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		<title>By: jaymo</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/kennedys-catholicism-source-of-comfort-conflict/comment-page-1/#comment-72619</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveW, following the logic of your comments, if you are a US taxpayer I hold you personally responsible for every civilian death in Iraq and the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, and by virtue of your culpability you cannot possibly have any other redeeming qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveW, following the logic of your comments, if you are a US taxpayer I hold you personally responsible for every civilian death in Iraq and the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, and by virtue of your culpability you cannot possibly have any other redeeming qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud, perhaps you missed my point.....those 75% of Catholics you refer to are the VERY PEOPLE WHO FUNDED PROP 8.

You can&#039;t be for equality and then fund bigotry and get a pass from me...forgiving?  They have blood on their hands, it is that simple.

BTW God is not forgiving, he was made up to control these people that can&#039;t seem to figure out how they are harming the world while trying to feel good about their &quot;moderated&quot; faith.

tithe = murder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud, perhaps you missed my point&#8230;..those 75% of Catholics you refer to are the VERY PEOPLE WHO FUNDED PROP 8.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t be for equality and then fund bigotry and get a pass from me&#8230;forgiving?  They have blood on their hands, it is that simple.</p>
<p>BTW God is not forgiving, he was made up to control these people that can&#8217;t seem to figure out how they are harming the world while trying to feel good about their &#8220;moderated&#8221; faith.</p>
<p>tithe = murder</p>
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		<title>By: footwork61</title>
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		<dc:creator>footwork61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, those wacky Catholics! See AP squib below.

 I guess poor Ted was in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation. He gets assailed for being Catholic, and, he gets ripped by the Catholics for not being Catholic enough.

I hope Bill Donohue from the Catholic League weighs in next. That’s always good for a chortle. I’m sure they went apoplectic when someone from the family offered a prayer to “close the book on the old politics of race and gender, group against group, and straight against gay.”

Reminds me of one of my favorite “Simpsons” episodes where Marge goes off to bible camp to learn to be more judgmental. These people must have been to that same camp.

BOSTON (AP) —  A leading conservative Catholic lobbying group says Sen. Edward Kennedy’s funeral Mass is evidence of corruption in the U.S. church, and called Kennedy “one of America’s most notorious opponents of Catholic morality.”
      C. J. Doyle, executive director of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts, said the funeral “a tragic example of the Church’s willingness to surrender to the culture.”
      Doyle noted Kennedy supported abortion and gay rights — both in opposition to church teachings. Doyle’s organization lobbies on political and social issues.
      President Barack Obama eulogized Kennedy at the funeral Saturday at the Mission Church in Boston, one of city’s the most historic shrines. Cardinal Sean O’Malley led the final prayer.
      Kennedy once said his Catholic faith was the greatest gift his mother ever gave to his family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, those wacky Catholics! See AP squib below.</p>
<p> I guess poor Ted was in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation. He gets assailed for being Catholic, and, he gets ripped by the Catholics for not being Catholic enough.</p>
<p>I hope Bill Donohue from the Catholic League weighs in next. That’s always good for a chortle. I’m sure they went apoplectic when someone from the family offered a prayer to “close the book on the old politics of race and gender, group against group, and straight against gay.”</p>
<p>Reminds me of one of my favorite “Simpsons” episodes where Marge goes off to bible camp to learn to be more judgmental. These people must have been to that same camp.</p>
<p>BOSTON (AP) —  A leading conservative Catholic lobbying group says Sen. Edward Kennedy’s funeral Mass is evidence of corruption in the U.S. church, and called Kennedy “one of America’s most notorious opponents of Catholic morality.”<br />
      C. J. Doyle, executive director of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts, said the funeral “a tragic example of the Church’s willingness to surrender to the culture.”<br />
      Doyle noted Kennedy supported abortion and gay rights — both in opposition to church teachings. Doyle’s organization lobbies on political and social issues.<br />
      President Barack Obama eulogized Kennedy at the funeral Saturday at the Mission Church in Boston, one of city’s the most historic shrines. Cardinal Sean O’Malley led the final prayer.<br />
      Kennedy once said his Catholic faith was the greatest gift his mother ever gave to his family.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond H. Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond H. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately God is more forgiving than DaveW.

About 75% of American Catholics stopped kissing the pope&#039;s dessicated derriere when Paul VI was overruled by his counselors and forbade any kind of artificial birth control.

