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		<title>By: BUD BURGOON-CLARK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BUD BURGOON-CLARK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Feuding Dems may blow bid for NYS Senate control&quot; is a VERY misleading headline. Let&#039;s be clear: three konservative nut-cases, led by the senile and homophobic Sen. &quot;The Rev&#039;d&quot; (NOT!) Ruben Diaz Sr. (to distinguish from his son, who is under investigation for graft and corruption) are seeking to control the NY State Senate. They care nothing for Party loyalty or ethics. They just want to feather their own befouled nests. It&#039;s not about marriage equality; it&#039;s about pure naked POWER ... and THEY want it. They should be IMPEACHED, *not* KOW-TOWED to.

Bud Burgoon-Clark
San Diego CA USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Feuding Dems may blow bid for NYS Senate control&#8221; is a VERY misleading headline. Let&#8217;s be clear: three konservative nut-cases, led by the senile and homophobic Sen. &#8220;The Rev&#8217;d&#8221; (NOT!) Ruben Diaz Sr. (to distinguish from his son, who is under investigation for graft and corruption) are seeking to control the NY State Senate. They care nothing for Party loyalty or ethics. They just want to feather their own befouled nests. It&#8217;s not about marriage equality; it&#8217;s about pure naked POWER &#8230; and THEY want it. They should be IMPEACHED, *not* KOW-TOWED to.</p>
<p>Bud Burgoon-Clark<br />
San Diego CA USA</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been to several gay marriage rallies in Boston Massachusetts, during very intense days where it uncertain for a while whether gay marriage would survive or not, carried protest signs and was seen with others on the front page of the Boston Globe newspaper with a gay-marriage sign.

I met a man in Provincetown who said he and his partner was the 1,000th gay couple to get married in MA. During Provinncetown Gay Pride one year, he had a sign that IDed him and his as the 1,000th couple. I asked him about it and he say gay ouuple number 999 was announced and he and his partner rushed into the clerk&#039;s office to be number 1,000.

I have said many times before especially during the Prop 8 fight, that people need to realize the power they have in numbers in such a huge blue state as California with such a large GLBT population.

I will be at gay marriage rally in Maryland next year and to meet with my legislators if need be. Fortunately all the legislators from my area are gay-friendly, some are gay and partnered themselves and all of my reps from are my are on board with MD gay marriage as is one several others. My rep in the US Congress is for gay rights and may be for gay marriage. 

I have contacted my Senators in Congress to vote for a repeal of the Federal DOMA should that come up for a vote.

I intend to go to the closest state to me that has a National DOMA Protest Day rally. There is to be one in Boston, MA on January 10th, 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been to several gay marriage rallies in Boston Massachusetts, during very intense days where it uncertain for a while whether gay marriage would survive or not, carried protest signs and was seen with others on the front page of the Boston Globe newspaper with a gay-marriage sign.</p>
<p>I met a man in Provincetown who said he and his partner was the 1,000th gay couple to get married in MA. During Provinncetown Gay Pride one year, he had a sign that IDed him and his as the 1,000th couple. I asked him about it and he say gay ouuple number 999 was announced and he and his partner rushed into the clerk&#8217;s office to be number 1,000.</p>
<p>I have said many times before especially during the Prop 8 fight, that people need to realize the power they have in numbers in such a huge blue state as California with such a large GLBT population.</p>
<p>I will be at gay marriage rally in Maryland next year and to meet with my legislators if need be. Fortunately all the legislators from my area are gay-friendly, some are gay and partnered themselves and all of my reps from are my are on board with MD gay marriage as is one several others. My rep in the US Congress is for gay rights and may be for gay marriage. </p>
<p>I have contacted my Senators in Congress to vote for a repeal of the Federal DOMA should that come up for a vote.</p>
<p>I intend to go to the closest state to me that has a National DOMA Protest Day rally. There is to be one in Boston, MA on January 10th, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: John in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I can gather reading the NYT, same-sex marriage isn&#039;t the only issue here. Otherwise, they would&#039;ve thrown us under the bus already. But once the Democrats gave into these traitors on that single issue, they started making all sorts of wild demands. No votes on pro-choice legislation, more pork barrel spending for their churches, and such. This is clearly unacceptable to the party. You cannot have backbenchers holding the leadership hostage.   

The Democrats should boot the three rebels from their caucus and continue to sit in the opposition benches until the next election. Better have these DINOs run for re-election as Republicans in 2012 - in heavily Democratic districts - than give into their &quot;demands&quot; (which would require the Democrats to poach more three seats from GOPers on Long Island or Upstate to get anything done).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can gather reading the NYT, same-sex marriage isn&#8217;t the only issue here. Otherwise, they would&#8217;ve thrown us under the bus already. But once the Democrats gave into these traitors on that single issue, they started making all sorts of wild demands. No votes on pro-choice legislation, more pork barrel spending for their churches, and such. This is clearly unacceptable to the party. You cannot have backbenchers holding the leadership hostage.   </p>
<p>The Democrats should boot the three rebels from their caucus and continue to sit in the opposition benches until the next election. Better have these DINOs run for re-election as Republicans in 2012 &#8211; in heavily Democratic districts &#8211; than give into their &#8220;demands&#8221; (which would require the Democrats to poach more three seats from GOPers on Long Island or Upstate to get anything done).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney is very much on point. I think that there is a strong complacency amongst the Gay Community that all we need to win equality is Democrat majorities in government.  It is not that simple.

These people supposedly represent their constituents.  So gay voters should be communicating with them, regardless of party, to make their case.

