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		<title>By: moshe rabeynu</title>
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		<dc:creator>moshe rabeynu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A TREATISE ON THE NEED FOR A SEMITIC MODERN MASTURBATION MENTALITY	
	

By Moshe “hung so lo“ Rabeynu, March 23, 2009
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CHILDREN MUST BE INCULCATED AS TO THE BENEFITS OF MASTURBATION IN THE ATTAINMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF A HEALTHY MIND AND A HEALTHY BODY! PENT UP SEXUAL FRUSTRATION IN CHILDREN HAS NEVER BEEN HONESTLY AND ADEQUATELY DISCUSSED AND DEALT WITH IN JEWISH DISCOURSE AND DOCTRINE. MODERN LIFESTYLES AFFORD INDIVIDUALS THE PRIVACY AND HYGIENIC FACILITIES NECESSARY TO MASTURBATE IN A PRIVATE, DIGNIFIED AND SANITARY MANNER. ONE CAN WELL UNDERSTAND THE IRE THAT WAS AROUSED BY MASTURBATING INDIVIDUALS FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO WHEN AN ENTIRE LARGE FAMILY LIVED TOGETHER IN A TENT IN AN ARID LOCATION. NOBODY WANTED TO HAVE A WAD OF FLYING JISSUM HIT HIM IN THE EYE OR LAND IN HIS HUMUS. WATER WAS SCARCE AND ONE HAD TO WALK , SOMETIMES LONG DISTANCES, TO THE WELL TO GET IT, IF IT WAS AVAILABLE AT ALL. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IT WAS A CHOICE OF WATER FOR DRINKING OR WATER FOR WASHING EJACULATE OFF OF ONE’S HANDS. THIS IS WHY THE EARLY SAGES WERE SO VOCIFEROUS IN THEIR CONDEMNATION OF MASTURBATION. WE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HORNY BUNCH AND, IF THERE WEREN&#039;T THESE SEVERE STRICTURES AGAINST MASTURBATION AT THAT TIME, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ERRANT CUMSTAINS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THE SMELL OF FRESHLY RELEASED JISSUM WOULD HAVE WAFTED FAR AND WIDE, EVEN WITHIN THE HALLOWED HALLWAYS OF THE SACRED TEMPLE ITSELF. TIMES HAVE CHANGED. IF PARENTS TODAY STRESS THE BENEFITS OF MASTURBATION TO THEIR CHILDREN, THEY WILL HELP LESSEN THE OCCURRENCE OF STDs, AND UNPLANNED PREGNANCIES. SCHOLARSHIP LEVELS WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY WITH THE RELEASE OF PENT UP ADOLESCENT EJACULATORY TENSION.. IF NECESSARY, PARENTS SHOULD SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN AS TO THE PROPER METHODOLOGY FOR THIS ACTIVITY AND FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE MASTURBATING REGULARLY AT AN OPTIMUM FREQUENCY. KEEPING A MASTURBATION DIARY COULD BE A VERY USEFUL TOOL IN MAINTAINING THE PROPER SCHEDULE. EVERY PARENT SHOULD ASK HIS CHILDREN ON A DAILY BASIS, &quot;DID YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND MASTURBATE TODAY?&quot; OH, OF COURSE, THE CHABADNIKS AND THE FRUMNIKS WILL YELL OUT, &quot;BUT RAMBAM SAID THIS, AND RASHI SAID THAT AND RABBI AKIVA SAID THIS, AND THAT, ABOUT THE EVILS OF MASTURBATION.&quot; PROBABLY ALL THREE OF THEM WERE MASTURBATING WHILE THEY WERE WRITING THESE STRICTURES, ANOTHER CASE OF &quot;DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO&quot;. WE MUST NOT CONTINUE TO LET OTHERS DO OUR THINKING FOR US UNDER THE GUISE OF RELIGIOUS EXPERTISE. SHALOM AND ZEI GEZUNT!</description>
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<p>By Moshe “hung so lo“ Rabeynu, March 23, 2009<br />
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<p>CHILDREN MUST BE INCULCATED AS TO THE BENEFITS OF MASTURBATION IN THE ATTAINMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF A HEALTHY MIND AND A HEALTHY BODY! PENT UP SEXUAL FRUSTRATION IN CHILDREN HAS NEVER BEEN HONESTLY AND ADEQUATELY DISCUSSED AND DEALT WITH IN JEWISH DISCOURSE AND DOCTRINE. MODERN LIFESTYLES AFFORD INDIVIDUALS THE PRIVACY AND HYGIENIC FACILITIES NECESSARY TO MASTURBATE IN A PRIVATE, DIGNIFIED AND SANITARY MANNER. ONE CAN WELL UNDERSTAND THE IRE THAT WAS AROUSED BY MASTURBATING INDIVIDUALS FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO WHEN AN ENTIRE LARGE FAMILY LIVED TOGETHER IN A TENT IN AN ARID LOCATION. NOBODY WANTED TO HAVE A WAD OF FLYING JISSUM HIT HIM IN THE EYE OR LAND IN HIS HUMUS. WATER WAS SCARCE AND ONE HAD TO WALK , SOMETIMES LONG DISTANCES, TO THE WELL TO GET IT, IF IT WAS AVAILABLE AT ALL. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IT WAS A CHOICE OF WATER FOR DRINKING OR WATER FOR WASHING EJACULATE OFF OF ONE’S HANDS. THIS IS WHY THE EARLY SAGES WERE SO VOCIFEROUS IN THEIR CONDEMNATION OF MASTURBATION. WE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HORNY BUNCH AND, IF THERE WEREN&#8217;T THESE SEVERE STRICTURES AGAINST MASTURBATION AT THAT TIME, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ERRANT CUMSTAINS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THE SMELL OF FRESHLY RELEASED JISSUM WOULD HAVE WAFTED FAR AND WIDE, EVEN WITHIN THE HALLOWED HALLWAYS OF THE SACRED TEMPLE ITSELF. TIMES HAVE CHANGED. IF PARENTS TODAY STRESS THE BENEFITS OF MASTURBATION TO THEIR CHILDREN, THEY WILL HELP LESSEN THE OCCURRENCE OF STDs, AND UNPLANNED PREGNANCIES. SCHOLARSHIP LEVELS WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY WITH THE RELEASE OF PENT UP ADOLESCENT EJACULATORY TENSION.. IF NECESSARY, PARENTS SHOULD SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN AS TO THE PROPER METHODOLOGY FOR THIS ACTIVITY AND FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE MASTURBATING REGULARLY AT AN OPTIMUM FREQUENCY. KEEPING A MASTURBATION DIARY COULD BE A VERY USEFUL TOOL IN MAINTAINING THE PROPER SCHEDULE. EVERY PARENT SHOULD ASK HIS CHILDREN ON A DAILY BASIS, &#8220;DID YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND MASTURBATE TODAY?&#8221; OH, OF COURSE, THE CHABADNIKS AND THE FRUMNIKS WILL YELL OUT, &#8220;BUT RAMBAM SAID THIS, AND RASHI SAID THAT AND RABBI AKIVA SAID THIS, AND THAT, ABOUT THE EVILS OF MASTURBATION.&#8221; PROBABLY ALL THREE OF THEM WERE MASTURBATING WHILE THEY WERE WRITING THESE STRICTURES, ANOTHER CASE OF &#8220;DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO&#8221;. WE MUST NOT CONTINUE TO LET OTHERS DO OUR THINKING FOR US UNDER THE GUISE OF RELIGIOUS EXPERTISE. SHALOM AND ZEI GEZUNT!</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/israeli-parliament-to-consider-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-49481</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness &quot;moshes&quot; what a sick, little jew you are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness &#8220;moshes&#8221; what a sick, little jew you are!</p>
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		<title>By: moshe rabeynu</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/israeli-parliament-to-consider-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-49478</link>
		<dc:creator>moshe rabeynu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DID YOU HEAR THE ONE ABOUT THE TWO GAY JUDGES WHO TRIED EACH OTHER?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DID YOU HEAR THE ONE ABOUT THE TWO GAY JUDGES WHO TRIED EACH OTHER?</p>
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		<title>By: MOSHE RABEYNU</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/israeli-parliament-to-consider-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-47358</link>
		<dc:creator>MOSHE RABEYNU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VERILY DO I SAY UNTO THEE:  THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIFE AND THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S ANUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VERILY DO I SAY UNTO THEE:  THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIFE AND THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S ANUS.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/israeli-parliament-to-consider-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-44409</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might add that I note this is about civil marriage, which does not exist in Israel.  The ultra-orthodox will howl like a stuck pig about this proposal, for it means the loss of power, which is really what it is all about.

