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		<title>By: Bud Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Evans</dc:creator>
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		<description>State Constitutional Amendment can be overturned by the US Supreme Court. But I am not too optimistic on this one considering the makeup of the current court.

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Brandon Said: April 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm 
But can an Amendment be declared UnConstutitional (i.e. the US Constitution)? I mean to opponents really want a USSCOTUS Ruling on this matter??

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Yes, Brandon, State Constitutional Amendments can be overturned by the US Supreme Court. For example:  Amendment 2 in Colorado which outlawed all state, county and local goverments from enacting civil rights legislation for GLBT citizens. It was overruled in the Romer versus Evans decision.

In fact, the State Supreme Court first held it unconstitutional and then the US Supreme Court affirmed that decision after the state court decision was appealed by the state of Colorado.

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History

On November 3, 1992, Colorado voters, with a vote of 53.4 percent, enacted &quot;Amendment 2&quot;, which read:

Neither the state of Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class of persons to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of discrimination. This Section of the Constitution shall be in all respects self-executing. 
The amendment was drafted and promoted by the organization Colorado for Family Values, and it would have effectively prevented any laws banning discrimination against gays, and thereby nullified gay rights laws that already existed in Aspen, Denver, and Boulder.

An immediate legal challenge was launched by gay rights groups. On January 15, 1993 the groups were granted a temporary injunction from 2nd District Court Judge Jeffrey Bayless preventing Amendment 2 becoming part of the state constitution, on the grounds of its possible unconstitutionality and possible irreparable harm that would be caused by its implementation. The court scheduled a trial to decide the case.

Before the trial could begin, the state appealed to the Colorado Supreme Court. On July 19, 1993, that court upheld the original injunction, on the grounds that Amendment 2 violated the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, insofar as Amendment 2 denied gays equal rights to normal political processes. Chief Justice Luis Rovera wrote:

&quot;Were Amendment 2 in force [...] the sole political avenue by which this class could seek such protection [against discrimination] would be through the constitutional amendment process. &quot;

The state Supreme Court demanded that the legislation face &quot;strict scrutiny&quot; and prove that it advanced a &quot;compelling state interest&quot;, and returned the case to the District Court for trial. Judge Bayless found that the amendment failed the test, and ruled it unconstitutional on December 14, 1993.

Colorado appealed to the State Supreme Court, which affirmed the District Court&#039;s decision on October 11, 1994, and appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

For the rest of the article, go to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer_v._Evans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State Constitutional Amendment can be overturned by the US Supreme Court. But I am not too optimistic on this one considering the makeup of the current court.</p>
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<p>Brandon Said: April 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm<br />
But can an Amendment be declared UnConstutitional (i.e. the US Constitution)? I mean to opponents really want a USSCOTUS Ruling on this matter??</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Yes, Brandon, State Constitutional Amendments can be overturned by the US Supreme Court. For example:  Amendment 2 in Colorado which outlawed all state, county and local goverments from enacting civil rights legislation for GLBT citizens. It was overruled in the Romer versus Evans decision.</p>
<p>In fact, the State Supreme Court first held it unconstitutional and then the US Supreme Court affirmed that decision after the state court decision was appealed by the state of Colorado.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;From Wikipedia&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>History</p>
<p>On November 3, 1992, Colorado voters, with a vote of 53.4 percent, enacted &#8220;Amendment 2&#8243;, which read:</p>
<p>Neither the state of Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class of persons to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of discrimination. This Section of the Constitution shall be in all respects self-executing.<br />
The amendment was drafted and promoted by the organization Colorado for Family Values, and it would have effectively prevented any laws banning discrimination against gays, and thereby nullified gay rights laws that already existed in Aspen, Denver, and Boulder.</p>
<p>An immediate legal challenge was launched by gay rights groups. On January 15, 1993 the groups were granted a temporary injunction from 2nd District Court Judge Jeffrey Bayless preventing Amendment 2 becoming part of the state constitution, on the grounds of its possible unconstitutionality and possible irreparable harm that would be caused by its implementation. The court scheduled a trial to decide the case.</p>
<p>Before the trial could begin, the state appealed to the Colorado Supreme Court. On July 19, 1993, that court upheld the original injunction, on the grounds that Amendment 2 violated the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, insofar as Amendment 2 denied gays equal rights to normal political processes. Chief Justice Luis Rovera wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Were Amendment 2 in force [...] the sole political avenue by which this class could seek such protection [against discrimination] would be through the constitutional amendment process. &#8221;</p>
<p>The state Supreme Court demanded that the legislation face &#8220;strict scrutiny&#8221; and prove that it advanced a &#8220;compelling state interest&#8221;, and returned the case to the District Court for trial. Judge Bayless found that the amendment failed the test, and ruled it unconstitutional on December 14, 1993.</p>
<p>Colorado appealed to the State Supreme Court, which affirmed the District Court&#8217;s decision on October 11, 1994, and appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.</p>
<p>For the rest of the article, go to:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer_v._Evans" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer_v._Evans</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paulie Sabol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulie Sabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like some of the &quot;Luntz-like&quot; 
analysis by Rodney.  It&#039;s very
practical.  