Also, at the party level, remember that in most cases these people run twice.  First in party primaries, and then in the real election. If, for example, gays want to stop Democrats from &quot;taking us for granted&quot;, then we need to care more about the primaries and who the party&#039;s candidates are going to be. Just because someone is a Democrat does not mean they&#039;re a liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney is very much on point. I think that there is a strong complacency amongst the Gay Community that all we need to win equality is Democrat majorities in government.  It is not that simple.</p>
<p>These people supposedly represent their constituents.  So gay voters should be communicating with them, regardless of party, to make their case.</p>
<p>Also, at the party level, remember that in most cases these people run twice.  First in party primaries, and then in the real election. If, for example, gays want to stop Democrats from &#8220;taking us for granted&#8221;, then we need to care more about the primaries and who the party&#8217;s candidates are going to be. Just because someone is a Democrat does not mean they&#8217;re a liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan is right(never thought I would say it, but it&#039;s true). 

Every single gay New Yorker needs to call their representatives and Senators in the Assembly and annoy the living hell out of them. YES!!

I am a VERY left of center person, I am much further left on social and economic issues than even the vast majority of &quot;Liberal&quot; and Progressive Democrats. I have little to NOTHING in common with the GOP. With all of this said, there are plenty of unlikely allies in New York&#039;s GOP. New York, along with California and Massachusetts has a proud and historic tradition of having (capital L)Liberal Republicans and even Progressive Republicans. Theodore Roosevelt, my one and only favorite Republican President, is the archetypal Liberal Republican and he is as New York as the Statue of Liberty. So, this means gay and lesbian New Yorkers, regardless of partisan or ideological background need to pressure each and every assembly member on marriage equality, NOW. 

Support and opposition to marriage equality in New York does NOT abide by party lines. There are Republicans who support us and there are plenty of Democrats who oppose us. So this is one of the few states, in which we don&#039;t need to wait until Democrats have a comfortable majority to push for change. The time for change is NOW. 

Also, I cringe each and every time someone uses the term &quot;gay marriage&quot;. Not that I am some Uber-PC nut, but when one uses the term &quot;marriage equality&quot; instead of &quot;gay marriage&quot; it makes it clear that we&#039;re not supporting gay marriage over straight marriage. Also, in the 1990s and early 2000s, &quot;gay marriage&quot; as a term was used to describe all manner of semi-marital institutions such as domestic partnership and civil unions. Using the term marriage equality instead of gay marriage, takes steam out of the argument that &quot;gay people want to destroy traditional marriage and replace it with gay marriage&quot;. Also, when we ask a politician if they support marriage equality or not, it gives them little to no leeway in weaseling out of the question. 

In Massachusetts and Canada, places where the marriage equality fight were successful, they used &quot;marriage equality&quot; almost exclusively in their phraseology and terminology. If the Rest of gay America wants to be succesful and make clear and concise arguments which will convince the convinceable, stop using the term &quot;gay marriage&quot; and replace it with &quot;marriage equality&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan is right(never thought I would say it, but it&#8217;s true). </p>
<p>Every single gay New Yorker needs to call their representatives and Senators in the Assembly and annoy the living hell out of them. YES!!</p>
<p>I am a VERY left of center person, I am much further left on social and economic issues than even the vast majority of &#8220;Liberal&#8221; and Progressive Democrats. I have little to NOTHING in common with the GOP. With all of this said, there are plenty of unlikely allies in New York&#8217;s GOP. New York, along with California and Massachusetts has a proud and historic tradition of having (capital L)Liberal Republicans and even Progressive Republicans. Theodore Roosevelt, my one and only favorite Republican President, is the archetypal Liberal Republican and he is as New York as the Statue of Liberty. So, this means gay and lesbian New Yorkers, regardless of partisan or ideological background need to pressure each and every assembly member on marriage equality, NOW. </p>
<p>Support and opposition to marriage equality in New York does NOT abide by party lines. There are Republicans who support us and there are plenty of Democrats who oppose us. So this is one of the few states, in which we don&#8217;t need to wait until Democrats have a comfortable majority to push for change. The time for change is NOW. </p>
<p>Also, I cringe each and every time someone uses the term &#8220;gay marriage&#8221;. Not that I am some Uber-PC nut, but when one uses the term &#8220;marriage equality&#8221; instead of &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; it makes it clear that we&#8217;re not supporting gay marriage over straight marriage. Also, in the 1990s and early 2000s, &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; as a term was used to describe all manner of semi-marital institutions such as domestic partnership and civil unions. Using the term marriage equality instead of gay marriage, takes steam out of the argument that &#8220;gay people want to destroy traditional marriage and replace it with gay marriage&#8221;. Also, when we ask a politician if they support marriage equality or not, it gives them little to no leeway in weaseling out of the question. </p>
<p>In Massachusetts and Canada, places where the marriage equality fight were successful, they used &#8220;marriage equality&#8221; almost exclusively in their phraseology and terminology. If the Rest of gay America wants to be succesful and make clear and concise arguments which will convince the convinceable, stop using the term &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; and replace it with &#8220;marriage equality&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s up to gay New York residents to push and push and push some more their legislators to show some backbnne and to push for a gay marriage bill.
This is their future, they need to call and ring the phones off the hook at their state assmebly for NY State gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s up to gay New York residents to push and push and push some more their legislators to show some backbnne and to push for a gay marriage bill.<br />
This is their future, they need to call and ring the phones off the hook at their state assmebly for NY State gay marriage.</p>
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