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	<title>Comments on: Irish judges: Gay sperm donor should see his son</title>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOpefully the Govt will pass the civil unions bill.

Dealing another blow to the house of Pedophilia and Brutality in Rome.

The Catholic church has just been exposed in Ireland as an abuser of children just as it was in the USA.  Why did the church keep this a secret and let the criminals keep their jobs, simply moving them to a new location so as to continue their vile crimes?  Because the money the priests brought in was more important then the safety of the children.  Because the rot evidently reaches all the way to the top.

And because if the truth came out, the church would be forced to excommunicate itself.

We are still waiting for the church of Adolph hitler and the hatred of the Jews which hitler utilized to get elected and give the world 50 million deaths to implode.  And become a story of almost total corruption in the name of God, in our history books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOpefully the Govt will pass the civil unions bill.</p>
<p>Dealing another blow to the house of Pedophilia and Brutality in Rome.</p>
<p>The Catholic church has just been exposed in Ireland as an abuser of children just as it was in the USA.  Why did the church keep this a secret and let the criminals keep their jobs, simply moving them to a new location so as to continue their vile crimes?  Because the money the priests brought in was more important then the safety of the children.  Because the rot evidently reaches all the way to the top.</p>
<p>And because if the truth came out, the church would be forced to excommunicate itself.</p>
<p>We are still waiting for the church of Adolph hitler and the hatred of the Jews which hitler utilized to get elected and give the world 50 million deaths to implode.  And become a story of almost total corruption in the name of God, in our history books.</p>
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		<title>By: MavsFan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/irish-judges-gay-sperm-donor-should-see-his-son/comment-page-1/#comment-79232</link>
		<dc:creator>MavsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HaveANiceDay said: &quot;If he wanted to be a father, he should have never agreed to be a &#039;sperm Donor&#039;&quot;. 

For this case, I could not agree more. There is a huge difference between being a &quot;father&quot; to a child and simply being the biological father. Clearly there is a great degree of animosity between this lesbian couple and the sperm donor, and I would have to wonder if this child even knows the sperm donor as his father. If he doesn&#039;t know him to be his father, or if the man has not served in a fatherly positon towards this child up to this point in the child&#039;s life, then the courts could actually be creating a very traumatic environment for the child.

Although it&#039;s difficult to pass judgement in this case as we do not know EXACTLY what the arrangement between the couple and the donor were, nor do we know what took place to cause the rift between them. Perhaps the sperm donor was trying to overstep the bounds of their agreement, but again we don&#039;t know for sure. 

I hope that, for the child&#039;s sake, the adults in this case are able to work things out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HaveANiceDay said: &#8220;If he wanted to be a father, he should have never agreed to be a &#8216;sperm Donor&#8217;&#8221;. </p>
<p>For this case, I could not agree more. There is a huge difference between being a &#8220;father&#8221; to a child and simply being the biological father. Clearly there is a great degree of animosity between this lesbian couple and the sperm donor, and I would have to wonder if this child even knows the sperm donor as his father. If he doesn&#8217;t know him to be his father, or if the man has not served in a fatherly positon towards this child up to this point in the child&#8217;s life, then the courts could actually be creating a very traumatic environment for the child.</p>
<p>Although it&#8217;s difficult to pass judgement in this case as we do not know EXACTLY what the arrangement between the couple and the donor were, nor do we know what took place to cause the rift between them. Perhaps the sperm donor was trying to overstep the bounds of their agreement, but again we don&#8217;t know for sure. </p>
<p>I hope that, for the child&#8217;s sake, the adults in this case are able to work things out.</p>
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		<title>By: mike ashlock</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/irish-judges-gay-sperm-donor-should-see-his-son/comment-page-1/#comment-79210</link>
		<dc:creator>mike ashlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The father (sperm donor) may not have donated without expectation of participation in the child&#039;s life.  We don&#039;t know the character of any of the involved adults.  I don&#039;t like seeing the donor have parent rights just as a donor but if he was led to believe he would have access to the kid it seems that the mothers reneging on the agreement wronged him.

Even if the lesbian couple had been recognized legally as a couple shouldn&#039;t negate the agreement that seems to have been made between them and their donor.  But he shouldn&#039;t be allowed to prevent them from moving to another country.  If he is given access then perhaps it&#039;s his problem to follow them to another country.  It&#039;s a difficult situation and like one of the other bloggers said these contingencies ought to be a part of a donor contract that stipulates access and limits. 

