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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/la-times-gay-marriage-question-put-to-sotomayor/comment-page-2/#comment-68788</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay The Price,

John F. Kennedy was a Catholic but he refused let his Catholic background influence his decisions. It was feared that the Pope would influence how he did things, but that was not the case. He did not pay blind allegiance to the Pope. He and not the Pope was US President and he ran it that way.

There are many liberal Catholics who don&#039;t hesitate to question the Pope&#039;s authority on a variety of issues including gay issues and some of them are less prejudiced than you. My best friend is a gay male Episcopalian who converted from Catholicism and he is one of the kindest guys I ever met. He is for the whole range of GLBT equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay The Price,</p>
<p>John F. Kennedy was a Catholic but he refused let his Catholic background influence his decisions. It was feared that the Pope would influence how he did things, but that was not the case. He did not pay blind allegiance to the Pope. He and not the Pope was US President and he ran it that way.</p>
<p>There are many liberal Catholics who don&#8217;t hesitate to question the Pope&#8217;s authority on a variety of issues including gay issues and some of them are less prejudiced than you. My best friend is a gay male Episcopalian who converted from Catholicism and he is one of the kindest guys I ever met. He is for the whole range of GLBT equality.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/la-times-gay-marriage-question-put-to-sotomayor/comment-page-2/#comment-68764</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one commentor has made, it does seem like everyone who is white and male has it out for Sotomayor and BrianMN your comment just proves the point.  Talk about racist and sexist!

The thing is Sotomayor does not make laws, she rules on those laws made by elected officials.  Including Sessions who has been pulled in front of a ethics committe about his numerious racist comments.  Sessions is allowed to keep his position and made a number of laws in his 25 years in government.  25 years in which people elected him over and over after each racist remark.  Not only him but a number of elect officials who have made not only racist but sexist remarks, which suprisingly came from white men.  Interesting isn&#039;t it.

Also may I remind those commentors that Clarence Thomas who sexually harassed women under him (Anita Hill), but so-call wise men determine that she and the other women were lying.  And he was confirmed.

But some comments here think that someone saying a &quot;Wise latino woman&quot; is a racist remark.  Considering the responses and the vemon being put forth by many supposely rights concious people.  May I ask how many times have we said that were smarter than some of our officials?  She said it not as a judge but as a private citizen to encourage people in her community to reach for positions and not to be afraid because they are latino or from a poor background.

As to her being evasitve about answering is understandable.  If she answers them and a case shows up before SCOTUS the lawyers could accused her of being bias and having any ruling thrown out.  Anyone ever thought about thiat?  She makes her view known and poof the lawers have a perfect excuse... don&#039;t they and we know that some lawyers will take any excuse to win a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one commentor has made, it does seem like everyone who is white and male has it out for Sotomayor and BrianMN your comment just proves the point.  Talk about racist and sexist!</p>
<p>The thing is Sotomayor does not make laws, she rules on those laws made by elected officials.  Including Sessions who has been pulled in front of a ethics committe about his numerious racist comments.  Sessions is allowed to keep his position and made a number of laws in his 25 years in government.  25 years in which people elected him over and over after each racist remark.  Not only him but a number of elect officials who have made not only racist but sexist remarks, which suprisingly came from white men.  Interesting isn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>Also may I remind those commentors that Clarence Thomas who sexually harassed women under him (Anita Hill), but so-call wise men determine that she and the other women were lying.  And he was confirmed.</p>
<p>But some comments here think that someone saying a &#8220;Wise latino woman&#8221; is a racist remark.  Considering the responses and the vemon being put forth by many supposely rights concious people.  May I ask how many times have we said that were smarter than some of our officials?  She said it not as a judge but as a private citizen to encourage people in her community to reach for positions and not to be afraid because they are latino or from a poor background.</p>
<p>As to her being evasitve about answering is understandable.  If she answers them and a case shows up before SCOTUS the lawyers could accused her of being bias and having any ruling thrown out.  Anyone ever thought about thiat?  She makes her view known and poof the lawers have a perfect excuse&#8230; don&#8217;t they and we know that some lawyers will take any excuse to win a case.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Warren.
Here&#039;s a big up yours in your direction mother f*****.
As far as the rest of you dirt bags that are calling us racist for questioning Dodomayor.
SHE BELONGS TO F***** LA RAZA.
A F***** extremist HATE GROUP.
And yes I&#039;ve done my homework on them.
They&#039;re dangerous and she...like ALL politicans and judges are not to be trusted.
But you short sighted, clueless b**** keep ho&#039;in yourselves out to anyone who will even give us an approving glance.
Stupid.
Clueless.
I&#039;m done....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Warren.<br />
Here&#8217;s a big up yours in your direction mother f*****.<br />
As far as the rest of you dirt bags that are calling us racist for questioning Dodomayor.<br />
SHE BELONGS TO F***** LA RAZA.<br />
A F***** extremist HATE GROUP.<br />
And yes I&#8217;ve done my homework on them.<br />
They&#8217;re dangerous and she&#8230;like ALL politicans and judges are not to be trusted.<br />
But you short sighted, clueless b**** keep ho&#8217;in yourselves out to anyone who will even give us an approving glance.<br />
Stupid.<br />
Clueless.<br />
I&#8217;m done&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/la-times-gay-marriage-question-put-to-sotomayor/comment-page-2/#comment-68711</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full comment. ==========================
“I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement,” Sotomayor says. “First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.” 

“Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society,” she said. “Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.” 

“However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give,” she continued. “For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage.”
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Sounds to me like she’s being honest in saying that her background plays a part in her decision making process which everyone does and apparently most are not honest about. 

That’s only a problem in this instance is that she’s not a white male.

Who’s the racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full comment. ==========================<br />
“I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement,” Sotomayor says. “First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.” </p>
<p>“Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society,” she said. “Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.” </p>
<p>“However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give,” she continued. “For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage.”<br />
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<p>Sounds to me like she’s being honest in saying that her background plays a part in her decision making process which everyone does and apparently most are not honest about. </p>
<p>That’s only a problem in this instance is that she’s not a white male.</p>
<p>Who’s the racist?</p>
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		<title>By: The Menstruator</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Menstruator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bunch of weirdos from 365 gay don&#039;t trust sotomayor, since they are clearly so educated and can pick up on bad spelling (oh impressive) they must be right. Sotomayor can&#039;t be trusted if these anonymous ninnies think so. Meanwhile, a man&#039;s trust worthiness is never questioned, even though it can be argued that all men are rapists. But that&#039;s a trustworthy trait?
I&#039;m glad she&#039;s arrogant. Why shouldn&#039;t she be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bunch of weirdos from 365 gay don&#8217;t trust sotomayor, since they are clearly so educated and can pick up on bad spelling (oh impressive) they must be right. Sotomayor can&#8217;t be trusted if these anonymous ninnies think so. Meanwhile, a man&#8217;s trust worthiness is never questioned, even though it can be argued that all men are rapists. But that&#8217;s a trustworthy trait?<br />
I&#8217;m glad she&#8217;s arrogant. Why shouldn&#8217;t she be?</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why all the comments that Sotomayor is not trustworthy have been from men? It&#039;s time to do what we expect our straight neighbors to do, and step out of our assumptions that people who are inherently different from ourselves (be the difference rooted in gender, sexual orientation, race, etc) are not to be trusted. Trusted with what, pray tell? If you mean gay rights, Sotomayor has little track record as a gay rights advocate--unlike Obama, who has not done much to forward his campaign promises. There is no hiding anything on her part. But the confirmation of someone who looks different, and who had had a different cultural and gender experience than 99% of Supreme Court justices, historically, is a step forward for the gay community. It is another crack in the long-held belief that those who do not look and act alike do not deserve to be held in equal regard. 

I&#039;m disheartened by the venom on this page. Why is it that La Raza is considered kin to the KKK? Would you say the same about the NAACP or Sons and Daughters of the Mayflower? As poster Morgan noted, Sotomayor identified herself as a wise Latina in the context of a speech meant to encourage Latino students, not in a legal opinion. It was also made in the context of a larger society in which white males hold a vastly disproportionate amount of power and privilege. She didn&#039;t compare herself to an unwise white person, as one comment stated, nor was her intent to imply that more often than not, she would make a better decision than a white man, as another poster declared. Her comment was akin to a gay leader intimating to a gay audience that being gay had made him/her a better, wiser person than he/she otherwise might have been. 

Shame on you, white gay men, for not having the grace to extend to women of color the freedom of pride you yourselves demand. 