However, I think the softer term
to advance is &quot;Same-Sex Marriage&quot;
and here&#039;s why.

The &quot;slippery slope&quot; argument all
be it very weak, is &quot;If gays can
marry than what&#039;s next?&quot;

Well, &quot;Marriage Equality&quot; seems to
speak to a broad marriage movement
without evoking a name that sounds
a whole lot like the movement to

...oh what&#039;s the nonsense they say?

Marry a boy and his dog.
Marry Three men and a baby.
Marry 2 and a half men
Marry Three&#039;s Company
Marry 1001 Arabian (K)nights

Etc.

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like some of the &#8220;Luntz-like&#8221;<br />
analysis by Rodney.  It&#8217;s very<br />
practical.  </p>
<p>However, I think the softer term<br />
to advance is &#8220;Same-Sex Marriage&#8221;<br />
and here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>The &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; argument all<br />
be it very weak, is &#8220;If gays can<br />
marry than what&#8217;s next?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, &#8220;Marriage Equality&#8221; seems to<br />
speak to a broad marriage movement<br />
without evoking a name that sounds<br />
a whole lot like the movement to</p>
<p>&#8230;oh what&#8217;s the nonsense they say?</p>
<p>Marry a boy and his dog.<br />
Marry Three men and a baby.<br />
Marry 2 and a half men<br />
Marry Three&#8217;s Company<br />
Marry 1001 Arabian (K)nights</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p>Warmly,</p>
<p>Paulie Sabol</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On to putting another ballot initiative before Californians one to end this amendment should the CA Supreme Court fail to end this deplorable travesty and injustice against a minority.
The system needs to be reformed. As many others have said before, it is very wrong put the civil rights of a minority up for a vote.

But the flawed CA system being what it is whereas a state constitution can be subject to the whims of just any group able to collect enough signatures to shove amendments in front of a majority of voters the CA Supremes are unlikely to undo the dirty deeds of the ballot box.

The image of California has been tarnished in my mind and I do not care to travel there until this madness is undone. Meanwhile, I am seeing Iowa before too long, a state that I have never been to before.

