Gay marriage fight, `kiss-ins’ smack Mormon image
08.17.2009 10:30am EDT
(Salt Lake City) The Mormon church’s vigorous, well-heeled support for Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California last year, has turned the Utah-based faith into a lightning rod for gay rights activism, including a nationwide “kiss-in” Saturday.
The event comes after gay couples here and in San Antonio and El Paso, Texas, were arrested, cited for trespassing or harassed by police for publicly kissing. In Utah, the July 9 trespassing incident occurred after a couple were observed by security guards on a downtown park-like plaza owned by the 13 million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.The court case was dismissed, but the kiss sparked a community backlash and criticism of the church.
“I don’t think that kiss would have turned out to be the kiss heard round the world if it were not for Proposition 8,” said Ash Johnsdottir, organizer of the Salt Lake City Kiss-In.
Atali Staffler, a Brigham Young University graduate student from Geneva, Switzerland, said she joined the 200 or so people who filled a downtown amphitheater for the event because she has watched her gay father and many gay friends struggle to find their place.
The 31-year-old, who was raised Mormon but is not active in the church, said the church shouldn’t be involved in Prop. 8.
“I encourage them to promote the values they believe in and to defend their religious principles in advertisements, but civil rights have nothing to do with religious principles,” she said.
Twenty-two people, many of them strangers to one another, gathered under the scorching sun on Washington’s National Mall to participate in the national smooch. They were gay and straight, couples and singles of all ages, with placards that read “Equal Opportunity Kisser” and “A Kiss is a Not a Crime.”
“This is America. A kiss on the cheek is OK,” said Ian Thomas, 26, of Leesburg, Va., who organized the Washington Kiss-In. “It’s got to be OK. If not, we’re in serious trouble.”
About 50 people, mostly gay and lesbian couples, gathered at Piedmont Park in downtown Atlanta and kissed for about five minutes.
“You think that America is evolving into a gay-friendly nation,” said Randal Smith, 42, “but what happened in Texas and Utah show us it’s still a long way off.”
National organizers say Saturday’s broadly held gay rights demonstrations were not aimed specifically at the Mormon church. But observers say the church’s heavy-handed intervention into California politics will linger and has left the faith’s image tarnished.
“What I hear from my community and from straight progressive individuals is that they now see the church as a force for evil and as an enemy of fairness and equality,” said Kate Kendell, executive director of the San Francisco-based National Center for Lesbian Rights. Kendell grew up Mormon in Utah. “To have the church’s very deep and noble history telescoped down into this very nasty little image is as painful for me as for any faithful Mormon.”
Troy Williams, who is gay and grew up Mormon, said ending the tension between gays and the church requires mutual acceptance and understanding.
“For both sides to peaceably coexist, we’re all going to have to engage in some very deep soul searching,” said Williams, a Salt Lake City-area activist and host of a liberal radio talk show.
Church insiders say Prop. 8 has bred dissent among members and left families divided. Some members have quit or stopped attending services, while others have appealed to leadership to stay out of the same-sex marriage fight.
But church spokeswoman Kim Farah said Friday that Mormon support for traditional marriage has nothing to do with public relations.
“It’s too easy for those whose agenda is to change societal standards to claim there are great difficulties inside the Church because of its decision to support traditional marriage,” Kim Farah said. “In reality the Church has received enormous support for its defense of marriage.”
Mormonism teaches that homosexual sex is considered a sin, but gays are welcome in church and can maintain church callings and membership if they remain celibate.
The church has actively fought marriage equality legislation across the U.S. since the early 1990s and joined other faiths in asking Congress for a marriage amendment to the Constitution in 2006.
Last year at the urging of church leaders, Mormons donated tens of millions of dollars to the “Yes on 8″ campaign and were among the most vigorous volunteers. The institutional church gave nearly $190,000 to the campaign – contributions now being investigated by California’s Fair Political Practices Commission.
After the vote, many gay rights advocates turned their anger toward the church in protests and marches outside temples that singled out Mormons as the key culprits in restricting the rights of gay couples.