  They ought to be tossed in some prison, and fed bacon, pork, and ham exclusively.  It would be fitting.  (remember Kosher laws)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might add that I note this is about civil marriage, which does not exist in Israel.  The ultra-orthodox will howl like a stuck pig about this proposal, for it means the loss of power, which is really what it is all about.</p>
<p>  They ought to be tossed in some prison, and fed bacon, pork, and ham exclusively.  It would be fitting.  (remember Kosher laws)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that gay marriages performed elsewhere are recognized in Israel.  Perhaps the canadians or Spanish would be willing to do gay marriages within their embassies, which in many countries, are considered under the laws of the embassy&#039;s country, not the hosting country.

And I&#039;ve told my wife I will never go visit Israel ( we are both Jewish, though I may well join the UU church tthis year since our Reform congregation will not ACTIVELY support gay marriage, even though the Rabbi says he will do the religious ceremony if asked.  I simply said to my wife that I&#039;d rather give the money to gay groups rather then spend it to go to israel, where the Haridim (ultra orthodox cro-magnons) seem to have forgotten whose ashes shared the smokestacks of hitler&#039;s ovens.

Religious conservatism, be it Islamic, Christian, Jewish, or other, is the real enemy in the war we need to wage on terror and ignorance in the name of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that gay marriages performed elsewhere are recognized in Israel.  Perhaps the canadians or Spanish would be willing to do gay marriages within their embassies, which in many countries, are considered under the laws of the embassy&#8217;s country, not the hosting country.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve told my wife I will never go visit Israel ( we are both Jewish, though I may well join the UU church tthis year since our Reform congregation will not ACTIVELY support gay marriage, even though the Rabbi says he will do the religious ceremony if asked.  I simply said to my wife that I&#8217;d rather give the money to gay groups rather then spend it to go to israel, where the Haridim (ultra orthodox cro-magnons) seem to have forgotten whose ashes shared the smokestacks of hitler&#8217;s ovens.</p>
<p>Religious conservatism, be it Islamic, Christian, Jewish, or other, is the real enemy in the war we need to wage on terror and ignorance in the name of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that we are about to have a right wing government, Horovitz&#039;s bill has as much chance of passing as a snowflake in a blowtorch convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that we are about to have a right wing government, Horovitz&#8217;s bill has as much chance of passing as a snowflake in a blowtorch convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/israeli-parliament-to-consider-gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-44112</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aviad:

I both agree and disagree with you.

I don&#039;t consider Jerusalem Pride to be a minor thing at all; if anything, it&#039;s proof that yes, LGBT people do exist, even in Jerusalem. (And, to a lesser extent, LGBT Jews do exist too.)

It reminds certain people (conservative people of given religions) that we exist and that we&#039;re equal to them and deserve the same respect as they expect for themselves.)

The fact that the organizers of Jerusalem Pride have been able to keep festivities guarded and lower-key (no floats; and the most naked person is wearing jeans and a t-shirt) than elsewhere in the world also says another thing--We can be respectful and are respectful of religious people; and, indeed, some of us ourselves are religious too.

I think that&#039;s a good and very important statement that we just can&#039;t make many other places in the world legally.


That said, I have no clue why it&#039;s included this article. Apparently some of the writers for 365gay think that if they&#039;re going to do some kind of article about Israel they should take random events in Israel&#039;s LGBT history to include as &#039;background information&#039;, whether or not they are actually related to the topic of the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aviad:</p>
<p>I both agree and disagree with you.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider Jerusalem Pride to be a minor thing at all; if anything, it&#8217;s proof that yes, LGBT people do exist, even in Jerusalem. (And, to a lesser extent, LGBT Jews do exist too.)</p>
<p>It reminds certain people (conservative people of given religions) that we exist and that we&#8217;re equal to them and deserve the same respect as they expect for themselves.)</p>
<p>The fact that the organizers of Jerusalem Pride have been able to keep festivities guarded and lower-key (no floats; and the most naked person is wearing jeans and a t-shirt) than elsewhere in the world also says another thing&#8211;We can be respectful and are respectful of religious people; and, indeed, some of us ourselves are religious too.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a good and very important statement that we just can&#8217;t make many other places in the world legally.</p>
<p>That said, I have no clue why it&#8217;s included this article. Apparently some of the writers for 365gay think that if they&#8217;re going to do some kind of article about Israel they should take random events in Israel&#8217;s LGBT history to include as &#8216;background information&#8217;, whether or not they are actually related to the topic of the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Aviad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aviad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan, I should make it clear that what I called &quot;minor&quot; was not the issue of gay marriage in Israel (I don&#039;t see that as minor), but the issue of the gay pride parade. It had already taken place for a few years peacefully, then a few politicians decided they could make some political fortune by opposing it and taking to the streets, and yet last year it took place again with hardly any unusual incident, and it seems like with Jerusalem&#039;s new, secular, mayor things will get simpler and calmer in the future. IMHO, the LGBT community in Israel has some other issues to take care of which are a lot more important and urgent. It&#039;s also important to remember that the court has consistently upheld our right to march in Jerusalem, and that everyone has a right to protest, even if we don&#039;t like what they are saying.

