the land.<br />
(9) does NOT allocate to them any preferential status within the United States government or governments of the States or its local communities.<br />
(10) does NOT allow them to act contrary to law, or against another person, without rebuke or reprisal.</p>
<p>Please take this list and apply it to all religious organization so they will begin to understand their status with our society. I do not wish to belittle their religion, but then again, I require that they do not diminish me or any other “suspect minority” which they may dispute. I demand to be treated with dignity, and they must comply, and according to law or court ruling, as the case may be.</p>
<p>Let it be written; let it be done, NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Miami2Minneapolis_Refugee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miami2Minneapolis_Refugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> [freaking] Cubans! GO BACK TO CUBA AND LEAVE FLORIDA TO AMERICANS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[freaking] Cubans! GO BACK TO CUBA AND LEAVE FLORIDA TO AMERICANS!</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How dare they! I love the way minorities get pitted against each other in the name of religion. These people need to WAKE UP. And this crap: 
&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt; 

What they fail to say is that these studies don on the &quot;breakdown of marriages&quot; have been done on STRAIGHT MARRIAGES. We gays haven&#039;t had the luxury until recently, so that crap in not relevant. 

A child needs a loving and nurturing home environment, NOT A ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN QUOTA.  

You know what&#039;s really sad? These groups are spending millions of $ trying to deny us our rights. Think what they could be doing with that money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare they! I love the way minorities get pitted against each other in the name of religion. These people need to WAKE UP. And this crap:<br />
&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt; </p>
<p>What they fail to say is that these studies don on the &#8220;breakdown of marriages&#8221; have been done on STRAIGHT MARRIAGES. We gays haven&#8217;t had the luxury until recently, so that crap in not relevant. </p>
<p>A child needs a loving and nurturing home environment, NOT A ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN QUOTA.  </p>
<p>You know what&#8217;s really sad? These groups are spending millions of $ trying to deny us our rights. Think what they could be doing with that money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it has not been said here, if marriage is such a sacred tradition, why does it show in a 1994 study that Florida was in the Top 10 for divorce rates in the country?  From January-September 2006, Florida had the HIGHEST rate of divorces (from states that participated in the study) at 66,712, per the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention&#039;s National Center for Health Statistics.  If marriage is so sacred and honored, how come there is so many divorces??  Why don&#039;t the religious zealots first focus on that, before going off on their bigoted, self-centered quest, wearing their mixed-fiber clothes, while eating shrimp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it has not been said here, if marriage is such a sacred tradition, why does it show in a 1994 study that Florida was in the Top 10 for divorce rates in the country?  From January-September 2006, Florida had the HIGHEST rate of divorces (from states that participated in the study) at 66,712, per the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention&#8217;s National Center for Health Statistics.  If marriage is so sacred and honored, how come there is so many divorces??  Why don&#8217;t the religious zealots first focus on that, before going off on their bigoted, self-centered quest, wearing their mixed-fiber clothes, while eating shrimp?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a violation of our constition. Religious leaders should not be taking up politics at all. They should be stripped of their tax status and be forced to pay taxes. That is a law they are violating. Someone please let others know about this and make it known to the general public and media what these bigots are doing. It&#039;s criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a violation of our constition. Religious leaders should not be taking up politics at all. They should be stripped of their tax status and be forced to pay taxes. That is a law they are violating. Someone please let others know about this and make it known to the general public and media what these bigots are doing. It&#8217;s criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: chim</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/latino-church-leaders-join-crusade-for-florida-anti-gay-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-23371</link>
		<dc:creator>chim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, way to support the as you said, &quot;blacks &amp; latinos&quot;. What a racist bigot you are. There are many African Americans born in the United States, as well as latinosjborn here. I understand that you don&#039;t want illegal immigrants, but for the African Americans and Latinos that live here and born here, you should have respect for them. I&#039;m a gay white man, and I&#039;m sick of us pointing fingers at everyone except ourselves. You need to go to some type of counseling for such a bad attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, way to support the as you said, &#8220;blacks &amp; latinos&#8221;. What a racist bigot you are. There are many African Americans born in the United States, as well as latinosjborn here. I understand that you don&#8217;t want illegal immigrants, but for the African Americans and Latinos that live here and born here, you should have respect for them. I&#8217;m a gay white man, and I&#8217;m sick of us pointing fingers at everyone except ourselves. You need to go to some type of counseling for such a bad attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these churches believe they need to be involved in politics of same sex marriages, then they should lose their non-profit status.  Fair is fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these churches believe they need to be involved in politics of same sex marriages, then they should lose their non-profit status.  Fair is fair.</p>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.

James</description>
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<p>James</p>
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