Calif. Supreme Court to hear Prop 8 case March 5
02.04.2009 7:54am EST
(San Francisco, California) The California Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the challenges to Proposition 8 on March 5.
Prop 8 was the ballot measure passed in November that amended the state constitution to ban same-sex marriage in California.The arguments will be made before the same 9-member court that first legalized gay marriages last spring. Some 18,000 same-sex marriages were conducted between June and election day.
Following passage of the proposition, the American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the vote. They were joined by additional suits by the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles.
The lawsuits charge that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the constitution’s core commitment to equality for everyone, by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group – lesbian and gay Californians.
They also say that Proposition 8 improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. The suits say that under the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.
The California Constitution itself sets out two ways to alter the document that sets the most basic rules about how state government works, the groups said in a written brief to the court.
Through the initiative process, voters can make relatively small changes to the constitution. But any measure that would change the underlying principles of the constitution must first be approved by the legislature before being submitted to the voters. That didn’t happen with Proposition 8, and that’s why it’s invalid, the petitioners said.
California Attorney General Jerry Brown is also asking the Court to invalidate Proposition 8 on the ground that certain fundamental rights, including the right to marry, are inalienable and can not be put up for a popular vote.
In a brief submitted to the court Friday, Brown’s office said the measure should be invalidated because it deprives people of the right to marry—an aspect of liberty that the Supreme Court has concluded is guaranteed by the California Constitution.
“Proposition 8 must be invalidated because the amendment process cannot be used to extinguish fundamental constitutional rights without compelling justification,” Brown’s brief said.
Brown argued that in order to invalidate such a fundamental right, the Court “must determine that there is a compelling justification to do so.” But in the marriage cases that the court ruled on earlier this year, striking down the ban on gay marriage “the court found that no such compelling justification exists. Accordingly, Proposition 8 must be stricken,” the brief said.
Moderate denominations, labor and legal groups also have submitted written briefs to the court calling for the proposition to be dropped.
On the other side, Protect Marriage Coalition, the umbrella group that put Prop 8 on the ballot, argues in its brief to the court that the will of the people must be respected by the court and that the measure also invalidated those marriages performed prior to the vote.
The coalition has hired Ken Starr who led the inquiry into President Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica L. Lewinsky, to argue its case before the high court.
The Supreme Court justices will have to determine three main issues: Is Prop 8 invalid because it constitutes a revision of, rather than an amendment to, the California Constitution; Does it violate the separation of powers doctrine under the California Constitution; and if it is legal, what is the status of the 18,000 marriages that were performed last year.
After the court hears the legal arguments it will be several months before a decision is issued.




Won’t some kind person help Ana find a place to stick her bible along with her moronic hypocrisy?
married person, I think you’re confusing the previous illegitimate Supreme Court decision which was barely squeaked by in favor of the homosexual activist agenda, to the pro Prop 8 vote by the people of California which undid such a tyrannical ruling by the court.
No one is infringing on your rights. You can go to your bars and clubs and live out your behaviors.
But we the people have the right to protect our institutions which safeguard the future and morality of our society. You ask for tolerance but you practice intolerance against those who wish to uphold family values. I will take solace in knowing that beside all the hate and promotion of un-democratic values that would disrespect the will of the people of California, the cooler heads of some amongst you activists always prevail after all the steam has been blown off and that the people of California will let the judges know that they’ll be paying attention to their vote and they themselves will vote accordingly on 2010.
Ana Said: February 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
These judges are subjected to retention votes and two of them come up for re-election at the 2010 general election. We the people have the right to let them know that they will be voted out of their jobs if they become activist judges and override the will of the people of California who voted massively in favor for Prop 8. I know I will do my part to make aware all the California residents I know of this upcoming vote and the proper details.