Rail against the Catholic HIERARCHY and POPE MALEDICT XVI, but MORE Catholic VOTERS are in favor of marriage equality than Protestants. Like the anti-abortionists, the anti-marriage-equality Catholics are noisy, but they are a minority ... the rest support us in the voting booth, where it counts.

Bud Burgoon-Clark
San Diego CA USA
ex Catholic, now Anglican</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately God is more forgiving than DaveW.</p>
<p>About 75% of American Catholics stopped kissing the pope&#8217;s dessicated derriere when Paul VI was overruled by his counselors and forbade any kind of artificial birth control.</p>
<p>Rail against the Catholic HIERARCHY and POPE MALEDICT XVI, but MORE Catholic VOTERS are in favor of marriage equality than Protestants. Like the anti-abortionists, the anti-marriage-equality Catholics are noisy, but they are a minority &#8230; the rest support us in the voting booth, where it counts.</p>
<p>Bud Burgoon-Clark<br />
San Diego CA USA<br />
ex Catholic, now Anglican</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with our kowtowing to his memory without regard to the shame his whole family brought on this state this week, we are whitewashing a huge sin American Catholics commit against us:  they fund the hate machine.

As a resident of Mass I&#039;ve witnessed the Kennedy hysteria.  Clearly he redeemed himself somewhat, was a champion of our equality and created his reputation with selfless acts of biparisanship as well as tireless outreach to his constituents on a very personal level.  He even has written me, a libertarian who could never vote for someone who believes the government needs to pay for everyone&#039;s needs, funded by the wealthy.  But his real legacy is one of a spoiled drunken womanizer raised in a family with a very thin moral code, if they had one at all.  Right and wrong don&#039;t matter in a family of thugs that made their fortune illicitly, and we all know Rose&#039;s place in the family even though this article puts some rosy shades in front of the whole situation.

Go ahead and scream at me but this is a family our nation should not be proud of, whose greatest achievements came about by marrying one of their sons to someone from a truly &quot;good&quot; family.

For us to sit by and say he was a good man because he was for abortion rights and equal marriage rights against the teachings of his church is to ignore the huge sin he committed against us:  HIS MONEY FUNDED THE MACHINE THAT TOOK AWAY MARRIAGE EQUALITY IN CALIFORNIA AND IS WORKING TODAY TO DO THE SAME IN MAINE.

Any Catholic..and that includes gays reading this...any Catholic that gives one thin dime to that hateful organization is responsible for prop 8 and what might happen in Maine.

Kennedy may have been for equality, but he funded the hate machine.  We are a really stupid bunch of people if we keep saying things like I am reading:  Catholics are ok because most don&#039;t agree with the bigotry.  THEY FUND IT.

In Mass we had the catholic churches organizing bus trips to Boston with their children on board holding hate-signs..their children!

I for one will not give one single catholic tither the benefit of the doubt on this.  Ted Kennedy suredly gave money to his church...you buy annulments, we all know that...so he must have.  He is guilty, has blood on his hands.

No morality pass for religion!  No ignorance pass for &quot;corrosive&quot; catholics that do not agree with the bigotry but still fund the hate campaigns.

In Maine the veto drive has the RCC&#039;s name on it...they did not simply donate money (they have and will continue to...watch for donations originating in New Haven, CT) they took out the petition (something that should be illegal...evil religion should not be able to work politics).

Sorry, I&#039;m not buying the good catholic/good liberal lie we have been peddling in Irish Catholic working class massachusetts for so many years.

