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	<title>Comments on: Indonesia&#8217;s Aceh to allow public lashings for gays</title>
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		<title>By: Drewski</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/indonesias-aceh-to-allow-public-lashings-for-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-73276</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ng13--Moderate Muslims?  I work with several.  Psychiatrists, mostly from Bangladesh but some from India too.  There were those in my high school.  There are those who live in my city who are busy with work and families, as opposed to blowing up synagogues and sending money to al-Qaeda.  That said, please give me your explanation for people like Strom Thurmond, Tim McVeigh, Jesse Helms, Oliver North, Glen Beck and other representatives of Christian America.  

Should I mention that the country with the most striking separation of secular and religious power is Turkey, which is at least 97% Muslim?  Should I mention that Iranians are inclined to not trust the US and the UK because of a century of intervention in their domestic politics--how would you feel if Iranian cash threw a US election?  Angry?  Yeah, well, so do they.  Do you have the wits to identify the many major schisms in Christianity, versus the single primary split in Islam (which wouldn&#039;t even exist in Christianity, because the Council of Nicea imposed a greater uniformity on early Christianity than any force at a comparable point in Islamic history)?  Can you even identify how Christianity forced itself out as a dominant political force in France, Quebec, and Spain?  Would you be surprised to know that Palestinians, Iranians and Iraqis as respective groups DO NOT have long histories of extreme religiosity, to the point that their current identification with a militant Islam is largely the manipulated product of disastrous American involvement?  We created a lot of the mess; what we didn&#039;t create ourselves, we very often enabled.  

In the UK, Islam is beginning to evolve as another tradition, but a very homegrown tradition rooted in the culture and not the bogeyman some &quot;christian&quot; wingnut wants to paint it as.  Same is true in Canada.