This is like a divorce where the parents are fighting over the kid after their former friendship has dissolved.  There have been custody/visitation quarrels involving lesbian couples that have split after parenting with the biological mom claiming total custody wanting to prevent her former partner from visitation rights.  Great arguments for marriage equality and adoption laws that spell out rights and clarify complications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The father (sperm donor) may not have donated without expectation of participation in the child&#8217;s life.  We don&#8217;t know the character of any of the involved adults.  I don&#8217;t like seeing the donor have parent rights just as a donor but if he was led to believe he would have access to the kid it seems that the mothers reneging on the agreement wronged him.</p>
<p>Even if the lesbian couple had been recognized legally as a couple shouldn&#8217;t negate the agreement that seems to have been made between them and their donor.  But he shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to prevent them from moving to another country.  If he is given access then perhaps it&#8217;s his problem to follow them to another country.  It&#8217;s a difficult situation and like one of the other bloggers said these contingencies ought to be a part of a donor contract that stipulates access and limits. </p>
<p>This is like a divorce where the parents are fighting over the kid after their former friendship has dissolved.  There have been custody/visitation quarrels involving lesbian couples that have split after parenting with the biological mom claiming total custody wanting to prevent her former partner from visitation rights.  Great arguments for marriage equality and adoption laws that spell out rights and clarify complications.</p>
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		<title>By: jessieka</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessieka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saying you are willing to be a donor is alot diffrent then seeing a child you helped createlive &amp; breath.Just like the birth mother who agreas to adopt but after birth find they cant let go of the child.Do you villianize that woman as you do this &quot;SPERM DONOR&quot;????? Honestly human beings are flawed.So rather you agrea or disagea with the courts ruling there are 4 involved &amp; I wish them all balance &amp; harmony!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saying you are willing to be a donor is alot diffrent then seeing a child you helped createlive &amp; breath.Just like the birth mother who agreas to adopt but after birth find they cant let go of the child.Do you villianize that woman as you do this &#8220;SPERM DONOR&#8221;????? Honestly human beings are flawed.So rather you agrea or disagea with the courts ruling there are 4 involved &amp; I wish them all balance &amp; harmony!</p>
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		<title>By: Lenworth Poyser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenworth Poyser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, I&#039;m kinda torn on this one. Im not a parent, but I think if they decided to stay friends and have the father in the childs life, and thats what he expected when they went through with the procedures, thats what they should stick to. But then again, the mothers of this child might be trying to keep a bad influence away from there child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, I&#8217;m kinda torn on this one. Im not a parent, but I think if they decided to stay friends and have the father in the childs life, and thats what he expected when they went through with the procedures, thats what they should stick to. But then again, the mothers of this child might be trying to keep a bad influence away from there child.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacquemar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacquemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all parties should have been a little more explicit about how they were going to work this out.  Had they made a legal contract with each other, this wouldn&#039;t have happened.  Having said that, I agree with North of Sixty that this was the right decision for all of the wrong reasons.  Obviously the man wasn&#039;t just a sperm donor, or the lesbian couple wouldn&#039;t have invited him to stay in their lives and life of their child as an uncle.  I also believe, that if this man wants to be recognized as the father, he should support the kid.  What is antiquated about this ruling is the courts&#039; refusal to recognize the lesbians&#039; family.  That is bigoted in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all parties should have been a little more explicit about how they were going to work this out.  Had they made a legal contract with each other, this wouldn&#8217;t have happened.  Having said that, I agree with North of Sixty that this was the right decision for all of the wrong reasons.  Obviously the man wasn&#8217;t just a sperm donor, or the lesbian couple wouldn&#8217;t have invited him to stay in their lives and life of their child as an uncle.  I also believe, that if this man wants to be recognized as the father, he should support the kid.  What is antiquated about this ruling is the courts&#8217; refusal to recognize the lesbians&#8217; family.  That is bigoted in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ba choir don athair a mhac a fheiceail agus chun tacaiocht a thabhairt, go cinnte.

Translation: The father should see his son and give support, ceertainly.

Is ball i san Aontas Eorpach agus sa Pharlaimint Eorpach ata Eire. Roghnaigh a Eire, na dlithe an Aontais Eorpaich a leanuint. Roghnaigh cearta sibhialta eagsula a choimead, freisin. 
Translation:
Eire is a member of the European Union and of the European Parliamint (where Gaeilge (Irish language) is one of many national languages in use there).
Choose Eire, to follow the laws of the European Union. Choose also to observe various civil rights. (den daoine aeracha, mar shampla, of gay people for example)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ba choir don athair a mhac a fheiceail agus chun tacaiocht a thabhairt, go cinnte.</p>
<p>Translation: The father should see his son and give support, ceertainly.</p>
<p>Is ball i san Aontas Eorpach agus sa Pharlaimint Eorpach ata Eire. Roghnaigh a Eire, na dlithe an Aontais Eorpaich a leanuint. Roghnaigh cearta sibhialta eagsula a choimead, freisin.<br />
Translation:<br />
Eire is a member of the European Union and of the European Parliamint (where Gaeilge (Irish language) is one of many national languages in use there).<br />
Choose Eire, to follow the laws of the European Union. Choose also to observe various civil rights. (den daoine aeracha, mar shampla, of gay people for example)</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher A Emery</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/irish-judges-gay-sperm-donor-should-see-his-son/comment-page-1/#comment-79124</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher A Emery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i totally agree with 00HaveAniceDay00.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree with 00HaveAniceDay00.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Pesavento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Pesavento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irish Supreme Court ruled within the bounds of current Irish law. Sadly, it is a very antiquated law. I don&#039;t understand what use it is to be part of the EU when enlightened laws put into place by the EU can be trumped by backwoods local law? A bit of advice to other lesbian families thinking of artificial insemination - go anonymous!!!
The donor should now be sued for child support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irish Supreme Court ruled within the bounds of current Irish law. Sadly, it is a very antiquated law. I don&#8217;t understand what use it is to be part of the EU when enlightened laws put into place by the EU can be trumped by backwoods local law? A bit of advice to other lesbian families thinking of artificial insemination &#8211; go anonymous!!!<br />
The donor should now be sued for child support!</p>
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		<title>By: North of Sixty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North of Sixty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely the right ruling, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.  They all should be recognized and the lesbian couple should have never denied access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely the right ruling, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.  They all should be recognized and the lesbian couple should have never denied access.</p>
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