Be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why all the comments that Sotomayor is not trustworthy have been from men? It&#8217;s time to do what we expect our straight neighbors to do, and step out of our assumptions that people who are inherently different from ourselves (be the difference rooted in gender, sexual orientation, race, etc) are not to be trusted. Trusted with what, pray tell? If you mean gay rights, Sotomayor has little track record as a gay rights advocate&#8211;unlike Obama, who has not done much to forward his campaign promises. There is no hiding anything on her part. But the confirmation of someone who looks different, and who had had a different cultural and gender experience than 99% of Supreme Court justices, historically, is a step forward for the gay community. It is another crack in the long-held belief that those who do not look and act alike do not deserve to be held in equal regard. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m disheartened by the venom on this page. Why is it that La Raza is considered kin to the KKK? Would you say the same about the NAACP or Sons and Daughters of the Mayflower? As poster Morgan noted, Sotomayor identified herself as a wise Latina in the context of a speech meant to encourage Latino students, not in a legal opinion. It was also made in the context of a larger society in which white males hold a vastly disproportionate amount of power and privilege. She didn&#8217;t compare herself to an unwise white person, as one comment stated, nor was her intent to imply that more often than not, she would make a better decision than a white man, as another poster declared. Her comment was akin to a gay leader intimating to a gay audience that being gay had made him/her a better, wiser person than he/she otherwise might have been. </p>
<p>Shame on you, white gay men, for not having the grace to extend to women of color the freedom of pride you yourselves demand. </p>
<p>Be well.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis from Washington (vote NO on 71)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis from Washington (vote NO on 71)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I had a time machine and can go back to 1971 and see them applying for a marriage licence - and hopefully me being the one on the other side of the counter handing them one!!!!!!!!!

I hope the couple is still alive today - I have seen there pictures, they make such as cute couple!!!!!!!


YES ON MARRIAGE FOR ALL*!!!!!!!

* ALL means straights, gays, blacks, whites, muslims, christians, rich, poor, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I had a time machine and can go back to 1971 and see them applying for a marriage licence &#8211; and hopefully me being the one on the other side of the counter handing them one!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I hope the couple is still alive today &#8211; I have seen there pictures, they make such as cute couple!!!!!!!</p>
<p>YES ON MARRIAGE FOR ALL*!!!!!!!</p>
<p>* ALL means straights, gays, blacks, whites, muslims, christians, rich, poor, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/la-times-gay-marriage-question-put-to-sotomayor/comment-page-2/#comment-68635</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that these hearings have only highlighted the bigoted, racist, and homophobic views of the Republican Senators involved.  They have proven themselves, not the nominee, to be racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that these hearings have only highlighted the bigoted, racist, and homophobic views of the Republican Senators involved.  They have proven themselves, not the nominee, to be racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/la-times-gay-marriage-question-put-to-sotomayor/comment-page-2/#comment-68624</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sotomayor is NOT a racist! She ruled on the case with the New Haven firefighters with the presidents the Surpreme Court has made and the laws that were on the books. I don&#039;t get why some of you are beginning to sound like the same republicans who are viciously attacking her on baseless grounds. (NOTE: these republicans are the some people in case you have forgotten who attack US during an election and vote against ANYTHING that would benefit the LGBT community in anyway, shape,and form. Would you rather have another old, white bible-thumping republican from the south who would probably vote against anything that would benefit our community to replace David Souter? Think about that! Hopefully someday, when gay marriage reaches the Supreme Court, we will have the right justices, case, lawyers, the whole nine yards. As a young gay man, I trust her than all of the Republicans on the Supreme Court any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sotomayor is NOT a racist! She ruled on the case with the New Haven firefighters with the presidents the Surpreme Court has made and the laws that were on the books. I don&#8217;t get why some of you are beginning to sound like the same republicans who are viciously attacking her on baseless grounds. (NOTE: these republicans are the some people in case you have forgotten who attack US during an election and vote against ANYTHING that would benefit the LGBT community in anyway, shape,and form. Would you rather have another old, white bible-thumping republican from the south who would probably vote against anything that would benefit our community to replace David Souter? Think about that! Hopefully someday, when gay marriage reaches the Supreme Court, we will have the right justices, case, lawyers, the whole nine yards. As a young gay man, I trust her than all of the Republicans on the Supreme Court any day.</p>
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		<title>By: PayThePrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>PayThePrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant wait to have a &quot;Free Thinker&quot; or Human Secularist on SCOTUS... 

One thing for certain, we didn&#039;t need another Fu*kholer Catholic of ANY race!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant wait to have a &#8220;Free Thinker&#8221; or Human Secularist on SCOTUS&#8230; </p>
<p>One thing for certain, we didn&#8217;t need another Fu*kholer Catholic of ANY race!!!!</p>
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