That constituted a setback for the faith, argued Jan Shipps, a professor of religious history and a Mormon expert from Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis.
Mormonism, Shipps said, has struggled with its image since its western New York founding in 1830 for a host of reasons, including polygamy.
Leading up to Salt Lake City’s 2002 Olympic Winter Games, the faith worked hard to craft a modern, mainstream image, touting its unique American history, culture and worldwide humanitarian work to thousands of reporters.
“This really undercut the Mormon image that had been so carefully nurtured during the Olympics,” Shipps said.
Church representatives don’t discuss public relations strategies or challenges publicly, but at a semiannual conference in April, church President Thomas S. Monson seemed to be clearly feeling a post-Prop. 8 sting.
In an era of “shifting moral footings,” Monson said, “those who attempt to safeguard those footings are often ridiculed, picketed and persecuted.”
That argument doesn’t wash for Linda Stay, whose ancestors were early Mormon converts. Stay said she was doubly transformed by Prop. 8. She and her husband, Steve, finally quit the church – along with 18 other family members and a few close friends – and became gay right activists.
The St. George woman’s family, which includes two gay children, will play a central role in a documentary film, “8: The Mormon Proposition” currently in production. Stay’s son, Tyler Barrick, married his boyfriend in San Francisco on June 17, 2008, the first day gay marriage was legal in California.
Miami-area filmmaker Reed Cowan said the Stays’ story is a painful representative of many Latter-day Saint families, including his own, that needed to be told.
“It used to be that I could defend my church and my heritage, but what they did here, they crossed the line and they made it very hard to defend their actions,” said Cowan, whose family has cut him off since he began work on the film.
With the gay rights fight far from over, some believe Prop. 8 could continue to frustrate the church’s image for years to come, much like polygamy – the church’s own one-time alternative form of marriage – and a policy on keeping black men out of the priesthood, issues that have lingered years after the practices were abandoned.
“The church is certainly going to survive and thrive, there’s no question about that,” said the National Center for Lesbian Rights’ Kendell, who is raising three kids in California with her partner of 16 years. “The issue is, what will be its image in the average American mindset.”
To see the church characterized, because of its own actions, as one in a group of anti-gay religions and as a religion that forces members to choose faith over family is “a tragedy of generational proportion,” she said. “And it seems to me, that it was entirely unnecessary.”




The Mormon church, it would appear, has a lot in common with the Islamic Taliban. Different covering, but same interior. Both has as their justification books of fantasy with mythical characters – not very good ones at that.
Jessieka made the following claims about Mormonism that I feel the need to comment on:
1. “They are beyond racist.” I don’t know what beyond racist is called, but many of them are racist. The church believes that we all existed in heaven before we were born. There was a war in heaven between the two sons of God, Satan and Jesus Christ. Both had submitted plans of salvation to God the Father. God chose Christ’s plan, and Satan and his followers rebelled. And there was a war in heaven, and Satan and his followers were cast to the earth to be tormenting demons (and thus provide temptations to do wrong, which we must fight against). There were some in heaven that were in the middle and didn’t side with Christ or Satan. Those fence sitters were to be known by having dark skins. This is how God marked those spirits who were not valiant in the war in heaven. They were called the ‘progeny of Cain’ because God introduced blackness into the world when he caused Cain to have a black skin as punishment for slaying Abel. Early Mormon prophets taught that blacks would never be allowed to have their priesthood until after the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ, which would begin at the 2nd coming. But due to political pressure in the 1970’s, and the church anticipating major growth in Africa and Latin and South America, God allowed them to extend full membership rights to all races in 1978. However, the quote that the only way a negro man can enter heaven is as a slave – that may have been said by someone in the early days of the church (19th century), but it has never been a teaching or belief of the church. I was in it for 30 years and know it quite intimately, and that is not a belief of the church.
