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		<title>By: turnipHed</title>
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		<dc:creator>turnipHed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have stated this on podCasts before but will add this here as well...

The solution to the marriage issue is super simple. It is almost staring us right in the face, so blatant that one could almost go as far as to say, “We can’t see the forest through the trees.”

The Solution:

From this day forward every couple that wishes to join together in a union, as it were, albeit man and woman, woman and woman or man and man MUST be done by a government official as in a Justice of the Peace.

Said Justice of the Peace does not have the right to discriminate against anyone that wishes to enter in to such a union.

Should any couple be religious they could then go forward and have a ceremony that would satisfy their religious needs, wants and desires but not without first proceeding with the procedure above.

A religious ceremony would not be legally binding as a union whereas the proceedings with a government representative would be.

This then doesn’t take marriage away from those heterosexual couples that fear so much that I had sex with a man last night and destroyed their marriage.

It puts EVERYONE on a level playing field and then allows anyone their personal religious freedoms to commit their vows as they see fit.

Of course, all marriages that have been performed in the past would be honoured as such this would just be the turning point to moving forward.

Sounds simple enough doesn’t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have stated this on podCasts before but will add this here as well&#8230;</p>
<p>The solution to the marriage issue is super simple. It is almost staring us right in the face, so blatant that one could almost go as far as to say, “We can’t see the forest through the trees.”</p>
<p>The Solution:</p>
<p>From this day forward every couple that wishes to join together in a union, as it were, albeit man and woman, woman and woman or man and man MUST be done by a government official as in a Justice of the Peace.</p>
<p>Said Justice of the Peace does not have the right to discriminate against anyone that wishes to enter in to such a union.</p>
<p>Should any couple be religious they could then go forward and have a ceremony that would satisfy their religious needs, wants and desires but not without first proceeding with the procedure above.</p>
<p>A religious ceremony would not be legally binding as a union whereas the proceedings with a government representative would be.</p>
<p>This then doesn’t take marriage away from those heterosexual couples that fear so much that I had sex with a man last night and destroyed their marriage.</p>
<p>It puts EVERYONE on a level playing field and then allows anyone their personal religious freedoms to commit their vows as they see fit.</p>
<p>Of course, all marriages that have been performed in the past would be honoured as such this would just be the turning point to moving forward.</p>
<p>Sounds simple enough doesn’t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sitting here, up way too late, maybe getting coldish/fluish.  I&#039;m disgusted and tired and demoralized and angry and NOT READY TO GIVE UP.  I&#039;m listening to Joe Jackson, &quot;Night and Day,&quot; which I remember buying on vinyl in the early 80s at a SuperX (Southerners hello).

I&#039;m remembering my ex-girlfriend, who was abandoned by her many (MANY) gay friends when she developed Lou Gehrig&#039;s.  I&#039;m thinking of the overt gayness of the album--which I seem to recall buying within a year of my vinyl copy of the Clash &quot;Combat Rock.&quot;  (They&#039;re not so different.)  I&#039;m thinking of how much my now-dead girlfriend would be...she wouldn&#039;t even be disgusted by the no-gay-marriages thing as much as she&#039;d just be pissed at the wrongness of the energy.  She loved Joe Jackson, and in a way she loved him more when he started coming out.  She was a rare and incredible woman.

That said, I think many (most?) of us have people in our lives, past and present, who have loved and respected us for who and what we were.  I grew up in the South, where gay was subverted or sublimated, yet you&#039;d be surprised how many Southern families WILL and DO chose family and blood over Scripture and bigotry.  I live in a Great Lakes city which will host the Gay Games in 5 years (if it&#039;s still standing), where I&#039;ve learned a lot about black and Hispanic culture keeping the gay family member over the church or cultural bigotry.  I don&#039;t know anything about being on an Indian reservation.  There&#039;s lots more I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m grateful for things I&#039;ve learned, but I guess most of all I wanna know what the hell it&#039;ll take for us gay Americans to be American first.  To be us in the places we come from, if that&#039;s what suits us.