Fund hate = bigotry.  make a choice people, you can&#039;t have both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with our kowtowing to his memory without regard to the shame his whole family brought on this state this week, we are whitewashing a huge sin American Catholics commit against us:  they fund the hate machine.</p>
<p>As a resident of Mass I&#8217;ve witnessed the Kennedy hysteria.  Clearly he redeemed himself somewhat, was a champion of our equality and created his reputation with selfless acts of biparisanship as well as tireless outreach to his constituents on a very personal level.  He even has written me, a libertarian who could never vote for someone who believes the government needs to pay for everyone&#8217;s needs, funded by the wealthy.  But his real legacy is one of a spoiled drunken womanizer raised in a family with a very thin moral code, if they had one at all.  Right and wrong don&#8217;t matter in a family of thugs that made their fortune illicitly, and we all know Rose&#8217;s place in the family even though this article puts some rosy shades in front of the whole situation.</p>
<p>Go ahead and scream at me but this is a family our nation should not be proud of, whose greatest achievements came about by marrying one of their sons to someone from a truly &#8220;good&#8221; family.</p>
<p>For us to sit by and say he was a good man because he was for abortion rights and equal marriage rights against the teachings of his church is to ignore the huge sin he committed against us:  HIS MONEY FUNDED THE MACHINE THAT TOOK AWAY MARRIAGE EQUALITY IN CALIFORNIA AND IS WORKING TODAY TO DO THE SAME IN MAINE.</p>
<p>Any Catholic..and that includes gays reading this&#8230;any Catholic that gives one thin dime to that hateful organization is responsible for prop 8 and what might happen in Maine.</p>
<p>Kennedy may have been for equality, but he funded the hate machine.  We are a really stupid bunch of people if we keep saying things like I am reading:  Catholics are ok because most don&#8217;t agree with the bigotry.  THEY FUND IT.</p>
<p>In Mass we had the catholic churches organizing bus trips to Boston with their children on board holding hate-signs..their children!</p>
<p>I for one will not give one single catholic tither the benefit of the doubt on this.  Ted Kennedy suredly gave money to his church&#8230;you buy annulments, we all know that&#8230;so he must have.  He is guilty, has blood on his hands.</p>
<p>No morality pass for religion!  No ignorance pass for &#8220;corrosive&#8221; catholics that do not agree with the bigotry but still fund the hate campaigns.</p>
<p>In Maine the veto drive has the RCC&#8217;s name on it&#8230;they did not simply donate money (they have and will continue to&#8230;watch for donations originating in New Haven, CT) they took out the petition (something that should be illegal&#8230;evil religion should not be able to work politics).</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m not buying the good catholic/good liberal lie we have been peddling in Irish Catholic working class massachusetts for so many years.</p>
<p>Fund hate = bigotry.  make a choice people, you can&#8217;t have both.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Russell Shaw, former spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said when Kennedy defied the church on issues such as abortion and later, gay marriage, he reinforced a corrosive belief among Catholics that they can simply ignore teachings they don’t agree with.&quot;

Such arrogance. 

It proves that &quot;corrosion&quot; is indeed a good thing - how else to peel away all the imperfections to reveal something better, purer - indeed more &quot;God-like&quot;. 

The catholic churches greatest flaw is that it is under the highly self-destructive delusion that they already have all the answers and that only strict adherence to outdated dogma and the sad concept of &quot;blind faith&quot; are of any value.

There&#039;s a reason they call it &quot;blind&quot;.

True faith is never afraid of questioning, of exploring and by entension... of growing. 

Ted Kennedy was indeed a symbol of a man and of millions of American catholics whose real life and reality are in conflict with the part of their faith ... but it is their faith that needs to do the catching up, not the other way around.

Thanks Ted - you had your share of ups and downs like we all have - but in spite of that - you strove to give something positive back to the world - and in your own small way - you have. 

You will be missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Russell Shaw, former spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said when Kennedy defied the church on issues such as abortion and later, gay marriage, he reinforced a corrosive belief among Catholics that they can simply ignore teachings they don’t agree with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such arrogance. </p>
<p>It proves that &#8220;corrosion&#8221; is indeed a good thing &#8211; how else to peel away all the imperfections to reveal something better, purer &#8211; indeed more &#8220;God-like&#8221;. </p>
<p>The catholic churches greatest flaw is that it is under the highly self-destructive delusion that they already have all the answers and that only strict adherence to outdated dogma and the sad concept of &#8220;blind faith&#8221; are of any value.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason they call it &#8220;blind&#8221;.</p>
<p>True faith is never afraid of questioning, of exploring and by entension&#8230; of growing. </p>
<p>Ted Kennedy was indeed a symbol of a man and of millions of American catholics whose real life and reality are in conflict with the part of their faith &#8230; but it is their faith that needs to do the catching up, not the other way around.</p>
<p>Thanks Ted &#8211; you had your share of ups and downs like we all have &#8211; but in spite of that &#8211; you strove to give something positive back to the world &#8211; and in your own small way &#8211; you have. </p>
<p>You will be missed.</p>
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