2. The church does teach that women need to be submissive to their husbands. It teaches that a woman cannot attain the highest level of heaven without her husband. Indeed, at the resurrection, Christ will call forth the spirits of all the men who have lived from the grave. And the men will then call forth the spirits of their wives. Thus if a man doesn’t choose to call forth is wife, she is S.O.L. I don’t think the early leaders who thought up this teaching believed that any man just resurrected would withhold this ‘blessing’ to his wife, but….. LOL…
3. The LDS church would never encourage the men in the family of a Lesbian to rape her. Although I know of instances of local leaders, such as bishops, counseling families to cut off all relations with a gay or lesbian son or daughter – in the hopes that it would cause them such sadness that they would want to repent and change..
4. They believe in baptism by immersion, so it would be very difficult to baptize someone without their knowledge or consent. They do perform baptisms for the dead, but since the parties involved are dead, it would be impossible to gain their consent. I was actually involved in this once. Mormons don’t think anyone can get into heaven without being baptized first, and so if you have ancestors that were never baptized, you can be baptized in their place – by proxy, and it will allow them to proceed into heaven. These ceremonies are done in the temple in a big pool of water resting on the backs of 12 sculpted oxen, representing the 12 tribes of Israel. I was baptized for 33 dead guys one day…. I didn’t actually see any of their spirits attending the ceremony as some who have participated have claimed. Yes, some claim they have actually seen the dead person’s spirit looking on as they have freed them from any restraint in going to heaven.. Anyway…
5. There is no Mormon who would want to spend Eternity with Hitler.. and there is no evidence that Hitler would want to spend eternity with them either.
6. They do feel totally justified in meddling in everyone’s lives, but then so do all organized religions, especially of a conservative nature.
7. They worship money almost as much as they do their ‘profits’ (I think you meant prophets??? Either way it works).. I would agree with that too. They bring in millions daily in tithes, and they invest those millions in Real Estate, businesses, corporations, media, etc. They control most, if not all, media outlets in Utah. They own large percentages of CocaCola and other food product companies. They own 100% of Beneficial Life Insurance. They own Zion’s National Bank…. Stores… They are largely a corporation. And that has provided them far too much power. They control the political landscape in several states, and in Utah even hold political meetings in LDS church houses. They claim they do not get involved in politics, but every Mormon who holds a temple recommend has taken an oath to be obedient to the Mormon prophet. Therefore, if a Mormon prophet deems an issue to be a moral issue, and speaks out on it, the state legislators will adopt that view simply because they have taken oaths to obey him. Thus there is little separation of church and state. The prophet spoke out in favor of Prop 8 and look what happened… They have a doctrine of Infallibility (called the Manifesto), and Mormons do not believe their prophet can lead them astray. Thus, when he speaks, ‘the thinking has been done,’ and their duty then is to obey.
Mormon church spokespersons claim they are only defending traditional marriage. Well, I have news for them. Supporters of marriage equality also defend traditional marriage. We want traditional marriages to be successful and last for life– in other words, fewer divorces and couples prepared for the commitment of marriage. However, neither they nor others in the religious right will protect and defend traditional marriage by denying the rights of same-sex couples to marry or by pushing homosexual persons into traditional marriages for which they are not suited.
Brigham Young, the “prophet” also said the penalty for interracial marriage is death. It’s in the journal of discourses… easy to find. Just look up anything about slavery in the journal of discourses, and you will be very surprised at all you will find that Marie Osmond would never share when she’s on Larry King! It is a far cry from the image they portray today and what the members would conveniently say was “a man speaking for himself”.
Response to others comments.
Yes they are beyond raciest makes the klan look sweet by comparasin.Example “the only way a negro man can enter the pearly gates of heaven is as a slave” there is no mention of black woman BECAUSE ALL woman MUST obiendantly submit to all men!
The lds also encourages a lesbains family “men” to “FORCE TO SUBMIT SEXURALY” There is no rape because NO woman or girl has a right to say no!
these are people who want to spend eternity with hitler! They “babtise” people without there knoledge & consent.
With that kind of thinking they feel totly justerfied in meddling with everyones earthly lives as the do are afterlives! The only thing we can do since the feds are to wussy to act is hit it were it realy counts to these inbread rejects the pocket book. They worship money almost as much as the do there”profits”
We can hold a milloin protests & never be heard by a single “morman” they dictate what is suitable to read or watch mostly just there brainwash channel & other programs they control.