Seeing the kind of argument that Justice Kennard raised in the article above, things probably do not bode well 
for giving this amendment the burial it deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On to putting another ballot initiative before Californians one to end this amendment should the CA Supreme Court fail to end this deplorable travesty and injustice against a minority.<br />
The system needs to be reformed. As many others have said before, it is very wrong put the civil rights of a minority up for a vote.</p>
<p>But the flawed CA system being what it is whereas a state constitution can be subject to the whims of just any group able to collect enough signatures to shove amendments in front of a majority of voters the CA Supremes are unlikely to undo the dirty deeds of the ballot box.</p>
<p>The image of California has been tarnished in my mind and I do not care to travel there until this madness is undone. Meanwhile, I am seeing Iowa before too long, a state that I have never been to before.</p>
<p>Seeing the kind of argument that Justice Kennard raised in the article above, things probably do not bode well<br />
for giving this amendment the burial it deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffanddane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffanddane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did have enough to recall and the right wing did threaten already so why don&#039;t we</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did have enough to recall and the right wing did threaten already so why don&#8217;t we</p>
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		<title>By: jeffanddane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffanddane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know we have enough to recall the justices if they don&#039;t over turn 8.  I am certain that we have over the amount of voters and signatures to
They already threaten to recall, why cant we</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know we have enough to recall the justices if they don&#8217;t over turn 8.  I am certain that we have over the amount of voters and signatures to<br />
They already threaten to recall, why cant we</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
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		<description>Well, for one thing we are not Republican Controlled anymore.  So can we stop beating prop 8 over the gays head anytime now.They are hurting enough as it is.
 While Britney Spears is getting divorce in just one day after she got married, and other stopped people doing stuff, and the institution of marriage is so holly like that.  
  There is a grope of people in America that is trying to get in to marriage and do something right for what it was intended for. 
 Like Peter Griffen said &quot;If the gays want to suffer like the st8 people do, let them&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for one thing we are not Republican Controlled anymore.  So can we stop beating prop 8 over the gays head anytime now.They are hurting enough as it is.<br />
 While Britney Spears is getting divorce in just one day after she got married, and other stopped people doing stuff, and the institution of marriage is so holly like that.<br />
  There is a grope of people in America that is trying to get in to marriage and do something right for what it was intended for.<br />
 Like Peter Griffen said &#8220;If the gays want to suffer like the st8 people do, let them&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey everybody, seems like we have to be patient (I know, I hate it too!) and wait to see how the Court rules. It&#039;s not going to be easy either way: if the court passes we must nevertheless campaign against the inevitable recall. If the court (remembering Rose Bird and her infamous recall, which worked btw) lets Prop 8 stand, again we have our work to do. It&#039;s not fair &amp; I&#039;m by inclination lazy, but I&#039;m gearing up for more of the same, either way this decision falls. I miss living in France!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everybody, seems like we have to be patient (I know, I hate it too!) and wait to see how the Court rules. It&#8217;s not going to be easy either way: if the court passes we must nevertheless campaign against the inevitable recall. If the court (remembering Rose Bird and her infamous recall, which worked btw) lets Prop 8 stand, again we have our work to do. It&#8217;s not fair &amp; I&#8217;m by inclination lazy, but I&#8217;m gearing up for more of the same, either way this decision falls. I miss living in France!</p>
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		<title>By: Wimsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it sad that California, which is usually on the leading edge of social progress and civil rights, is on the wrong side of history, and will have to say &quot;Me, Too!&quot; to states like Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and... (wait for it) =... Iowa, of all places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it sad that California, which is usually on the leading edge of social progress and civil rights, is on the wrong side of history, and will have to say &#8220;Me, Too!&#8221; to states like Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and&#8230; (wait for it) =&#8230; Iowa, of all places.</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boycott California&#039;s goods, products and services!  Bet the breeder majority in Cali will be a hummin&#039; a mighty different tune when there precious &quot;7th&quot; largest economy status in the world shrinks to oh, about 34!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boycott California&#8217;s goods, products and services!  Bet the breeder majority in Cali will be a hummin&#8217; a mighty different tune when there precious &#8220;7th&#8221; largest economy status in the world shrinks to oh, about 34!</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
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		<description>But can an Amendment be declared UnConstutitional (i.e. the US Constitution)? I mean to opponents really want a USSCOTUS Ruling on this matter??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But can an Amendment be declared UnConstutitional (i.e. the US Constitution)? I mean to opponents really want a USSCOTUS Ruling on this matter??</p>
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