I would hope that the justices of the Supreme Court of the state of California would decide cases based upon the laws of the state of California and the Constitution of the State of California and not based upon blackmail threats by the radical hate groups of the populace. Things will most certainly have reached a sorry state of affairs when the lives of citizens are “decided upon” based on threats from the right to seek vengeance by threatening the jobs of the justices of the Supreme Court. So instead of deciding this case based upon the law and justice, it should be decided upon the basis of “either the judges do what a bare majority of the voters want or we will vote to replace you with someone that will do what we want when we want and screw the laws and the constitution since our bigotry and hatred is more important than the lives of some of the citizens of the state of California”. Sounds like a good way to run a government to me. Perhaps you might want to stop and think if there might be any instances when you may become the person that some group wants to target for “rights removal” before you jump off into these types of threats.
PS-you can stick your trust and blessings where the sun don’t shine.
52% qualifies as “massively” now?
Gee, I guess by that definition Obama (52.9%) and the Pelosi House Democrats (53%) were elected to office in 2008 by a “landslide.” Activist conservative lawmakers from the Republican Party – a clearly deranged minority – should just shut up and stop trying to override the “will of the people” on terrorism, abortion, gay rights, taxes, and unions. After all, the people voted for a Democratic President and Congress to rule this country.
The California Supreme Court has seven members, not nine.
It depends if the judges are willing to risk the threat of retribution on the part of those who supported Prop 8. Will the judges do what is right for a minority that needs their help, or will they play it safe for themselves and the slight majority? I am cynical and don’t want to get my hopes up with this one.
If its the same court that allowed gay marriage originally in california, the I dont think it will be that hard to get rid of Proposition 8.
I wish to respond to Ana who stated incorrectly that “the people of California who voted massively in favor….” First of all, I would hardly call that massively, it barely squeaked by. Secondly, I still am trying to figure out why people seem to think they should have the right to vote on civil rights of minorities. How would they like it if “the people” voted not to allow certain straight couples to marry for one reason or another. That’s ridiculous. We are all taxpaying citizens and should all have the same rights. No one’s religious beliefs should be forced on anyone else in this great country.
I don’t even know how to feel. Thrilled that the SC is taking this up so quickly. But still stinging from the hurt caused by Prop 8. I have lost family over it (well – it wasn’t much of a loss truth be told) and it gave me the incentive I needed to renounce my LDS membership. However, Prop 8 has stirred something in me…more than disgust or anger…but not quit to hatred, but a strong disenfranchisement for this country that is suppose to protect minorities from the masses, is suppose to value equality, is suppose to separate church/state, is suppose to….yet doesn’t
I don’t know if anyone else picked up from seeing MILK that we are really not that much further in our fight for equality than we were in 1978. I suppose some say that we are more mainstream and visibile, but considering that we are the single minority group that has endured oppression for centuries, we haven’t really made that much headway.
These judges are subjected to retention votes and two of them come up for re-election at the 2010 general election. We the people have the right to let them know that they will be voted out of their jobs if they become activist judges and override the will of the people of California who voted massively in favor for Prop 8. I know I will do my part to make aware all the California residents I know of this upcoming vote and the proper details. Trust, and blessings.
Of course prop 8 will be nullified! Why were civil rights put up for a vote in the year 2008 in America??
Flush, flush; yep all that good “Christian” money down the crapper!
The March 5 hearing on Prop 8 can be seen live at http://www.calchannel.com/ starting at 9 am pacific standard time. The hearing will last until noon.
Don
Having been married in June of 2008, I sincerely hope this same court will continue ruling in favor of equality, for ourselves and for those in the future. This is California and the east coast is way ahead of this “progressive” state. We have far more pressing concerns to advance to (AFTER we secure our equality). Best wishes all.
I think there is reason to believe that the supreme court will invalidate prop 8, since it is the identical wording of prop 22, which they already invalidated in May of ‘08. Additionally, there is little authority for the arguments of the H8′ers in case law, and lots of precedent for our side. As usual, it comes down to whether the court will act legally and honestly, or allow itself to be politicized and influenced by wealthy powerful conservatives in the state. We are on very strong legal ground, and very shaky political ground.
I suppose anything is possible, but the idea of “protecting marriage” by invalidating 18,000 marriages is so illogical, that I cannot imagine how the Supreme Court can rule in favor of Prop 8. I would love to see all that Righteous Money go down the toilet.