They have snaked there way into american lives & most are clueless!
Boy & girl scouts are MORMAN you buy a girl scout cookie your fianacing there propaganda ads.Drunk a pepsi lately?
They own that to! The lds is no church they are a crimenal organazation & all there resourcers should be removed under recko!!! The continued publication of “daisy” books are proof but the feds dont have the balls to act.I urge all THINKING people to stop fianacing there bs say no to pepsi & girl scout cookies.
Dairy queen has “exclusive” contract for the cookies so probably also lds owned.
They got 1 rule for business only deal with others from the church. Hitting them in pocket book effects them much more than a kissathon! Does anybody else no a company we can all boycot in salidarty ???please add!!!
Here’s a podcast I shot and posted of Santa Monica, CA’s Kiss-In at the Third Street Promenade.
http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit?ns=1&video_id=6q1_DY7w910&next=%2Fmy_videos%3Fpi%3D0%26ps%3D20%26sf%3Dadded%26sa%3D0%26sq%3D%26dm%3D2
Hal Sparks of “Queer As Folk” talks about tough road for same-sex screen kisses in movies.
Chris Sullivan:
That’s…not really anything but caustic. I wouldn’t ask my worst enemy to do something like that.
Generally:
Anyway, I’m rather surprised this article quoted so many gay Mormons and their Mormon allies. There’s a determined resistance movement within the church trying to reverse trends like these. If a majority of people in Utah are Mormon, then it also figures that a majority of gay people in Utah are also culturally Mormon, and while some cease to be Mormons, others (in spiritual if not affiliatory terms) could no less stop being their own ethnicity.
It seems far too easy to wash one’s hands of Utah and conservative regional cultures when the gay rights struggles there are actually some of those that matter the most. Gay rights supporters in Utah are still fighting urgently for progressive advances, in a state where gay people (under state law) have no real rights at all. Figures like Rocky Anderson and Jon Huntsman Jr. were considered great friends of the gay population, amidst others in the general population who wanted their blood for even saying so.
Please support and don’t forget gay rights in Utah. Here are some Mormon population-based gay rights campaigns in opposition to the church administration’s hurtful policies:
http://www.affirmation.org/
http://mormonsformarriage.com/
As a Pagan, I find it offensive that they have the only right to determine what is moral or not. But what do you expect of a religion that use to proscute wicca’s and other pagan people.
Oh my goodness, Mormon only recuit just only white people. No Gay, Africa-Americans, Asian-Americans, Native Americans, etc… It smell like and sound like racist people. Oh please… there is such as no devils anywhere in the world. Mormons already labeled us a devil people under disgiuse. Humans is Humans. Why are you try to break down us in the category.
My partner and I kiss and hold hands in public all the time. We have been lucky that we have never had a problem. I am sure there have been stares and comments but I don’t listen for them. I think if more gay couples engaged in everyday PDA it would become less of an issue over time.
As for the church, the Mormons do seem to be in the news more often and they have acknowledged that change is necessary, has occurred in the past, and they are working on it.
It is more than a few other faiths have done.
Our founding fathers made it clear that there should be a separation of church and state.
Our last administration did not. While their will always be some influence of morality based on faith, the LAW is SEPARATE and should be for ALL citizens. The church should not be allowed to contribute to anything that affects the Law nor should anyone in government accept funds from any tax-exempt organization. Part of becoming tax exempt is that you cannot be political. If you want to play, you have to pay. Frankly, if the government made churches pay even a portion of the tax they generate, our economy would be in better shape.
If a church has the need to give away money, I am sure there are plenty of other ways to spend it.
This probably has Harry Hay turning in his grave. A new form of Mattachine, of course, but a snarky protest indeed. Love it. Kiss heard round the world.
I don’t think any church should have any say about gay rights. Gay rights is a civil matter not a church matter.
I have one sentiment for the Mormon Church: BLOW ME!
Can’t wait for the movie. But the Mormon church is just as deeply implicated in attempting to overturn Maine and Washingtons laws. Have them keep their sticky hands in Utah!