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	<title>Comments on: Gay leaders blame TV ads, Obama for loss in Maine</title>
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		<title>By: ps2os2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ps2os2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are quite a few items that bring this type of argument as to who to blame.
1. Out of state money (on either side)
2. Ads that are outrageous and clearly false.
3. The idea that people should be allowed to vote on a basic human rights is downright absurd.

I will have to admit I did not send money to the people in Maine as I thought it was wrong for outsider&#039;s to give money as it is clearly the people who live in the state to make up their own minds on issues like this. On the other hand the right wing has got us in a corner. If we go for a national law then they will tie it up in the congress for years. The other option our leaders said was to do it local. Well we are doing it but are losing as they really do not play by the rules (they do not care in their mind) and we are doomed to loose many more of these. State legislatures are the old buddy system and it will take over 100 years to break them even that is highly unlikely. 
I think the right wing has essentially won this (yes I know keep trying) but it will take a few hundred years to do this.
I think its time for a new idea from our leaders as to how we can get this some momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are quite a few items that bring this type of argument as to who to blame.<br />
1. Out of state money (on either side)<br />
2. Ads that are outrageous and clearly false.<br />
3. The idea that people should be allowed to vote on a basic human rights is downright absurd.</p>
<p>I will have to admit I did not send money to the people in Maine as I thought it was wrong for outsider&#8217;s to give money as it is clearly the people who live in the state to make up their own minds on issues like this. On the other hand the right wing has got us in a corner. If we go for a national law then they will tie it up in the congress for years. The other option our leaders said was to do it local. Well we are doing it but are losing as they really do not play by the rules (they do not care in their mind) and we are doomed to loose many more of these. State legislatures are the old buddy system and it will take over 100 years to break them even that is highly unlikely.<br />
I think the right wing has essentially won this (yes I know keep trying) but it will take a few hundred years to do this.<br />
I think its time for a new idea from our leaders as to how we can get this some momentum.</p>
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		<title>By: God is Goofy</title>
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		<dc:creator>God is Goofy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually God is Good, affiliations like the Church of Scientology and the Dioceses of the Catholic Church would be first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually God is Good, affiliations like the Church of Scientology and the Dioceses of the Catholic Church would be first.</p>
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		<title>By: God is Good</title>
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		<dc:creator>God is Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you gaytards push for the removalof tax exemptions from religious groups, then the LGBT gayocracy would be first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you gaytards push for the removalof tax exemptions from religious groups, then the LGBT gayocracy would be first.</p>
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		<title>By: TNRobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>TNRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, whenever and wherever gay marriage is challenged at the ballot box the opposition will prove victorious.  It&#039;s a numbers game.  With that being said, there are only two groups of voters equally motivated to cast ballots.  These two groups of people consist of gays and the anti-gay right.  Members of the anti-gay right outnumber gay citizens by a huge margin.  Consequently, they will also outnumber us at polling stations.

Members of the anti-gay right are an especially motivated force.  These people would walk 50 miles up a hill to get to a polling station and cast a vote against gay marriage.  They would even crawl over broken glass to get to that same polling station.  With that being said, I am willing to bet that every able bodied gay marriage opponent made it to the ballot box in both California and Maine.  On the other hand, heterosexual individuals with no grievances towards gay marriage lacked the anti-gay right&#039;s ambition to come on out and vote in droves.  That&#039;s because regardless of the outcome of such referendums, the lives of our straight supporters do not change either way.  As a result, the absence of straight supporters at the poll booths pulled the plug on gay marriage in California first and now Maine.

However, these straight supporters cannot be blamed for their own absence at polling stations. This group was not targeted by television ads or print media.  Simply put, ads should have aired that reached out to heterosexual supporters of gay marriage directly.  These individuals needed to be informed that their votes would have been the deciding factor.  Instead, defensive ads that attempted to counter those produced by groups like the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) were aired.  This approach was unnecessary because the reasonable individuals we needed to come out and vote on our behalf were plenty intelligent enough to overlook the malicious, false ads produced by anti-gay groups such as the NOM.  Similarly, members of the opposition were too misguided to be swayed by our 30-60 second sound bite rebuttals.