As for the marriage issue, Israel&#039;s situation is unique, and can hardly be compared to the States. As I said, there&#039;s no civil marriage at all, only religious marriage. That means that lots of straight couples cannot marry in Israel either, if they fail all sorts of ridiculous religious tests, but that&#039;s a general problem in Israeli society (and politics), not so much a &quot;gay problem&quot;. Those two issues are interrelated, and will have to be solved eventually together. In the meantime, same-sex couples enjoy pretty much all the benefits of married couples, including immigration rights. There&#039;s still a long way to go before full equality, but dwelling on the incidents at the J-lem gay pride gives a very lopsided picture of the situation in Israel. It seems a bit like 365gay.com just C&amp;P-ed whatever old articles about Israel they could find.

If you have a minute, read this, in Wikipedia: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan, I should make it clear that what I called &#8220;minor&#8221; was not the issue of gay marriage in Israel (I don&#8217;t see that as minor), but the issue of the gay pride parade. It had already taken place for a few years peacefully, then a few politicians decided they could make some political fortune by opposing it and taking to the streets, and yet last year it took place again with hardly any unusual incident, and it seems like with Jerusalem&#8217;s new, secular, mayor things will get simpler and calmer in the future. IMHO, the LGBT community in Israel has some other issues to take care of which are a lot more important and urgent. It&#8217;s also important to remember that the court has consistently upheld our right to march in Jerusalem, and that everyone has a right to protest, even if we don&#8217;t like what they are saying.</p>
<p>As for the marriage issue, Israel&#8217;s situation is unique, and can hardly be compared to the States. As I said, there&#8217;s no civil marriage at all, only religious marriage. That means that lots of straight couples cannot marry in Israel either, if they fail all sorts of ridiculous religious tests, but that&#8217;s a general problem in Israeli society (and politics), not so much a &#8220;gay problem&#8221;. Those two issues are interrelated, and will have to be solved eventually together. In the meantime, same-sex couples enjoy pretty much all the benefits of married couples, including immigration rights. There&#8217;s still a long way to go before full equality, but dwelling on the incidents at the J-lem gay pride gives a very lopsided picture of the situation in Israel. It seems a bit like 365gay.com just C&amp;P-ed whatever old articles about Israel they could find.</p>
<p>If you have a minute, read this, in Wikipedia: </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bud Burgoon-Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Burgoon-Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take another view of why Jerusalem Gay Pride shouldn&#039;t be called &quot;minor&quot; ... 

The ONLY thing that Orthodox Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Jerusalem could agree on after 2000+ years(600 years less for the Muslims) was that they hated gays, and under NO circumstances would they allow a peaceful Gay Pride celebration of ANY KIND to &quot;besmirch&quot; the &quot;Holy City.&quot;

THAT had and continues to have WORLDWIDE repercussions. 

Until WE GLBTQAI people can celebrate OUR faith AND our identities FREELY and without FEAR in Jerusalem, we will never be free of the bondage and error of institutional religion, be it Orthodox Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.

&quot;NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM!&quot; is the cry that ends the Passover celebration. May we make it ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take another view of why Jerusalem Gay Pride shouldn&#8217;t be called &#8220;minor&#8221; &#8230; </p>
<p>The ONLY thing that Orthodox Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Jerusalem could agree on after 2000+ years(600 years less for the Muslims) was that they hated gays, and under NO circumstances would they allow a peaceful Gay Pride celebration of ANY KIND to &#8220;besmirch&#8221; the &#8220;Holy City.&#8221;</p>
<p>THAT had and continues to have WORLDWIDE repercussions. </p>
<p>Until WE GLBTQAI people can celebrate OUR faith AND our identities FREELY and without FEAR in Jerusalem, we will never be free of the bondage and error of institutional religion, be it Orthodox Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.</p>
<p>&#8220;NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM!&#8221; is the cry that ends the Passover celebration. May we make it ours.</p>
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