Maybe what it really comes down to is that submitting to these demeaning popularity contests is beneath us.  Maybe it&#039;s better to go without than to allow anybody to vote on our rights.  Those votes go against us, and they stir up all kinds of venomous and divisive energy.  Why do we grant these votes any legitimacy, and why do we let the system accord them any legitimacy?  Maybe we&#039;re wrong in allowing any of these votes to be treated as legitimate civil gestures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sitting here, up way too late, maybe getting coldish/fluish.  I&#8217;m disgusted and tired and demoralized and angry and NOT READY TO GIVE UP.  I&#8217;m listening to Joe Jackson, &#8220;Night and Day,&#8221; which I remember buying on vinyl in the early 80s at a SuperX (Southerners hello).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m remembering my ex-girlfriend, who was abandoned by her many (MANY) gay friends when she developed Lou Gehrig&#8217;s.  I&#8217;m thinking of the overt gayness of the album&#8211;which I seem to recall buying within a year of my vinyl copy of the Clash &#8220;Combat Rock.&#8221;  (They&#8217;re not so different.)  I&#8217;m thinking of how much my now-dead girlfriend would be&#8230;she wouldn&#8217;t even be disgusted by the no-gay-marriages thing as much as she&#8217;d just be pissed at the wrongness of the energy.  She loved Joe Jackson, and in a way she loved him more when he started coming out.  She was a rare and incredible woman.</p>
<p>That said, I think many (most?) of us have people in our lives, past and present, who have loved and respected us for who and what we were.  I grew up in the South, where gay was subverted or sublimated, yet you&#8217;d be surprised how many Southern families WILL and DO chose family and blood over Scripture and bigotry.  I live in a Great Lakes city which will host the Gay Games in 5 years (if it&#8217;s still standing), where I&#8217;ve learned a lot about black and Hispanic culture keeping the gay family member over the church or cultural bigotry.  I don&#8217;t know anything about being on an Indian reservation.  There&#8217;s lots more I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;m grateful for things I&#8217;ve learned, but I guess most of all I wanna know what the hell it&#8217;ll take for us gay Americans to be American first.  To be us in the places we come from, if that&#8217;s what suits us.</p>
<p>Maybe what it really comes down to is that submitting to these demeaning popularity contests is beneath us.  Maybe it&#8217;s better to go without than to allow anybody to vote on our rights.  Those votes go against us, and they stir up all kinds of venomous and divisive energy.  Why do we grant these votes any legitimacy, and why do we let the system accord them any legitimacy?  Maybe we&#8217;re wrong in allowing any of these votes to be treated as legitimate civil gestures.</p>
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		<title>By: Vo Dong Cung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vo Dong Cung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>United State of America is going to lose enerything into the hand of Vatican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United State of America is going to lose enerything into the hand of Vatican.</p>
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		<title>By: vanndean</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanndean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is &quot;how could a gay person live in Maine and NOT look at everyone they pass on the street and wonder if they were one of the 52 percent of the voters that believe that discrimination is ok?&quot;  I think that would  drive me even crazier than I already am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is &#8220;how could a gay person live in Maine and NOT look at everyone they pass on the street and wonder if they were one of the 52 percent of the voters that believe that discrimination is ok?&#8221;  I think that would  drive me even crazier than I already am.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey in CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey in CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree we need a leader and I nominate Cleve Fucking Jones. The man is the first one to tell you this wont get anywhere without Civil Disobedience and he is a stellar protege of Milk.
Donate your time and Money to Equality Across America (the group that put on that fabulous March). THEY need the money. THEY will organize for us, unlike HRC-fucks. THEY will get this shit done. THEY are ALL OF US! 
Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve.

Protest the election results this Saturday at Noon ANYWHERE you can! America wants a fight...They got it from me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree we need a leader and I nominate Cleve Fucking Jones. The man is the first one to tell you this wont get anywhere without Civil Disobedience and he is a stellar protege of Milk.<br />
Donate your time and Money to Equality Across America (the group that put on that fabulous March). THEY need the money. THEY will organize for us, unlike HRC-fucks. THEY will get this shit done. THEY are ALL OF US!<br />
Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve Cleve.</p>
<p>Protest the election results this Saturday at Noon ANYWHERE you can! America wants a fight&#8230;They got it from me!</p>
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		<title>By: robertocucina</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertocucina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more political correctness, fight back with the venom the opposition uses, only better. Hold all political leaders&#039; feet to the fire warning them that they can NO LONGER take our votes for granted.  We&#039;ve had enough! Galvanize, unit under on umbrella, one goal: FULL EQUALITY or else.  The dem&#039;s can&#039;t win an election without us, we need to remind them and the time is NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more political correctness, fight back with the venom the opposition uses, only better. Hold all political leaders&#8217; feet to the fire warning them that they can NO LONGER take our votes for granted.  We&#8217;ve had enough! Galvanize, unit under on umbrella, one goal: FULL EQUALITY or else.  The dem&#8217;s can&#8217;t win an election without us, we need to remind them and the time is NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: 00HaveAniceDay00</title>
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		<dc:creator>00HaveAniceDay00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They cant shut us down, We need to be taken seriously! The truth needs to be heard. Our civil basic rights should not be up to vote. We played nice for too long and its apparent thats its not working..the harder we are pushed the harder we will fight. This is something we are all passionate about.. what are we waiting for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They cant shut us down, We need to be taken seriously! The truth needs to be heard. Our civil basic rights should not be up to vote. We played nice for too long and its apparent thats its not working..the harder we are pushed the harder we will fight. This is something we are all passionate about.. what are we waiting for?</p>
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		<title>By: 365 this</title>
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		<dc:creator>365 this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(shrugs)I can take a hint. 