On another note, gay rights organizations should have orchestrated frequent, large scale town hall meetings to address the opposition face to face.  More than anything, these people need to see that gay and lesbian individuals are brothers, sisters, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, sons, and daughters.  They need to see that we are loved by our friends and families.  These individuals also need to meet heterosexual children raised by gay parents so they can see first hand that gay marriage (and gay people for that matter) will not influence the sexuality of their children.  Our opponents also need to meet with religious leaders from states where gay marriage is legal so they can learn first hand that no state has compelled a preacher, reverend, rabbi, etc. from presiding over a same-sex wedding, thus addressing one of their biggest concerns.  They also need to see that we are doctors, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters engineers, teachers, etc. and may have touched their lives for the better.  Finally, the opposition needs to see that we also love this country.  With such an approach, we may actually be able to produce results that have yet to be accomplished by a sound bite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, whenever and wherever gay marriage is challenged at the ballot box the opposition will prove victorious.  It&#8217;s a numbers game.  With that being said, there are only two groups of voters equally motivated to cast ballots.  These two groups of people consist of gays and the anti-gay right.  Members of the anti-gay right outnumber gay citizens by a huge margin.  Consequently, they will also outnumber us at polling stations.</p>
<p>Members of the anti-gay right are an especially motivated force.  These people would walk 50 miles up a hill to get to a polling station and cast a vote against gay marriage.  They would even crawl over broken glass to get to that same polling station.  With that being said, I am willing to bet that every able bodied gay marriage opponent made it to the ballot box in both California and Maine.  On the other hand, heterosexual individuals with no grievances towards gay marriage lacked the anti-gay right&#8217;s ambition to come on out and vote in droves.  That&#8217;s because regardless of the outcome of such referendums, the lives of our straight supporters do not change either way.  As a result, the absence of straight supporters at the poll booths pulled the plug on gay marriage in California first and now Maine.</p>
<p>However, these straight supporters cannot be blamed for their own absence at polling stations. This group was not targeted by television ads or print media.  Simply put, ads should have aired that reached out to heterosexual supporters of gay marriage directly.  These individuals needed to be informed that their votes would have been the deciding factor.  Instead, defensive ads that attempted to counter those produced by groups like the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) were aired.  This approach was unnecessary because the reasonable individuals we needed to come out and vote on our behalf were plenty intelligent enough to overlook the malicious, false ads produced by anti-gay groups such as the NOM.  Similarly, members of the opposition were too misguided to be swayed by our 30-60 second sound bite rebuttals.</p>
<p>On another note, gay rights organizations should have orchestrated frequent, large scale town hall meetings to address the opposition face to face.  More than anything, these people need to see that gay and lesbian individuals are brothers, sisters, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, sons, and daughters.  They need to see that we are loved by our friends and families.  These individuals also need to meet heterosexual children raised by gay parents so they can see first hand that gay marriage (and gay people for that matter) will not influence the sexuality of their children.  Our opponents also need to meet with religious leaders from states where gay marriage is legal so they can learn first hand that no state has compelled a preacher, reverend, rabbi, etc. from presiding over a same-sex wedding, thus addressing one of their biggest concerns.  They also need to see that we are doctors, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters engineers, teachers, etc. and may have touched their lives for the better.  Finally, the opposition needs to see that we also love this country.  With such an approach, we may actually be able to produce results that have yet to be accomplished by a sound bite.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michaelandfred Said: &quot;Yhitzak, it’s his JOB. It’s what he ran and asked for. It’s what he promised he would do and why thousands voted for him, campaigned for him and sent their hard earned money for.&quot;

You know, sometimes I have to wonder if some people within the gay community habitually delude themselves.  Please, tell me where and when Obama promised to support gay marriage?  I have seen and heard several speeches where he says he is personally opposed to gay marriage.  I have seen and heard several speeches where he said he would support the right of each State to decide for itself whether or not to allow same-sex marriage, civil unions, or nothing at all.  I have seen and heard nothing from Obama to suggest that he would be a vocal proponent of gay marriage, only that he would not stand in its way.

So how exactly is he breaking promises?  He isn&#039;t.  The only promises he&#039;s breaking are the ones you have deluded yourself into believing he has made.

In fact, Obama kept his promise to the gay community in Maine.  He let the State decide for itself, and he didn&#039;t voice his personal opposition to the idea of gay marriage.  There is no more you should ask of him on this issue.

I&#039;m all for calling him to keep his promises, but let&#039;s stick to the ones he actually made rather than these delusional fictions you&#039;ve concocted and this idiotic idea that he somehow professed to be an advocate for and savior of the gay community.