I&#039;m atheist.  My primary concern about religion--ANY religion--is that it stays away from my or anybody else&#039;s genitals or brain.  I have as many issues with ignorant Christians (I&#039;ll let the example of Northern Ireland stand here) as I do with ignorant Muslims (too many examples to list), ignorant Shintos (Japan is incredibly racist), ignorant Hindus (BJP--thanks for embedding idiocy in Indian politics), and ignorant Jews (I&#039;ll be happy when the wingnut &quot;settlers&quot; give up their US and Canadian passports and STAND ON THEIR OWN).  That&#039;s just a start.  Nobody gets a pass if they have dirty hands, and we all do.  You&#039;re not offering anything as a constructive solution, and a constructive solution at this point involves religion being subordinated to a civil state.  Is that what you want, or just some boorish and ignorant finger-pointing?  I don&#039;t need to impose atheism on believers--if my influence leads them away from religion, that&#039;s what they were ready for anyway, but it&#039;s not for me to make that choice for somebody else.  Not if I stand by my espoused beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ng13&#8211;Moderate Muslims?  I work with several.  Psychiatrists, mostly from Bangladesh but some from India too.  There were those in my high school.  There are those who live in my city who are busy with work and families, as opposed to blowing up synagogues and sending money to al-Qaeda.  That said, please give me your explanation for people like Strom Thurmond, Tim McVeigh, Jesse Helms, Oliver North, Glen Beck and other representatives of Christian America.  </p>
<p>Should I mention that the country with the most striking separation of secular and religious power is Turkey, which is at least 97% Muslim?  Should I mention that Iranians are inclined to not trust the US and the UK because of a century of intervention in their domestic politics&#8211;how would you feel if Iranian cash threw a US election?  Angry?  Yeah, well, so do they.  Do you have the wits to identify the many major schisms in Christianity, versus the single primary split in Islam (which wouldn&#8217;t even exist in Christianity, because the Council of Nicea imposed a greater uniformity on early Christianity than any force at a comparable point in Islamic history)?  Can you even identify how Christianity forced itself out as a dominant political force in France, Quebec, and Spain?  Would you be surprised to know that Palestinians, Iranians and Iraqis as respective groups DO NOT have long histories of extreme religiosity, to the point that their current identification with a militant Islam is largely the manipulated product of disastrous American involvement?  We created a lot of the mess; what we didn&#8217;t create ourselves, we very often enabled.  </p>
<p>In the UK, Islam is beginning to evolve as another tradition, but a very homegrown tradition rooted in the culture and not the bogeyman some &#8220;christian&#8221; wingnut wants to paint it as.  Same is true in Canada.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m atheist.  My primary concern about religion&#8211;ANY religion&#8211;is that it stays away from my or anybody else&#8217;s genitals or brain.  I have as many issues with ignorant Christians (I&#8217;ll let the example of Northern Ireland stand here) as I do with ignorant Muslims (too many examples to list), ignorant Shintos (Japan is incredibly racist), ignorant Hindus (BJP&#8211;thanks for embedding idiocy in Indian politics), and ignorant Jews (I&#8217;ll be happy when the wingnut &#8220;settlers&#8221; give up their US and Canadian passports and STAND ON THEIR OWN).  That&#8217;s just a start.  Nobody gets a pass if they have dirty hands, and we all do.  You&#8217;re not offering anything as a constructive solution, and a constructive solution at this point involves religion being subordinated to a civil state.  Is that what you want, or just some boorish and ignorant finger-pointing?  I don&#8217;t need to impose atheism on believers&#8211;if my influence leads them away from religion, that&#8217;s what they were ready for anyway, but it&#8217;s not for me to make that choice for somebody else.  Not if I stand by my espoused beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: michaelandfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelandfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All kinds of crazy..... Funny how they have no problem using all the modern technological advances mankind has created over the years but insist that behavior stays in the stone ages. If they want to live in an age depicted in the oldest religious texts they should live their whole lives like that. I&#039;m pretty sure Mohammad never drover a car, used a stove or refrigerator, telephone, come on you pure of heart and mind, put your creature comforts where your religion is...... But of course, THAT would be crazy.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All kinds of crazy&#8230;.. Funny how they have no problem using all the modern technological advances mankind has created over the years but insist that behavior stays in the stone ages. If they want to live in an age depicted in the oldest religious texts they should live their whole lives like that. I&#8217;m pretty sure Mohammad never drover a car, used a stove or refrigerator, telephone, come on you pure of heart and mind, put your creature comforts where your religion is&#8230;&#8230; But of course, THAT would be crazy&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cutting aid will only cause terrible suffering to all the people regardless of whether they support this appalling interpretation of religious law. Children and women get hit hardest by poverty: precisely the people who are least responsible for these savage penalties. And remember that at least 6% of the people in Aceh, as everywhere else ARE homosexual too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cutting aid will only cause terrible suffering to all the people regardless of whether they support this appalling interpretation of religious law. Children and women get hit hardest by poverty: precisely the people who are least responsible for these savage penalties. And remember that at least 6% of the people in Aceh, as everywhere else ARE homosexual too.</p>
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		<title>By: ng13</title>
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		<dc:creator>ng13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tells you so much about &quot;moderate&quot; muslims ( or religionists for that matter.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tells you so much about &#8220;moderate&#8221; muslims ( or religionists for that matter.)</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American pop culture has people worldwide aping us Americans listening to ugly music and wearing ugly clothes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American pop culture has people worldwide aping us Americans listening to ugly music and wearing ugly clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: Drewski</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/indonesias-aceh-to-allow-public-lashings-for-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-73123</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t help that we just spent eight years with an administration which demonized Islam and muslims at every turn, but this is yet another example of the US and other Western countries failing to reshape Islam.  There isn&#039;t much room for true religious scholarship in most Muslim-majority countries.  There&#039;s never been an equivalent of the Reformation.  We in the US, especially, have allowed illiterate mountain tribesmen to redefine Islam in their image.  We conveniently forget that it was those Muslims who preserved classical texts and then shared our Greco-Roman heritage with us...while we of European descent still called lice &quot;pearls of God.&quot;  American pop culture goes worldwide.  American-based religious activity has had a global impact (half of South Korea is Christian, due in no small part to US missionaries; Protestants now account for as much as a quarter of the population in Central America, again because of US missionaries).  Christianity was imported to Europe.  Why can&#039;t we in North America and Europe reshape Islam in an image that fits our cultures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t help that we just spent eight years with an administration which demonized Islam and muslims at every turn, but this is yet another example of the US and other Western countries failing to reshape Islam.  There isn&#8217;t much room for true religious scholarship in most Muslim-majority countries.  There&#8217;s never been an equivalent of the Reformation.  We in the US, especially, have allowed illiterate mountain tribesmen to redefine Islam in their image.  We conveniently forget that it was those Muslims who preserved classical texts and then shared our Greco-Roman heritage with us&#8230;while we of European descent still called lice &#8220;pearls of God.&#8221;  American pop culture goes worldwide.  American-based religious activity has had a global impact (half of South Korea is Christian, due in no small part to US missionaries; Protestants now account for as much as a quarter of the population in Central America, again because of US missionaries).  Christianity was imported to Europe.  Why can&#8217;t we in North America and Europe reshape Islam in an image that fits our cultures?</p>
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		<title>By: sharpjwe</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharpjwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our aid money goes to finace these intolerant people .
stop all aid now and let their god treat them as they wish
gods and religions are man made 
to control and opress the minorities 
another bloody proof of the babary of Islam teachings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our aid money goes to finace these intolerant people .<br />
stop all aid now and let their god treat them as they wish<br />
gods and religions are man made<br />
to control and opress the minorities<br />
another bloody proof of the babary of Islam teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of many countries with whom we continue to carry on trade, tourism and cultural relations.  Do we ever learn?!  If we believe in freedom, democracy and human rights, we need to stop  having relationships with those countries and governments where human rights of women and LGBT people continue to be violated with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of many countries with whom we continue to carry on trade, tourism and cultural relations.  Do we ever learn?!  If we believe in freedom, democracy and human rights, we need to stop  having relationships with those countries and governments where human rights of women and LGBT people continue to be violated with impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: secrity</title>
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		<dc:creator>secrity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just ONE MORE example of religious homophobia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just ONE MORE example of religious homophobia.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Costa Rivera</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/indonesias-aceh-to-allow-public-lashings-for-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-73113</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Costa Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I just can&#039;t get these people... What bothers me the most is that people like that, do live among us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I just can&#8217;t get these people&#8230; What bothers me the most is that people like that, do live among us&#8230;</p>
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