Canada anti-hate law should not extend to Internet jokes, critics say
09.18.2008 1:26pm EDT
(Oakville, Ontario) Parts of Canada’s human-rights legislation are a punitive and gross infringement on free expression that have no place in a democratic country that prides itself on freedom, critics told a tribunal.
The legislation, which targets hate on the Internet, has put Canada among a “sorry group of nations” that stifle dissent for political reasons, its critics told the hearing.But supporters argued the Canadian Human Rights Act is a necessary restriction on free speech that protects vulnerable minorities.
The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal is trying to decide whether Toronto resident Marc Lemire is responsible for material posted on an electronic bulletin board frequented by far-right users.
The postings mocked Jews, blacks, Italians, gays and other minorities.
“The law should not concern itself with jokes and trivia,” lawyer Barbara Kulaszka, who represents Lemire, said in closing arguments.
“Jokes hurt too,” countered Athanasios Hadjis, who is chairing the tribunal.
“This is a law that has gone mad,” Kulaszka replied. “There is no balance in this law whatsoever.”
Lemire is arguing that sections of the decades-old Canadian Human Rights Act are unconstitutional.
Section 13, initially aimed at telephone hate messages, was extended in 2001 to cover Internet communications.
Lawyer Steven Skurka, acting for the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre for Holocaust Studies, argued the case is not about suppression of legitimate dissent.
The legislation targets only the most “poisoned” forms of expression that have no redeeming value and cause enduring harm to its victims and therefore society at large, he said.
“We support the right to offend and to be offensive,” Skurka said. “(But) hate propaganda does nothing to advance freedom of expression.”
Lemire’s freedomsite.org website, started in 1995, became the subject of a hearing in 2003, after Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman complained that postings on the site promoted hatred or could subject a group to contempt.
Lemire, 32, shut down the message board in Jan. 1, 2004, but the case has continued to wind its way through tribunal hearings, proving, his lawyers said, that legislation intended to be remedial has become a punitive instrument that can impose hefty fines.
Critics of the act also noted the tribunal has never dismissed a complaint.
Earlier in the hearing, Hadjis mused that the legislation may be outmoded in an Internet age where almost anyone can post messages and any complaint can lead to a lengthy and cumbersome process.
But Marvin Kurz, speaking for the Jewish human rights group B’nai Brith, said the Internet has not changed the harm caused by hate propaganda. Nor has it minimized the right of people to be protected from exposure to contempt and hatred, he said.
Paul Fromm, of the Canadian Association of Free Expression, called the legislation “excessive.”
Those who have fallen afoul of Section 13 – Warman has filed most of the complaints – have been poor uneducated whites who hold far right-wing views and lack sophistication in making their opinions heard, Fromm told the hearing.
“We should all have an equal right to express ourselves,” Fromm argued. “That is what the Internet has enabled us to do.”
Canada is acting like China by “slowly gagging” dissent, he said.
“Any regime that condemns jokes is pretty far gone.”
Critics have also warned that mainstream media could easily become ensnared by the act.




Terrence,
Of course, the United States Supreme Court disagrees with the “American point of view” on free speech. The high court has generally upheld the constitutionality of hate crime laws (including ones that limit certain forms of speech).
For example, the Supreme Court upheld San Francisco’s law against advertisements with “scientifically unproven” claims – which was enacted to stop an ex-gay ministry from buying billboard space – because it represented a “legitimate state interest” to discourage unlicensed forms of medical treatment. It is pathetic that Americans don’t even know what the legal situation is in their own country.
As a Canadian, I find it very interesting the American point of view that freedom of speech must not have ANY limits. This just strikes me as reckless and thoughtless. I mean you would get arrested if you “joked” about bombs in an airport or yelled fire in a crowded theater. Why should hate speech not be taken as seriously? We are not talking about a difference of opinion here, we are talking about hate speech that is published on the Internet with the obvious intention to incite hate and violence to a vulnerable minority. Characterizing limits on hate speech as gagging dissent, and comparing Canada to China is laughable if it were not so serious. For far too long hate mongers have felt entitled and have been getting away with their hurtful, violent, hateful speech, it is high time in a modern civil society that they be held to account for it. Plain and simple – free speech ends where hate speech begins. When your freedom of speech starts to infringe on my freedom to live without fear of violence and contempt, that is where your freedom of speech ends. Likewise, freedom of religion ends when it starts to infringe on the individual rights and freedoms of others to live in peace from religious based hate. Putting limits on what religious leaders can say or write about how some people should be treated and what human and civil rights should be afforded to sexual minorities is not only appropriate but required in modern civil society. I am very proud of our Canadian Charter of Human Rights, and wish our good neighbors will pull back from their absolutism and consider thoughtful responsible limits on their free speech too. Blessings.
Speech needs to be free, period. Even for the people who are serious and bigoted. “Hurtful” speech happens in all shapes and forms (ex, pro-choice speech is hurtful to me, but I won’t deny them their rights to openly discuss it) and as sad as it is, unless someone is attacking you personally with their words, you need to learn to ignore them. Especially when it’s words on the internet!
My good friends and I (all gay) use some pretty nasty words with each other when we joke, should we be censored or punished because we may offend someone else? How do we legally separate the acceptable from the unacceptable? “Oh, you’re gay, so it’s ok for you to use that word” or “You’re straight, so you can’t”? Doesn’t seem right.
Canadian police never enforce this law anyway. And in truth, it is probably unenforceble. Hate speech can occur anywhere. Go to any major city – Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnepeg, Montreal – and walk around. It might take a while, but you’ll hear somebody utter racial and homophobic slurs eventually. It may have more progressive legislation than most countries, but Canada isn’t some sort of utopia. There are bigots everywhere. It is human nature to fall into “us” versus “them” mentalities.
As the old saying goes:
“Many a truth is told in jest!”
Let there be no question, stiffling truth, no matter the hurt, is not acceptable.
I do not support hateful speech, but the best remedy is to take that person to court for slander or libel or hateful comments.
If you hit them in their pocket book, they will learn a lesson much more quickly than if they go to prison for it.