Obama is not to blame for Maine.  The people of Maine are to blame for Maine.  The decision was theirs.  If they elected to be seduced by hateful propaganda or allowed their own prejudice to guide their hand, the blame should rest with them and them alone.  It was a fair vote.  It was a free vote.  It is, therefore, the voters who are responsible for this decision.  Consider why they voted the way they did by all means, but don&#039;t lose sight of the fact that the decision was ultimately theirs.

As for the idiots advocating violence, grow up.  That&#039;s all I&#039;ll say on the subject.  Grow the hell up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michaelandfred Said: &#8220;Yhitzak, it’s his JOB. It’s what he ran and asked for. It’s what he promised he would do and why thousands voted for him, campaigned for him and sent their hard earned money for.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know, sometimes I have to wonder if some people within the gay community habitually delude themselves.  Please, tell me where and when Obama promised to support gay marriage?  I have seen and heard several speeches where he says he is personally opposed to gay marriage.  I have seen and heard several speeches where he said he would support the right of each State to decide for itself whether or not to allow same-sex marriage, civil unions, or nothing at all.  I have seen and heard nothing from Obama to suggest that he would be a vocal proponent of gay marriage, only that he would not stand in its way.</p>
<p>So how exactly is he breaking promises?  He isn&#8217;t.  The only promises he&#8217;s breaking are the ones you have deluded yourself into believing he has made.</p>
<p>In fact, Obama kept his promise to the gay community in Maine.  He let the State decide for itself, and he didn&#8217;t voice his personal opposition to the idea of gay marriage.  There is no more you should ask of him on this issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for calling him to keep his promises, but let&#8217;s stick to the ones he actually made rather than these delusional fictions you&#8217;ve concocted and this idiotic idea that he somehow professed to be an advocate for and savior of the gay community.</p>
<p>Obama is not to blame for Maine.  The people of Maine are to blame for Maine.  The decision was theirs.  If they elected to be seduced by hateful propaganda or allowed their own prejudice to guide their hand, the blame should rest with them and them alone.  It was a fair vote.  It was a free vote.  It is, therefore, the voters who are responsible for this decision.  Consider why they voted the way they did by all means, but don&#8217;t lose sight of the fact that the decision was ultimately theirs.</p>
<p>As for the idiots advocating violence, grow up.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ll say on the subject.  Grow the hell up.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When is the US going to realize that gay marriage has been legalized in other countries and those countries haven&#039;t blown up or brought the world to an end because of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is the US going to realize that gay marriage has been legalized in other countries and those countries haven&#8217;t blown up or brought the world to an end because of it?</p>
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		<title>By: HayDegha0917</title>
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		<dc:creator>HayDegha0917</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way we are going to win the marriage equality fight is by humanizing the issue. Gay leaders have started (finally!) saying that but I am not seeing much action on this front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way we are going to win the marriage equality fight is by humanizing the issue. Gay leaders have started (finally!) saying that but I am not seeing much action on this front.</p>
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		<title>By: brotherboy1959</title>
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		<dc:creator>brotherboy1959</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the people of the north should be proud they gave it  best and try  you should be glad you donot live in  the south where  bible belt  area  is and people are narrow minded  and prude  and you do have some freedom  better than none   keep up the battle for  for the future  Generations we older people have help pave the way  and paid for it  thanks you Blessed be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the people of the north should be proud they gave it  best and try  you should be glad you donot live in  the south where  bible belt  area  is and people are narrow minded  and prude  and you do have some freedom  better than none   keep up the battle for  for the future  Generations we older people have help pave the way  and paid for it  thanks you Blessed be</p>
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		<title>By: Ron in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Craig in AZ

Thank You for your remarks about Mr. Withers. He does seem to be a bit on the wuss side about getting anything done. I say we declare WAR on these people hurting us. Wouldn&#039;t it be a nice string of wonderful news stories if all these anti-gay religious nutjobs started going to be with thier JEBUS by force. WAR ! !</description>
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<p>Thank You for your remarks about Mr. Withers. He does seem to be a bit on the wuss side about getting anything done. I say we declare WAR on these people hurting us. Wouldn&#8217;t it be a nice string of wonderful news stories if all these anti-gay religious nutjobs started going to be with thier JEBUS by force. WAR ! !</p>
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		<title>By: DougRod</title>
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		<dc:creator>DougRod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is precisely why we switched to the Green Party after Prop 8 passed in California last year. In a very safe Democratic state, both Obama and Biden stood with those who say marriage is &quot;special.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is precisely why we switched to the Green Party after Prop 8 passed in California last year. In a very safe Democratic state, both Obama and Biden stood with those who say marriage is &#8220;special.&#8221;</p>
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