Dont want me on your soil even though I was born here, don&#039;t want me in your military even though I can fight, don&#039;t want me near your children even though they&#039;re the last thing on my mind, don&#039;t want to know I exist though I do, and apparently I &quot;chose&quot; all this as well. 
America, you have a constitution but cant for the life of you live up to it, America, you have a bill of rights but should have some fine print giving a list of exceptions...same with &quot;god&quot;. &quot;God loves you!! Restrictions may apply...&quot; there, that&#039;s far more accurate.
I&#039;ve had more than a fair share of crap made up about people like me, had my fair share of glances and hushed whispers behind my back, had my share of superstitions presented to me as being some kind of &quot;truth&quot;. Nevermind that little, if any of it, holds any water - your just going to go ahead and believe it anyway, right America?

That&#039;s it. I&#039;ve had it. I look forward to watching this place lose wars since we&#039;re always in one anyway, experience true hardships such as disease, worse storms, dying crops, etc. I will laugh all the while as families are broken up because of such things. No, I don&#039;t care if I&#039;m here for it or even get killed from it. I will gladly suffer through it all since I have little else to lose anyway, right? Oh America...if you can&#039;t accept love for what it is I fail to see how your deserving of any love. What you need is a good swift kick in the a$$ that will leave a lasting bruise. This country is sh*t and right now I have more respect for the flies buzzing around it.

F U America. The American dream belongs in a pipe and I am disgusted to have to breath the same air as those who refuse to understand one another.

(...walks away)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(shrugs)I can take a hint. </p>
<p>Dont want me on your soil even though I was born here, don&#8217;t want me in your military even though I can fight, don&#8217;t want me near your children even though they&#8217;re the last thing on my mind, don&#8217;t want to know I exist though I do, and apparently I &#8220;chose&#8221; all this as well.<br />
America, you have a constitution but cant for the life of you live up to it, America, you have a bill of rights but should have some fine print giving a list of exceptions&#8230;same with &#8220;god&#8221;. &#8220;God loves you!! Restrictions may apply&#8230;&#8221; there, that&#8217;s far more accurate.<br />
I&#8217;ve had more than a fair share of crap made up about people like me, had my fair share of glances and hushed whispers behind my back, had my share of superstitions presented to me as being some kind of &#8220;truth&#8221;. Nevermind that little, if any of it, holds any water &#8211; your just going to go ahead and believe it anyway, right America?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. I&#8217;ve had it. I look forward to watching this place lose wars since we&#8217;re always in one anyway, experience true hardships such as disease, worse storms, dying crops, etc. I will laugh all the while as families are broken up because of such things. No, I don&#8217;t care if I&#8217;m here for it or even get killed from it. I will gladly suffer through it all since I have little else to lose anyway, right? Oh America&#8230;if you can&#8217;t accept love for what it is I fail to see how your deserving of any love. What you need is a good swift kick in the a$$ that will leave a lasting bruise. This country is sh*t and right now I have more respect for the flies buzzing around it.</p>
<p>F U America. The American dream belongs in a pipe and I am disgusted to have to breath the same air as those who refuse to understand one another.</p>
<p>(&#8230;walks away)</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle from NEPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle from NEPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say civil disobedience, revolutions get to complicated. My question is why do we always come so close? There has to be soemthing we could do to turn the votes in our favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say civil disobedience, revolutions get to complicated. My question is why do we always come so close? There has to be soemthing we could do to turn the votes in our favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>civil disobedience or revolution? anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>civil disobedience or revolution? anyone?</p>
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